View Full Version : WEBB By 8000 in Virginia. Democrats take Senate.
51-49 balance in the Senate. Cheney's vote meaningless.
Democrats take both House's
JPinMaryland
11-08-2006, 02:50 PM
I think its more like 50-49-1. Lieberman has announced he will vote with the DEMs. And that leaves guy from VT, I think, as one indep.
SilverSow
11-08-2006, 03:00 PM
The guy from VT is Bernie Sanders, the hero of a whole lotta people who work for the same place I do... actually fought against the pension nonsense that got pushed through... I think the initial 51-49 estimate is more accurate.
Dave
rastajenk
11-08-2006, 05:07 PM
I thought Bernie was in da House. Jeffords is the Senate indie.
the_fat_man
11-08-2006, 05:07 PM
Not yet.
I find myself in the odd position of agreeing with Tom:bang:
Even if Webb has more votes, there will be a protracted recount (since the advantage will not exceed 1%) .
Not that this will help Allen (from what they're saying about last year's recount --which took till the end of December)
but it will delay things till the end of the year
so we savor it a bit :cool:
Actually, I thinnk should waive the rules and swear them all in by Thanksgiving.
Let's let the will of the people get started right away.
We should have all the troops home well before Christmas.
SilverSow
11-08-2006, 05:40 PM
Sanders got elected to the Senate this year. I think Jeffords retired...
Dave
kenwoodallpromos
11-08-2006, 06:49 PM
Chenmey will be gone soon. Went hunting on election day, did not know Bush fired Rummy, "full speed ahead in Iraq", Demos wil investigated thew hell out of Cheney's company, Haliburton= he's gone soon enough for the epub Senate to confirm someone else (Rice) prior to the Demo's taking over in Jan. The Va thing may also give Repubs time to install new blood under Bush.
New blood for Bush? Not unless he's Dracula. This guy is dead.
Dead man walking.
Jim Webb, not exactly a conservative dem....
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009246
"The most important--and unfortunately the least debated--issue in politics today is our society's steady drift toward a class-based system, the likes of which we have not seen since the 19th century. America's top tier has grown infinitely richer and more removed over the past 25 years. It is not unfair to say that they are literally living in a different country. Few among them send their children to public schools; fewer still send their loved ones to fight our wars. They own most of our stocks, making the stock market an unreliable indicator of the economic health of working people. The top 1% now takes in an astounding 16% of national income, up from 8% in 1980. The tax codes protect them, just as they protect corporate America, through a vast system of loopholes."
2006
We had 18 Democratic seats to defend, including in red and purple places like Florida, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Nebraska, North Dakota, and West Virginia. Republicans had only 15 seats to defend, and were only defending Blue states in Rhode Island, Maine, and Pennsylvania.
In any case, 2008 looks far, far different. If all goes well, we should be lining up for an absolute slaughter of the GOP. In two years, Republicans will be defending 21 seats, to 12 of our own. A large number of those Republicans will be freshmen.
Not that we'll need it, but the Senate will be Veto Proof if 2006 trend continues.
delayjf
11-15-2006, 12:46 PM
While I agree with him on some issues with regards to Globalization and its affects on the US economy. The rest smacks of socialism.
Many of the worlds' leading economies have evolved into a mixture of both capitalism and socialism. So?
Unregulated capitalism suffers from lack of social conscience. Pure socialism dampens individual initiative. Social security, unions, and common wealth laws were not around when the original steam engine and railroad tycoons were abusing children, their labor force,and killing and injuring workers with hardly a second thought. And I might add accumulating fortunes. It wasn't Adam Smiths' "invisible hand" that constructed laws in reaction to unbridled greed. A larger "invisible hand" pushed back, and reprimanded the rampant greed. I would argue in fact, that the pendulum swung too far left into Marxism. Then with the failure of communism, swung back to the re-emergence of neo-liberalism.
Now we got guys like Webb. Hopefully a balance has been struck
Suff, I am hopeful that 2008 will solidify the removal of the neocons, along with their disastrous "yeehaw" foreign policy. And for six years, gee, a mind numbing 6 years, all we heard from the righties was the WHY's and reasons democrats always loose elections. Six long years of bragging and hyperbole. As this columist wrote.
Time For A Big Ol' Cup Of 'Shut The F*** Up
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/time-for-a-big-ol-cup-of_b_33857.html
" So at the risk of sounding contentious in this all-too-genuine era (several days) of bipartisanship, here now is a roll call of people who must officially shut the f*** up.
1) Republican trolls who wrap up their anonymous and incomprehensible criticisms of progressives with the phrase, "and that's why your party never wins," need to shut the f*** up.
2) The cowards who so easily disregard our liberties by shrugging off the president's illegal wiretapping; the cowards who shrug off the Military Commissions Act and the death of habeas corpus; and the cowards who shrug off torture with the phrases, "I'm not doing anything wrong, so I have nothing to worry about," or, "You can't [blank] if you're dead," ought to shut the f*** up.
3) Anyone who still believes that global warming is a myth? Shut the f*** up.
4) Rush Limbaugh must shut the f*** up. On second thought, strike that. The more we see Violet Beauregard flapping his arms and mocking Parkinson's patients, the better off the rest of the nation will be.
5) In Ann Coulter's latest column, he wondered when the Democrats would be fitting Senator-Elect Jon Tester with a "leotard." Speaking of tards, Mr. Coulter needs to shut the f*** up. And this order stands for anyone who claims Senator-Elect Tester is a "conservative Democrat." He could very well be the face of the New Progressive Democrat and one of the most genuine lawmakers elected Tuesday. Prediction: if he isn't already, Tester will quickly become a rock star in this party.
6) I think it was Bill Maher who mentioned this but it stands repeating here: neocons who have made multiple rosy predictions about Iraq need to shut the f*** up and are forthwith banned from making any more predictions.
7) Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and other homophobes who use the "San Francisco Liberal" label for Speaker-Elect Pelosi must... you know. We all understand that it's right-wing code language meaning "homo-values." If that's what you mean, just say it. That is, unless you're not man enough.
8) If you still believe that Karl Rove is a genius, wizard, architect or anything short of overrated, you must shut the f*** up. One popular vote loss, one win, one near loss to a disorganized opponent and one outright loss means one thing and one thing only: mediocrity. Racking up this kind of record by means of dirty tricks, race-baiting and questioning the patriotism of decorated war veterans makes Rove a mediocre hack at best.
9) Ed Gillespie, the man who's just a neck with a mouth, is officially ordered for the last time to shut the f*** up.
10) The devilish wordsmiths who think it's strategic and clever to refer to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat Party" need to stop it. Shut the f*** up. The official name of the party is the Democratic Party, with the "ic" at the end. Yeah, I know. Newt Gingrich and Frank Luntz invented the idea of saying "Democrat Party" or "the Democrat leadership" or "the Democrat voters" in order to emphasize the "rat" syllable, leaving a rat-like subliminal hint in the minds of listeners. President Bush, in his so-called "conciliatory" press conference Wednesday, used this incorrect pronunciation several times.
JustRalph
11-15-2006, 02:52 PM
Bob Cesca? You are kidding right? Can you find somebody more anti-american? Strike that question...........I don't want you to hurt yourself.
I say old Bob should take some of his own advice. And maybe you too......HCAP.......you just told a whole bunch of people on this board to Shut the F*ck up. You can put any kind of veil on it you like. But that was your intent. Say whatever you want. You would be out of here if it was my board. You wouldn't say that to me in person, and if you did you might find yourself on the backend of a good ole fashion ass kicking. So don't log on and use that keyboard and a quote from Huffington as your own special way to tell somebody to "shut the f#ck up. We know who and what your are. You don't deserve the same privileges that the others on the board have. You just forfeited them in my book.
Cesca hits repug head nail on. Being anti-republican is not synonomous with anti -american
Hey Ralph, why don't you tell us again why the poor poor democrats can't win elections? And why they will never win again. How many man hours did you devote to posts galore on that very topic? I bet you and the rest of the "bushmen" Lefty,Tom, Ls, Pa, etc., , could have replaced those infinite number of monkees (fer sure Tom ) typing on those infinite numbers of typewriters, never getting one correct sonnet. Well guess what-- you guys can't do shakespeare and it is abundantly obvious, you can't do political prognostication.
It is time for some of Bob Cesca' you know what :bang:
Bob Cesca? You are kidding right? Can you find somebody more anti-american? Strike that question...........I don't want you to hurt yourself.
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yea, its an article. From one of the more read Political Bloggers at Huffington Post. That's fairly mainstream. I don't see why that would get your goat?
I think its important to remember how vicious the tone was over the last 5 years here. People said very hateful things about Democrats. At times it was so one sided , that if it was a prize fight, it would of been stopped.
I personally remember the abuse I took when I said "I'm a big time Liberal".
Essentially , many people here told me that there was no place in America for people with my beliefs. So I think a STFU is mild in comparison. Although it was in the article....
JustRalph
11-15-2006, 03:53 PM
have you ever seen the movie Cesca made after 9-11? I have seen some of it. I didn't care for the rest.
Btw, you won one election. And it really didn't mean that much. You guys are acting like you took over the world. You have a slight majority. Get over yourselves. Btw, HCAP I still don't appreciate your post. From Cesca or whomever.
Suff, the fact that you think Cesca is mainstream, is a problem in itself. I find him way left and out of touch.
lsbets
11-15-2006, 04:02 PM
Hcap, you kind of sound like a guy who's never won anything before in his life.
Remember all the snide remarks leveled at me Sec, ljb, Suff and others, for daring to bring up what you considered only "bad news from Iraq. And how we were aiding and abetting the enemy by posting an opposing viewpoint? Weren't you and the other "bushmen" telling us just what Cesca is telling the losing repugs. All you left out was the f word. (You could have starred out the u and c )
As though I was somehow hiding my feelings? Give me a break. Actually your and your buddies remarks were not "veiled" as you imply mine were. If you think I deserve being banned for quoting an article giving your side a comeuppance, start a poll. And if you think I deserve a "good ole fashion ass kicking" for quoting an article giving you a well written comeuppance all I can say is sorry, but quoting what Cesca said was worth being ass kicked.
We accepted similar taunts from your side for years.
Ralph, you and your guys lost. Grow up.
I have not said very much after the election
Gave it to luv_america once or twice, but had to chime in about Webb.
Actually the dems won many elections before 1994. Gingrich ushered in the "contract", and the dems just took it back. Six years of bush is enough for me, and evidently the populace. It is more than a slight majority. Remember the governors and state houses. I think bushs' coatails were toxic
Ralph, I see I offended you personally. It was not my intention Please accept my apology I would never tell you or anybody here to really shut the f*** up
nor would I expect anyone to do so-just had to get in a few digs.
Bottom line, the 5 horsemen - is there any group of 5 anywhere as insignificant and off base as these nuts? One-dimensional robots unable to see that nothing exists in a vacuum, that things relate to each other.
"Bush bad!" That is the depth of their understanding.
Should be interesting to watch how they spin failure after failure the next two years.
PaceAdvantage
11-16-2006, 01:08 AM
Hey Ralph, why don't you tell us again why the poor poor democrats can't win elections? And why they will never win again. How many man hours did you devote to posts galore on that very topic? I bet you and the rest of the "bushmen" Lefty,Tom, Ls, Pa, etc., , could have replaced those infinite number of monkees (fer sure Tom ) typing on those infinite numbers of typewriters, never getting one correct sonnet. Well guess what-- you guys can't do shakespeare and it is abundantly obvious, you can't do political prognostication.
God, do you realize what a freakin' hypocrite you are? Jesus man, get over yourself already.
Everything you just typed above could EASILY be said about YOU and the rest of the far left that has posted on this board for the last SIX+ YEARS.
What a sad display from both YOU and whatever CRUDE SOB it was you chose to QUOTE from on my board (btw, do YOU HAVE PERMISSION TO DUPLICATE SO MUCH COPYRIGHTED CONTENT??????).
Our country is in MAJOR TROUBLE if this is the best you have to offer over the next two years.
Is this what happens when you win an election and you don't have any substance to offer the country? You guys are winging it currently, aren't you? Good luck. For the sake of our country, I hope you have something better than this for the future....
JustRalph
11-16-2006, 01:45 AM
Ralph, I see I offended you personally. It was not my intention Please accept my apology I would never tell you or anybody here to really shut the f*** up nor would I expect anyone to do so-just had to get in a few digs.
Since the election Repubs have been referred to as "Scumbags-Sons of Bitches" and now told to "shut the F@ck up" all on this board. I don't remember that kind of talk ever before. Interesting dialogue brought out by this glorious win. I just don't think we should talk to each other any differently on the board than we would in person. It does kind of make this board different than most others. We can get pretty rough sometimes and I know it. But this stuff is a little nastier I think. I think this falls into the Soprano's area and not the NYPD standards............
JRBtw, you won one election. And it really didn't mean that much. You guys are acting like you took over the world. You have a slight majority. Get over yourselves.Need I remind you and all the other bushmen just how full of yourselves you guys were after bush won in 04 by 51% of the pop vote?
From http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/11/15/214418/80
Big Picture
Democrats won six Governorships, and lost none, moving from a deficit of 28-22 to an advantage of 28-22. The gains came in Arkansas, Colorado, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, and Ohio.
In state legislative bodies, Democrats control 56 chambers, Republicans control 40. Two, the Montana House (previously tied) and the Pennsylvania House (previously Republican controlled) are undecided. Democrats took nine legislative chambers, and lost none. The gains came in Indiana (House), Iowa (House and Senate), Michigan (House), Minnesota (House), New Hampshire (House and Senate), Oregon (House), and Wisconsin (Senate). The Iowa Senate was previously tied, and the Oklahoma Senate, previously controlled by Democrats, is also now tied. I believe, however, that the tie in the Oklahoma Senate goes to Democrats, because we have the Governorship there.
Democrats control 3,964 state legislature seats, and Republicans control 3,307. I do not know how many are controlled by third parties, or are currently undecided. Democrats also have a non-southern majority in state legislature seats for the first time in many years.
And here's a great advantage not mentioned by Chris: historically the party that controls the most governorships has the advantage in Presidential elections. If you want to think about it in terms of electoral votes, Democratic governors are in place in states that combined will have 295 electoral votes, up from 126.
What this mini-brained troll doesnt understand is that winning is not the END, it is the beginning. no you have to perofrm, not sit back and throw our insults and threaten everyone with revengge. Suff, you listnening too?
For all the crap you guys posted abpout Bush, at least he tried, maybe the result were no tthe best, but he tried, YOU guys are already in the dumper. You have no plan, no startegy, no ideas what to do, and it shows. I would rather follow the wrong guy with the wrong plan than be led to slaughter by the guy with nothing - and that word describes the dems very nicely - nothings.
BTW, a week and a half after the elect, not one of you chicken littles who were all in a tzzy about the horrible voting machines and how our democracy was threatened by them. And the repubs has accepted defeat in VERY close elctions, no whinning, crying, law suits like you guys did the last two elections.
It just shows what class is - something you guys will never have. The closest you will ever come to it is GUSTO!
10 days is all, and you guys have already come up empty. Like I dind't see it coming. :kiss::lol:
Tom,
You did follow the "wrong guy". You got your wish.
Revenge? If holding the criminals who lied us into war accountable, your goddam right.
At least he tried? Meaningless.
No plan? no strategy? The new congress is over a month away. Plans so far are far as I can read is not to kiss ass re: your glorious leeeeduuuur.
You lost, stop whining.
delayjf
11-17-2006, 12:13 PM
No plan? no strategy? The new congress is over a month away. Plans so far are far as I can read is not to kiss ass
Here's the plan:
Along with liberal left Western Europe your plan is to undermine the US will to respond to any future terrorist threats.
PaceAdvantage
11-18-2006, 12:48 AM
Tom,
You did follow the "wrong guy". You got your wish.
Revenge? If holding the criminals who lied us into war accountable, your goddam right.
At least he tried? Meaningless.
No plan? no strategy? The new congress is over a month away. Plans so far are far as I can read is not to kiss ass re: your glorious leeeeduuuur.
You lost, stop whining.
Signs of a long suffering inferiority complex. Nobody is whining you donk.
Frustration, even in victory......gotta love it. Not sure what to do when didn't lose - like a perch out of water! No, like the Clampets in the fancy eatin' room! :lol:
"Nancy, pass me a bill."
"Where do they keep them?"
spilparc
11-18-2006, 11:05 AM
Jim Webb, not exactly a conservative dem....
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009246
"The most important--and unfortunately the least debated--issue in politics today is our society's steady drift toward a class-based system, the likes of which we have not seen since the 19th century. America's top tier has grown infinitely richer and more removed over the past 25 years. It is not unfair to say that they are literally living in a different country. Few among them send their children to public schools; fewer still send their loved ones to fight our wars. They own most of our stocks, making the stock market an unreliable indicator of the economic health of working people. The top 1% now takes in an astounding 16% of national income, up from 8% in 1980. The tax codes protect them, just as they protect corporate America, through a vast system of loopholes."
So. If it wasn't for the top 1%, there wouldn't be a "bottom" 99%.
I strive to be in the top 1%. If I don't make it fine, things are "OK" right where I'm at.
The socialist society you seem to cherish doesn't work. It's never worked. If it has please point me to a country, society, era where it has.
"A man shall cleave unto his wife. Be ye therefore fruitful and multiply."
God or somebody said that.
How does his wife's clevage fit into this???:eek:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/011314.php
" At a private reception held at the White House with newly elected lawmakers shortly after the election, Bush asked Webb how his son, a Marine lance corporal serving in Iraq, was doing.
Webb responded that he really wanted to see his son brought back home, said a person who heard about the exchange from Webb.
“I didn’t ask you that, I asked how he’s doing,” Bush retorted, according to the source.
Webb confessed that he was so angered by this that he was tempted to slug the commander-in-chief, reported the source, but of course didn’t. It’s safe to say, however, that Bush and Webb won’t be taking any overseas trips together anytime soon."
Hope Webb dosn't go on a hunting trip with cheney either
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