watch out Rummy

[46zilzal]

November 25th, 2006
Rumsfeld okayed abuses says former U.S. general

MADRID (Reuters) - Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the mistreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, the prison's former U.S. commander said in an interview on Saturday.

Former U.S. Army Brigadier General Janis Karpinski told Spain's El Pais newspaper she had seen a letter apparently signed by Rumsfeld which allowed civilian contractors to use techniques such as sleep deprivation during interrogation.

[bigmack]

Former U.S. Army Brigadier General Janis Karpinski told Spain's El Pais newspaper she had seen a letter apparently signed by Rumsfeld which allowed civilian contractors to use techniques such as sleep deprivation during interrogation.
Sleep deprivation, good gosh what a beast! How bout you giving the finger pointing some rest 46?

[46zilzal]

Karpinski said last week she was ready to testify against Rumsfeld, if a suit filed by civil rights groups in Germany over Abu Ghraib led to a full investigation

OPEN Pandora's box and think the rules don't apply. Result: chaos.

[46zilzal]

"America is conducting a war without any effort at bipartisan consultation on our tactics, on our strategy, and on our goals. We disserve a realistic definition of success for a war that increasingly threatens to become a quagmire."

Zbigniew Brzezinski,
former Carter security advisor

"We know where they are. They're right up here in the area around Tikrit."

Secretary Donald Rumsfeld,
pointing to the exact location of the imaginary WMD

[lsbets]

Karpinski was an incompetant commander who never accepted responsibility for the actions of the soldiers directly under her command. She is a disgrace to all those who have worn the uniform and is not taken seriously by any military folks.

[46zilzal]

Detainees under supervision of military intelligence were at high risk of being subjected to a variety of harsh treatments ranging from insults, threats and humiliations to both physical and psychological coercion, which in some cases was tantamount to torture...

International Committee of the Red Cross
Report on the Treatment of Iraqi Prisoners
February, 2004

[46zilzal]

QUESTION: So I would like to ask you to be up front with the American people, why did you lie to get us into a war that was not necessary, that has caused these kinds of casualties? why?

RUMSFELD: Well, first of all, I haven’t lied. I did not lie then. Colin Powell didn’t lie. He spent weeks and weeks with the Central Intelligence Agency people and prepared a presentation that I know he believed was accurate, and he presented that to the United Nations. the president spent weeks and weeks with the central intelligence people and he went to the american people and made a presentation. i’m not in the intelligence business. they gave the world their honest opinion. it appears that there were not weapons of mass destruction there.

QUESTION: You said you knew where they were.

RUMSFELD: I did not. I said I knew where suspect sites were and –

QUESTION: You said you knew where they were Tikrit, Baghdad, northeast, south, west of there. Those are your words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1FTmuhynaw

[bigmack]

Karpinski was an incompetant commander who never accepted responsibility for the actions of the soldiers directly under her command. She is a disgrace to all those who have worn the uniform and is not taken seriously by any military folks.
Not to mention:
A U.S. government official said Karpinski was accused of shoplifting a cosmetic item from a shop at a domestic Air Force base while she held the rank of colonel. Karpinski did not report her arrest for this misdemeanor on a later background check, the official said.

After seeing her picture I guess I don't blame her for getting as much cometic goods as possible

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/photos/karpinski_janis_cp_5871284.jpg

[46zilzal]

lleged Iraqi Links to al Qaeda
Assertion:
The New York Times, September 27, 2002:
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said today that American intelligence had “bulletproof” evidence of links between Al Qaeda and the government of President Saddam Hussein of Iraq.
Mr. Rumsfeld said that recently declassified intelligence reports about suspected ties between Al Qaeda and the Iraqi government, including the presence of senior members of Al Qaeda in Baghdad in “recent periods,” were “factual” and “exactly accurate."
The Facts:
• No evidence has emerged of Iraqi involvement in the September 11 attacks or of links between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
• Shortly after the September 11th attacks, even the Wall Street Journal noted that “few U.S. officials believe that any real alliance between Iraq and Al-Qaeda ever emerged... The two groups share few aims and have very different motivations...”
• According to the New York Times, intelligence officials from Jordan, Israel and Saudi Arabia do not believe there is any serious Hussein-bin Laden connection.
• Former UNSCOM inspector Scott Ritter says with regard to the alleged Iraq/al Qaeda link: “This one is patently absurd. He has spent the last thirty years declaring war against Islamic fundamentalism, crushing it…. Osama bin Laden has a history of hating Saddam Hussein.” In fact, Ritter thinks a more likely scenario is that if al Qaeda obtained a nuclear device the group would use it against Saddam Hussein.
• The State Department’s own report on terrorism, released in April 2001, stated that Iraq had not attempted an anti-Western attack since 1993.
• “At the Federal Bureau of Investigation, some investigators said they were baffled by the Bush administration’s insistence on a solid link between Iraq and Osama bin Laden’s network. “We’ve been looking at this hard for more than a year and you know what, we just don’t think it’s there,” a government official said…. Mr. Bush asserted in his State of the Union address this week that Iraq was protecting and aiding Qaeda operatives, but American intelligence and law enforcement officials said the evidence was fragmentary and inconclusive… “It’s more than just skepticism,” said one official, describing the feelings of some analysts in the intelligence agencies. “I think there is also a sense of disappointment with the community’s leadership that they are not standing up for them at a time when the intelligence is obviously being politicized.”
• British intelligence also said there was no Iraq al Qaeda link. As reported by the BBC: “There are no current links between the Iraqi regime and the al-Qaeda network, according to an official British intelligence report seen by BBC News. The classified document, written by defense intelligence staff 3 weeks ago, says there has been contact between the 2 in the past… The defense intelligence staff document, seen by BBC defense correspondent Andrew Gilligan, is classified Top Secret and was sent to UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and other senior members of the government. It says al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden views Iraq’s ruling Ba’ath party as running contrary to his religion, calling it an ‘apostate regime’.”
• Greg Thielman, the director of the strategic, proliferation, and military affairs division at the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research until September 2002, says “Based on the terrorism experts I met with during my period of government, I never heard anyone make the claim that there was a significant tie between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.” He added, “The Bush administration…was ‘misleading the public in implying there was a close connection.’
• On August 1, 2003, Deputy Defense Secretary Wolfowitz, was asked on The Laura Ingraham Show when he started to think that Iraq had something to do with the September 11, 2001 attacks. In what was believed to be the first such admission by the Bush administration by that date, Wolfowitz conceded that “I’m not sure even now that perhaps Iraq had something to do with it.”

Let them be exposed with their own words.

[46zilzal]

The Daily show has a whole segment on him and the propaganda Faux throws out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA2Ph07ldns

[GaryG]

The DAILY SHOW?????? :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:

[46zilzal]

The DAILY SHOW??????
It was a SUMMARY of news clips of the fool with interesting commentary

[lsbets]

Not to mention:
A U.S. government official said Karpinski was accused of shoplifting a cosmetic item from a shop at a domestic Air Force base while she held the rank of colonel. Karpinski did not report her arrest for this misdemeanor on a later background check, the official said.

After seeing her picture I guess I don't blame her for getting as much cometic goods as possible

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/photos/karpinski_janis_cp_5871284.jpg

What would be worse torture - sleep deprivation or a date with her?

[bigmack]

What would be worse torture - sleep deprivation or a date with her?
The double wammo would be sleep deprivation as a result of her "friskyness"

[46zilzal]

tomorrow marks the day that this "war" will be longer than WWII I am told

[PaceAdvantage]

tomorrow marks the day that this "war" will be longer than WWII I am told

you are told? LOL

More like an extra l and one less d

[46zilzal]

Tomorrow marks the day that we will have been in Iraq longer than we were in all of World War II.

We were able to defeat all of Nazi Germany, Mussolini, and the entire Japanese empire in LESS time than it's taken the world's only superpower to secure the road from the airport to downtown Baghdad.

[PaceAdvantage]

We were able to defeat all of Nazi Germany, Mussolini, and the entire Japanese empire in LESS time than it's taken the world's only superpower to secure the road from the airport to downtown Baghdad.

If you want to know who to blame, look in the mirror.

[lsbets]

The double wammo would be sleep deprivation as a result of her "friskyness"

I hope my wife is tired when I get home tonight, because with the vision you've just placed in my head there's not enough Viagra in the world to counter it. :lol: :lol:

[Tom]

Sleep deprivations, eh.
Anyone out there have a two year old?:D
Get friggin real, 46.

Where was your outrage over head deprevation?

[luv_america]

46, please tell us how much you hate the US.

[46zilzal]

If you want to know who to blame, look in the mirror.
Not supporting the Steelers had no effect on their outcome, JUST the same as supporting or not supporting this stupid war

[PaceAdvantage]

Not supporting the Steelers had no effect on their outcome, JUST the same as supporting or not supporting this stupid war

Not talking about you personally, per se, but those of your ilk, especially those that occupy positions of power in the US media.

[skate]

Sleep deprivations, eh.
Anyone out there have a two year old?:D
Get friggin real, 46.

Where was your outrage over head deprevation?

man oh man, i wasn't gonna comment, but...

:lol: that is funny

and in simpathy, id like to give 45.... another look.....at frig..... Reality.

i really think i'm catching on, must be that 45 sleeps so much and with a little deprevation he'd appear to himself to be losing his head.

it does get frightening, when you think , others are out there.

[JPinMaryland]

Did you ever think that the gov't set Karpinski up for this job because they had the goods on her for the shoplifting incident? Think about it, it happend at an air force base, is that right? And the govt doesnt know about this, huh? Yeah right. Some people will believe anything their gov't tells them.

[46zilzal]

read what the Rand corporation says about the "terrorists"
http://www.rand.org/commentary/013005PPG.html

[skate]

karpinski is just some dab of icing on the cake.

you got a war going on and a prison camp.

the terror boys (violence, oppress, intimidate, fear) get the sympathy. i understand, that unintentionally others get hurt , happens every day right here in the good old USA, and in OUR prison camps ( so what, its life).

opposite the terror boys we have OUR SIDE (some of us) and they get the negative petty crap handed to them.