Players Pool BC Pick 6

[rrbauer]

I didn't see any posts on this and I thought they were going to put in a play.

Anyone know how they did?

[hbeck]

A Big Zero...


Players' Pool Pick 6 Tickethttps://www.americatab.com/images/printer_transp.gif Print (javascript:void(0);)Breeders' Cup World Championships -- Saturday, November 4, 2006, Churchill Downs

AmericaTab Players' Pool -- TOTAL POOL: $ 75,188

The Ultra Pick 6 begins with Race #5 at 1:55 p.m. ET.

TICKET ONE
(2), 5, 7 with WINNER: (2) OUIJA BOARD - WIN PAYOUT: $4.80
(1), 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14 with WINNER: (1) THOR'S ECHO - WIN PAYOUT: $33.20
1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, (10), 12, 13, 14 with WINNER: (10) MIESQUE'S APPROVAL - WIN PAYOUT $50.60
2, 6, 7, 9, 10, 13 with WINNER: (1) ROUND POND - WIN PAYOUT: $29.80
1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 10 with WINNER: (9) RED ROCKS - WIN PAYOUT: $23.60
3, (11) WINNER: (11) INVASOR - WIN PAYOUT: $15.40

TICKET COST: $57,024

TICKET TWO
(2), 3, 4, 9, 10 with WINNER: (2) OUIJA BOARD - WIN PAYOUT: $4.80
4, 6, 9, 13 with WINNER: (1) THOR'S ECHO - WIN PAYOUT: $33.20
1, 3, 4, 6, 7, (10), 12 with WINNER: (10) MIESQUE'S APPROVAL - WIN PAYOUT $50.60
2, 6, 7, 9, 13 with WINNER: (1) ROUND POND - WIN PAYOUT: $29.80
1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 10 with WINNER: (9) RED ROCKS - WIN PAYOUT: $23.60
3 WINNER: (11) INVASOR - WIN PAYOUT: $15.40


TICKET COST: $8,400

TICKET THREE
(2) with WINNER: (2) OUIJA BOARD - WIN PAYOUT: $4.80
(1), 2, 4, 6, 9, 10, 11, 13 with WINNER: (1) THOR'S ECHO - WIN PAYOUT: $33.20
1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, (10), 12 with WINNER: (10) MIESQUE'S APPROVAL - WIN PAYOUT $50.60
2, 6, 7, 9, 13 with WINNER: (1) ROUND POND - WIN PAYOUT: $29.80
(1), 2, 4, 6, 7, 10 with WINNER: (9) RED ROCKS - WIN PAYOUT: $23.60
7, 8 WINNER: (11) INVASOR - WIN PAYOUT: $15.40


TICKET COST: $8,640

TICKET FOUR
(2) with WINNER: (2) OUIJA BOARD - WIN PAYOUT: $4.80
4, 6, 9 with WINNER: (1) THOR'S ECHO - WIN PAYOUT: $33.20
3, 6, 7, (10), 12 with WINNER: (10) MIESQUE'S APPROVAL - WIN PAYOUT $50.60
(1), 2, 14 with WINNER: (1) ROUND POND - WIN PAYOUT: $29.80
4, 6, 10 with WINNER: (9) RED ROCKS - WIN PAYOUT: $23.60
3, (11) WINNER: (11) INVASOR - WIN PAYOUT: $15.40


TICKET COST: $540

TICKET FIVE
(2), 7 with WINNER: (2) OUIJA BOARD - WIN PAYOUT: $4.80
4, 6, 9, 13 with WINNER: (1) THOR'S ECHO - WIN PAYOUT: $33.20
3, 6, 7, (10), 12 with WINNER: (10) MIESQUE'S APPROVAL - WIN PAYOUT $50.60
2, 6, 7, 9, 10, 13 with WINNER: (1) ROUND POND - WIN PAYOUT: $29.80
9 with WINNER: (9) RED ROCKS - WIN PAYOUT: $23.60
3 WINNER: (11) INVASOR - WIN PAYOUT: $15.40


TICKET COST: $480

TICKET SIX
(2) with WINNER: (2) OUIJA BOARD - WIN PAYOUT: $4.80
2, 5, 7, 10, 13 with WINNER: (1) THOR'S ECHO - WIN PAYOUT: $33.20
3, 7 with WINNER: (10) MIESQUE'S APPROVAL - WIN PAYOUT $50.60
7 with WINNER: (1) ROUND POND - WIN PAYOUT: $29.80
4, 6 with WINNER: (9) RED ROCKS - WIN PAYOUT: $23.60
3, (11) WINNER: (11) INVASOR - WIN PAYOUT: $15.40


TICKET COST: $80

TICKET SEVEN
1, (2), 4, 6, 7, 8 with WINNER: (2) OUIJA BOARD - WIN PAYOUT: $4.80
4 with WINNER: (1) THOR'S ECHO - WIN PAYOUT: $33.20
7 with WINNER: (10) MIESQUE'S APPROVAL - WIN PAYOUT $50.60
7 with WINNER: (1) ROUND POND - WIN PAYOUT: $29.80
6, 7 with WINNER: (9) RED ROCKS - WIN PAYOUT: $23.60
3 WINNER: (11) INVASOR - WIN PAYOUT: $15.40


TICKET COST: $24

[blind squirrel]

The "WIZARD" went 0 for the BREEDERS CUP,he even put an
apology on the BRIS site.......oh well.

[rrbauer]

Hey! Beyer had Ouija Board but he had to use 2 in that race!

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do?NID=80166&subs=0&arc=1

[parlay]

There is a guy crying in another thread that he blew $460
cause he wouldn't pony up $660 to cover his pick4!
After the fact its easy.
Regardless, BRIS should be very embarrased.
57k ticket 3 winners
$540 ticket 4 winners, their best result.
I'm not sure i could have covered Thor
without using the all button. Didn't play.
I confident enough in my own ability
to totally screw up :D

[chickenhead]

There is a guy crying in another thread that he blew $460
cause he wouldn't pony up $660 to cover his pick4!

What I'm really curious about is why there is a guy in this thread talking about me in that thread? why don't you keep your comments about me, whatever they may be, in my thread.

[the little guy]

I know one of the winner's of the Pick-6. I think they put in $38K.

[leonid]

TICKET TWO
(2), 3, 4, 9, 10 with WINNER: (2) OUIJA BOARD - WIN PAYOUT: $4.80
4, 6, 9, 13 with WINNER: (1) THOR'S ECHO - WIN PAYOUT: $33.20
1, 3, 4, 6, 7, (10), 12 with WINNER: (10) MIESQUE'S APPROVAL - WIN PAYOUT $50.60
2, 6, 7, 9, 13 with WINNER: (1) ROUND POND - WIN PAYOUT: $29.80
1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 10 with WINNER: (9) RED ROCKS - WIN PAYOUT: $23.60
3 WINNER: (11) INVASOR - WIN PAYOUT: $15.40

LOOK AGAIN ON THIS TICKET THEY GOT BACK $45,000 AS A CONSOLATION

[rrpic6]

Another head scratcher in the Ultra Pick 6. Congrats to the 2 winners out there.
Our BRIS picks could only come up with 4 of 6 on our big ticket. There was a pronounced inside bias on the dirt races on Friday and Saturday. I had upgraded Thor's Echo earlier in the day, but was doubtful on Round Pond. After the 2 Juvenile races, which were won from the 1 hole, Dreaming of Anna and Street Sense, I became very nervous about not including Round Pond. The tickets were bet thru the Winticket hub in Columbus, via Oregon, so logistically its tough to make last minute, and I mean LAST MINUTE, changes when going thru this system. Since I was on track at Louisville, my observations of an inside bias led to a severe uneasiness. When Pine Island broke down and Fleet Indian pulled up, the uneasiness turned to sickness as it became very possible that Round Pond had a great chance to win, which of course happened.
My own tri ticket had both PI and FI on top with Round Pond second. My exactas were in reverse. Hitting the tri and ex a few times in the Classic, along with the ex in the Sprint made it a wash for me on the day.

[rrpic6]

Parlay and Leonid:


It was a long weekend we had 4 of 6, not 3, and not 5.

RR

[leonid]

YOU GUYS ARE A DISGRACE AND EMBARRASMENT, FOR TWO YEARS RUNNING YOU HAVE BET OVER $150,000 TRYING TO HIT THE ULTRA PICK 6.

YOUR TICKETS ARE A JOKE!

[rrpic6]

YOU GUYS ARE A DISGRACE AND EMBARRASMENT, FOR TWO YEARS RUNNING YOU HAVE BET OVER $150,000 TRYING TO HIT THE ULTRA PICK 6.

YOUR TICKETS ARE A JOKE!

Again you're math is off. We've done it for 3 years. 2004, 5 0f 6 five times for 250K, no 6 of 6 winners nationwide. 2005, 4 0f 6, again no winners nationwide. 2006, 4 of 6, this time 2 winners nationwide. In three years, there have been only 2 tickets that have had all 6 winners. Since 1999, I think there has been only four 6 of 6 tickets. There could have been another when those guys messed up by playing a $12 ticket instead of a $2 one at Arlington "Pick Fix". I really don't feel disgraced or embarrassed. There were a total of 3,923,920 possible combinations in this years' Pick 6. Our big ticket used 28,512 combinations, which is about .006% of the total possible plays. The success rate of hitting Pick 6's is quite low, yet the big payoff is the lure for all. I'm happy for whoever won, and wish it could have been us. Good Luck to you in your future attempts at betting the Pick 6.

[blind squirrel]

Again you're math is off. We've done it for 3 years. 2004, 5 0f 6 five times for 250K, no 6 of 6 winners nationwide. 2005, 4 0f 6, again no winners nationwide. 2006, 4 of 6, this time 2 winners nationwide. In three years, there have been only 2 tickets that have had all 6 winners. Since 1999, I think there has been only four 6 of 6 tickets. There could have been another when those guys messed up by playing a $12 ticket instead of a $2 one at Arlington "Pick Fix". I really don't feel disgraced or embarrassed. There were a total of 3,923,920 possible combinations in this years' Pick 6. Our big ticket used 28,512 combinations, which is about .006% of the total possible plays. The success rate of hitting Pick 6's is quite low, yet the big payoff is the lure for all. I'm happy for whoever won, and wish it could have been us. Good Luck to you in your future attempts at betting the Pick 6.

i'll give you credit for coming in and "taking the heat",it's easy to show up
when we've won.

[rrpic6]

i'll give you credit for coming in and "taking the heat",it's easy to show up
when we've won.

Thanks squirrel:
I new it would happen here. This is how I 1st found out about this forum, from a lot of people bitching about me!!

[PaceAdvantage]

Thanks squirrel:
I new it would happen here. This is how I 1st found out about this forum, from a lot of people bitching about me!!

Oh please, spare me....one guy with a grand total of NINE posts to his name goes off on you, and you are about to condemn an entire board of decent folks.

"I knew it would happen here....."

Whatever....

[rrpic6]

Oh please, spare me....one guy with a grand total of NINE posts to his name goes off on you, and you are about to condemn an entire board of decent folks.

"I knew it would happen here....."

Whatever....

Lighten up there PA, save your dislike for off-topic. I'm speaking the truth when I say that is how I found this forum. It was actually a compliment, not a condemnation of any member, even a newbie, of your little playground. I even made mention on my ride back from Louisville, that I wondered who'd be po'd on PA about not winning $$ on the Pick6. My replies are upfront, as I am happy to share what goes on in making Pick 6 tickets.

[PaceAdvantage]

I am light, and this has nothing to do with off-topic (you certainly hold onto things....when was the last time you and I mixed it up in off-topic?)

In any event....whatever....

[WJ47]

I kind of like the Players Pool Pick 6. It's grown on me. I do all my betting with Bris and its only $10. :) It was exciting when there was 3 in a row winners, and 2 of them were huge prices. I got money back a couple of times. It could have been a huge hit. I play only small pick 6 tickets myself (lol, like $20ish), so its just another fun thing to do on the big race days. But I also like those BRIS buy in handicapping contests occasionally, although I always finish in last place!

[rrpic6]

I am light, and this has nothing to do with off-topic (you certainly hold onto things....when was the last time you and I mixed it up in off-topic?)

In any event....whatever....

Since you see my quote of "I knew it would happen here" as a condemnation of all good people here, I have to wonder where you came to that conclusion? As stated, I made mention earlier in the day on my ride home from the BC, if any people on PA would be po'd or irate or upset or ...Whatever. Leonid expressed his dismay, so hence..."I knew it would happen here" was correct. This place has saavy, passionate, racing fans, and I assumed others, beside myself, would be upset, a little bit, for not winning. Whatever..back to you.

[BillW]

It could have been a huge hit.

I hate to bust your bubble but the hit can't be too big. This year if the bris ticket hit it would have paid about $930,000. For a $75,000 ticket that would be about 11:1 Or $120 for your $10 play. Take the withholding from that and you have less than $100 in your pocket. A win bet in a lot of those races could have returned more. It's simply a tool to boost AmericaTAB's handle which it does a fairly good job of.

Bill

[WJ47]

I hate to bust your bubble but the hit can't be too big. This year if the bris ticket hit it would have paid about $930,000. For a $75,000 ticket that would be about 11:1 Or $120 for your $10 play. Take the withholding from that and you have less than $100 in your pocket. A win bet in a lot of those races could have returned more. It's simply a tool to boost AmericaTAB's handle which it does a fairly good job of.

Bill

I know. :) One of the wins only got me $45 for my $10 and I had to declare it on my taxes with the 1099 form. I know I wouldn't get tons of money for a hit. It's just kind of a fun thing that I like to do, like those crazy $10 entries with NYRA where you have to pick a horse to show everyday to avoid elimination. I don't play it everytime, just now and then.

[Indulto]

Since you see my quote of "I knew it would happen here" as a condemnation of all good people here, I have to wonder where you came to that conclusion? As stated, I made mention earlier in the day on my ride home from the BC, if any people on PA would be po'd or irate or upset or ...Whatever. Leonid expressed his dismay, so hence..."I knew it would happen here" was correct. This place has saavy, passionate, racing fans, and I assumed others, beside myself, would be upset, a little bit, for not winning. Whatever..back to you.rrpic6,
Thanks for continuing to post your opinions and insights despite underwhelming support for your participation. You are the only admitted (as far as I know) insider?/celebrity? who answers questions here straightforwardly and without condescension. I am surprised you are even willing to mix it up in off-topic.

Frankly, I am not at all thrilled with the Player’s Pool which I see as just another “whale” to contend with. When you first started posting here, I considered it a ploy to defend/promote this commercial endeavor. And maybe it was/is, but in the process you have contributed an entertaining and informative perspective, which I, for one, appreciate.

It was a tough card and one that frustrated me non-stop after the first leg of the P6. Each of the subsequent winners was an untossable contender which I played in other than the top slot in vertical exotics except for Thor’s Echo/Bordanero/Siren Lure and Invasor/Premium Tap/Sun King EBX savers. I had Round Pond underneath Balletto, Miesques Approval under four others (after being distracted by his loss to Aussie Rules), and Red Rocks underneath Hurricane Run.

One only has to look at the two pages of DRF selections to see how hard it was to even get 4 of 6. Good luck and keep posting. :ThmbUp:

[leonid]

i have happened to hit 5 of 6 in the breeders cup ticket two years in a row, tickets were $800 and $2400.

the thought of someone spending $75,000 makes my stomach churn.

i will tell you your BIG MISTAKE you didn't have the guts to narrow your ticket and take a stand you used outside posts in the sprint & turf race that had almost zero chance of winning and you then had to shorten your ticket in the round pond race.

[rrpic6]

i have happened to hit 5 of 6 in the breeders cup ticket two years in a row, tickets were $800 and $2400.

the thought of someone spending $75,000 makes my stomach churn.

i will tell you your BIG MISTAKE you didn't have the guts to narrow your ticket and take a stand you used outside posts in the sprint & turf race that had almost zero chance of winning and you then had to shorten your ticket in the round pond race.

Thanks for your input. Unfortuneately, as I have mentioned in the past here, we have to spend all the money that is in the pool on this bet. It seemed to work better when we capped it at 50K for this years' Ky Derby card, in which we got back about 130K. After the pool closes, We then have approximately 2 to 3 hours to do this. There is input from three people that make the ticket. The horses we should have taken a stand on, based on our imput were, Quija Board, Bernardini, and Invasor. Much was infered that QB could have been over the top from such a long campaign, running at CD for the first time, as well as the ever improving 3 year old Wait a While. We added Satwa Queen, another improving filly that ran some huge races overseas, in the hope of knocking out 90% in the 1st leg and hopefully, having a lock on the last leg. Even If Quija Board wins, we then have added 2 more, albeitly huge longshots in our minds, despite low odds, Lava Man and David Junior, in the final leg.

The Juvenile Filly race won by which Dreaming of Anna won on the rail, was a horse I had posted in here as my pick last week. Her having the rail only semed to make it much easier to win.The Juvenile race ran before the 1st leg in which Street Sense won while hugging the rail, certainly made it uneasy not to use Round Pond. But by this time, with 20 minutes to post, the big tickets were made and had to be sent thru the computer systems at WinTicket in Columbus, then their hub in Oregon. This has caused major problems in the past, as their computers have had troubles accepting that large wager. We have come dangerously close to getting shut out in the past. If there was a better way to do this, I would be all for it.

RR

[rrpic6]

Indulto:

Thanks for the kind words. I'm far from an insider/celebrity. My girlfriend and co-workers would laugh at the thought. I had to pay my way to the BC and and was denied Press Credentials, as I'm not a full-time AmericaTab employee or a journalist for any newspaper or magazine. I was contacted by BRIS to help out with their concept, which could have been drummed up for their own business.;)

RR

[Indulto]

Indulto:

Thanks for the kind words. I'm far from an insider/celebrity. My girlfriend and co-workers would laugh at the thought. I had to pay my way to the BC and and was denied Press Credentials, as I'm not a full-time AmericaTab employee or a journalist for any newspaper or magazine. I was contacted by BRIS to help out with their concept, which could have been drummed up for their own business.;)

RRAs Dave Schwartz once told me, "Lol! OK, as you were." ;)

[rrbauer]

TICKET TWO
(2), 3, 4, 9, 10 with WINNER: (2) OUIJA BOARD - WIN PAYOUT: $4.80
4, 6, 9, 13 with WINNER: (1) THOR'S ECHO - WIN PAYOUT: $33.20
1, 3, 4, 6, 7, (10), 12 with WINNER: (10) MIESQUE'S APPROVAL - WIN PAYOUT $50.60
2, 6, 7, 9, 13 with WINNER: (1) ROUND POND - WIN PAYOUT: $29.80
1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 10 with WINNER: (9) RED ROCKS - WIN PAYOUT: $23.60
3 WINNER: (11) INVASOR - WIN PAYOUT: $15.40

LOOK AGAIN ON THIS TICKET THEY GOT BACK $45,000 AS A CONSOLATION

They missed 3 races with this ticket....how does that get them anything more than a story?

[PaceAdvantage]

But by this time, with 20 minutes to post, the big tickets were made and had to be sent thru the computer systems at WinTicket in Columbus, then their hub in Oregon. This has caused major problems in the past, as their computers have had troubles accepting that large wager. We have come dangerously close to getting shut out in the past. If there was a better way to do this, I would be all for it.

RR


Any idea why this would be? Unless these computer systems are running on monkey power and abacasus, I can't fathom how a pick6 ticket, no matter how large, could slow even the least modern of modern computer systems...

I'd be real curious to know what would cause a problem in this day and age....

Perhaps you are talking about some sort of verification process that needs to be made, and that's what slows down the process?

[njcurveball]

TICKET TWO
(2), 3, 4, 9, 10 with WINNER: (2) OUIJA BOARD - WIN PAYOUT: $4.80
4, 6, 9, 13 with WINNER: (1) THOR'S ECHO - WIN PAYOUT: $33.20
1, 3, 4, 6, 7, (10), 12 with WINNER: (10) MIESQUE'S APPROVAL - WIN PAYOUT $50.60
2, 6, 7, 9, 13 with WINNER: (1) ROUND POND - WIN PAYOUT: $29.80
1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 10 with WINNER: (9) RED ROCKS - WIN PAYOUT: $23.60
3 WINNER: (11) INVASOR - WIN PAYOUT: $15.40

LOOK AGAIN ON THIS TICKET THEY GOT BACK $45,000 AS A CONSOLATION

I only counted TWO winners on this ticket. WHERE do I go to cash my ticket with 2 winners? I will take the first $45 for it. ;)

[rrpic6]

Any idea why this would be? Unless these computer systems are running on monkey power and abacasus, I can't fathom how a pick6 ticket, no matter how large, could slow even the least modern of modern computer systems...

I'd be real curious to know what would cause a problem in this day and age....

Perhaps you are talking about some sort of verification process that needs to be made, and that's what slows down the process?

I'm just a self taught computer user, so the actual process would baffle me. However, the Director of Simulcasting at Beulah as well as the top guys at the hub in Oregon were puzzled at some of the problems. It might have been that there was some built in guard on wagers over 20K. Some verification program might have been needed to run....but don't quote me...a PC novice.

[Indulto]

I'm just a self taught computer user, so the actual process would baffle me. However, the Director of Simulcasting at Beulah as well as the top guys at the hub in Oregon were puzzled at some of the problems. It might have been that there was some built in guard on wagers over 20K. Some verification program might have been needed to run....but don't quote me...a PC novice.rrpic6,
Why aren't combinations automatically divided into tickets that don't exceed the verification threshhold AND permit minimal effort to delete or add an entrant to all applicable combinations? I'd be surprised to learn that Moby Pick (Player's Pool) hasn't already programmed a portion of the process along with some verification that pre-wager revisions were implemented correctly.

[rrpic6]

Indulto:

I wish I had an answer for your question but don't. In 2004, when trying to place the wager, I did watch as the bets were made, but rejected. I believe after a few failed attempts, the tickets were eventually broken up into $10,000 increments, and were then accepted. The dry runs at the hub would work, but the actual wagering would not. This happened on more than one occasion and had those in the know very puzzled. Since I was at CD and not at their office this time, I did not ask how smoothly it went. Here's the scoop on the winning tickets.


Betting on the $3 million-guaranteed pick six was $4,786,481. Two winning tickets were sold worth $1,450,707 each before taxes, both through account-wagering operations: XpressBet, which is owned by Magna Entertain Ment Corp., and a telephone betting operation owned by Hinsdale Greyhound Park in New Hampshire. Kirchner said that it was not known where the bettors physically resided, but that one winner used an $8,900 ticket and the other a $38,000 ticket.

"These were real players who were investing a lot of money in trying to hit it," Kirchner said.

During three of the last four years, no single ticket had all six winners. In 2003, one ticket had all six winners.

[rrpic6]

Nice article confirms a lot of what's being discussed in many threads here.

http://www.rogerstein.com/editorial.asp?id=8

[parlay]

Sorry if i offended you. I didn't mean to.
I just said you should be very embarrased.
The pik6 is a daunting wager at the best of times,
but a incredible challenge on cup day.
It is quite possible to be totally wrong on more than 1 race
in the required sequence, thus ripping 57k.
Consolation tickets not withstanding.
I did not bet a nickel into the cup pik6.
I believe it requires spreading fairly wide.
I am not prepared or capable of devoting that much
capital to a horizontal bet.
While i believed QB to be almost a lock i could not imagine
living and dying with even her singled on a 9k ticket.
These are horse races and shit happens.
If Leparoux had been in the irons god knows what would
have happened.
We all take positions when handicapping and sometimes
they are very wrong. Sometimes they are very right but
we are defeated by the incredibly poor ride, the breakdown
or a very unlucky trip.
All in a hard days work.
Psychologically i am more comfortable in vertical situations.

[twindouble]

[QUOTE=parlay]We all take positions when handicapping and sometimes
they are very wrong. Sometimes they are very right but
we are defeated by the incredibly poor ride, the breakdown
or a very unlucky trip.
All in a hard days work.
QUOTE]


I agree parlay, taking that into consideration along with a very tough card it was wise for me to pass on a big investment in the pick 6, thinking there may very well be a carryover. I was two tickets from being right out of a huge number of players, 75,000 at the track alone.

When it came right down to it in my mind I couldn't even feel good about keying in on Bernardini or Henny Hughes, on the latter my gut was he sucked compared to others out of the gate so I figured nothing but trouble him trying to get racing room in a large field, that proved out as well, he got squeezed out at the start and lost all chances.

I wouldn't conceder this red boarding but for what I had open as possibilities it sure as hell wouldn't have taken 50k to take it down. There's no sense in figuring it out because my bankroll wouldn't allow it anyway. My total number of wagers for the day didn't amount to what I would bet on one race at Mountaineer.

The breeders cup is great racing and I wouldn't miss it for anything but it's no excuse to change and risk money you normally wouldn't risk, ESP when your risking other peoples money as well. Trying to be king for a day don't payoff in this game. Anyway, if it wasn't for the breakdowns it would have been an outstanding day for racing.


Good luck,


T.D.

[rrpic6]

Sorry if i offended you. I didn't mean to.
I just said you should be very embarrased.
The pik6 is a daunting wager at the best of times,
but a incredible challenge on cup day.
It is quite possible to be totally wrong on more than 1 race
in the required sequence, thus ripping 57k..

Parlay:

No offense taken. As written before, the process has some flaws and holes, along with 3 people's imput. So I have to stand by the 3 party system until someone gives me 57K to piss away.:eek: We were criticized heavily last year when all 3 Handicappers decided not to use Rock Hard Ten in the sequence. Much like Lava Man this year, he did not seem to be in the right pace senario or distance, yet won and cost us part of 1.2 Million in the Pick 6. The odds are staggering against anyone hitting, as I've also displayed on the thread. The 38K winning ticket this year had also less than a 1 percent chance mathematically of winning. (In a lottery type system of course).
I used to play the pick/place bet in So. Cal quite often as I seemed to get 4 of 6 winners with the other 2 coming in 2nd a lot when playing the Pick 6. I had a few nice hits, even hitting the whole pool, about 34K in 2001, while using only $64. Once that happens, it appears easy, and you can chase that kinda hit for a long time until you go thru the 34K before you know it.

[PriceAnProbability]

Sorry if i offended you. I didn't mean to.
I just said you should be very embarrased.
The pik6 is a daunting wager at the best of times,
but a incredible challenge on cup day.
It is quite possible to be totally wrong on more than 1 race
in the required sequence, thus ripping 57k.
Consolation tickets not withstanding.
I did not bet a nickel into the cup pik6.
I believe it requires spreading fairly wide.
I am not prepared or capable of devoting that much
capital to a horizontal bet.
While i believed QB to be almost a lock i could not imagine
living and dying with even her singled on a 9k ticket.
These are horse races and shit happens.
If Leparoux had been in the irons god knows what would
have happened.
We all take positions when handicapping and sometimes
they are very wrong. Sometimes they are very right but
we are defeated by the incredibly poor ride, the breakdown
or a very unlucky trip.
All in a hard days work.
Psychologically i am more comfortable in vertical situations.

In 1994, we had 5 of 7 on our ticket. One decision kept us away from 6 of 7 that paid about $110,000.

Cost of our ticket? $48

[Light]

rrpic6

I hope you had fun in your pk6 endevour. This isn't meant to be a criticism,cause how the Bris group spends their money is their business,but this is just my observation (redboarding a bit of course)of the BC pk6 if I had that kind of dough to play with.

I think you said they put in $65K? I wouldn't need quite that much. First I'd find the strengths on the ticket. Ouiji Board was the strongest single on the card. This horse was heads and tails above the rest of the group on paper. The last leg was a 2 horses race that ran 1-2. Those were easy to come up with(at least for me). So far your ticket is only $4.

The next easiest leg was the John Deere. I gambled from past BC races that a European would win.I will take the same tactic next year. There were only 3 Europeans. Now your ticket is $12.

These were the obvious. Since the other 3 were not,with the bankroll you got,take em all. 14 horses *14*14=$2744*the $12 would cost $32938.

So my point of illustrating this is dont you think your group would be better served taking a stand in obvious races and "all" in the others?

[rrpic6]

Light:

Ouiji Board was the strongest single on the card. This horse was heads and tails above the rest of the group on paper. The last leg was a 2 horses race that ran 1-2. Those were easy to come up with(at least for me).

Totally agree with your assumptions on who were the strongest horses on paper. I had written my scenario for the Classic on another thread, and it was correct. Too bad I could not forsee the scenarios (would not want to because of the two breakdowns) for the Distaff and Turf. Since Satwa Queen was a Euro, it made sense to use her in an attempt to knock off the Queen of Turf right away. Not using Red Rocks of the Turf did suck, as we used Scorpion, the other Euro. We did this in the Juvenile in 2004 using one Euro and not the other, Wilko who won, which cost us the whole pool. It comes down to one simple word. GAMBLING!


RR

[rrpic6]

Unless these computer systems are running on monkey power and abacasus, I can't fathom how a pick6 ticket, no matter how large, could slow even the least modern of modern computer systems...

I kept thinking of your quote as I watched the Election results last night. I think some states, Ohio and Montana especially, used the monkey power/abacus system to count votes! Apology for going off-topic here.
RR