Ehorsex?

[Cesario!]

Great site...made some nice money betting against certain horses and getting better odds on live longshots. But, having real trouble getting my money out.

Lots of options to deposit from the website...no electronic options to withdrawal except neteller...which currently isn't working. Been dealing with customer service for upwards of an hour.

Anyone have any good experiences getting their money from here? I may just return fully to YouBet, despite the pari-muteul limitations, b/c of issues of security and ability to get my money. It's a shame b/c I love the service.

[bigmack]

It offers real value huh Seth?

Have them FedEx a Cashiers Check

[Cesario!]

I just got it through Neteller. Geez....

I simply love betting against though...great way to target vulnerable favorites in large fields that have very little shot of winning, without much risk. Are there any good exchanges out there that work with US customers?

[betovernetcapper]

I've had it for about 2 weeks and so far it's been great. I've been watching it in conjunction with with ATR & BrisBet and been able to pick up some some real value.

I've only used the bet against feature once and am not really comfortable with it yet.

[Cesario!]

BON,

I agree it's been great -- you should try laying against, just make sure you're prepared for the unexpected (which is why I only bet against low priced favorites). Have you tried to withdraw money yet?

Seth

[betovernetcapper]

No-havn't tried to withdraw yet, but comanies home office is in Ireland, so I'm hoping/assuming they are legit.
I've been looking at betting against but it's a somewhat different mindset. I agree with you about limiting your exposure in laying. Yesterday I bet $1 on Silver Badge at 300-1. I didn't really expect he'd win but for a dollar, why not. If I had laid that $1 and he'd have won, I'd be reaching for the valium bottle. :)

[dav4463]

I have an ehorse account, but I really do not understand the concept of exchange betting. Could somebody explain it or lead me to a website that covers the basics?

[finfan]

I have an ehorse account, but I really do not understand the concept of exchange betting. Could somebody explain it or lead me to a website that covers the basics?

The ehorsex website FAQ's should answer a lot of the basics. Also here is an article that goes into some specific strategies.

http://www.tacticaltrader.com/article/read/22/An-introduction-to-betting-exchanges

[lurker]

Excahge betting is really simple. You can either bet a horse or "book" a horse to lose. You pay a commision on your winning bets or your net winnings for the day depending on the site. Once you get used to the concept of betting agaist a horse it is easy to understand. Ehorse owns ehorsex. My personal favorite spot to play offshore right now is www.CrisRacebook.com. They offer a sign up bonus and rebate up to 8% of your daily handle. And unlike Pinnacle they don't move your bets into the pool, nor do they close the races early.

[PaceAdvantage]

And unlike Pinnacle they don't move your bets into the pool, nor do they close the races early.

How would one know one way or the other whether or not these places are moving your money into the pool? You don't think for one second these guys aren't going to hedge major wagers, if they can?

[classhandicapper]

I've been playing there for a fews week and love it (especially now that Tradesports is out).

[ryesteve]

And unlike Pinnacle they don't move your bets into the pool
But aren't you betting into fixed odds at an exchange anyway? So whether they do or don't, seems like a moot point.

[Pace Cap'n]

How would one know one way or the other whether or not these places are moving your money into the pool? You don't think for one second these guys aren't going to hedge major wagers, if they can?

They are not the ones fading the bet. The players are betting amongst themselves.

[Vigors]

I've been with E-Horse for over 5 years....and EVERY TIME I've wanted to
withdraw any amount, it was Westerned Unioned within 2-3 hours, and I
can pick it up ANYWHERE I can find a place that has W.U.,e.g. 7-11's,
24 hour Wal-mart, etc. they've recently went to MYATMONLINE.com to
get around the Bank-Credit card fiasco...no problems there either...and
E-Horse eats all charges recieving deposits over $250 ( and has eaten
ANY size deposit if there system is down. They also pay rebates on show
wager's which I don't think Pinnacle or Triple Crown won't. So there !

[finfan]

And unlike Pinnacle they don't move your bets into the pool

How would one know one way or the other whether or not these places are moving your money into the pool? You don't think for one second these guys aren't going to hedge major wagers, if they can?
They are not the ones fading the bet. The players are betting amongst themselves.

I think PA is referring to lurker's claim that ChrisRacebook.com doesn't lay off bets. As far as I know ChrisRacebook is a rebate shop like Pinnacle. They don't have a betting exchange like Ehorsex.

[Cesario!]

I've been with E-Horse for over 5 years....and EVERY TIME I've wanted to
withdraw any amount, it was Westerned Unioned within 2-3 hours, and I
can pick it up ANYWHERE I can find a place that has W.U.,e.g. 7-11's,
24 hour Wal-mart, etc. they've recently went to MYATMONLINE.com to
get around the Bank-Credit card fiasco...no problems there either...and
E-Horse eats all charges recieving deposits over $250 ( and has eaten
ANY size deposit if there system is down. They also pay rebates on show
wager's which I don't think Pinnacle or Triple Crown won't. So there !

Well, that's definately good to hear. Any one else have any positive or negative about withdrawing money from this site?

[fiveouttasix]

I have used E-Horse for 5 years and never had a problem making a withdrawal. I have always used Neteller and am not certain if that is still possible given the new laws. They have in the past Fed-Exed a check so I guess that would still be an option.

[GMB@BP]

I have used E-Horse for 5 years and never had a problem making a withdrawal. I have always used Neteller and am not certain if that is still possible given the new laws. They have in the past Fed-Exed a check so I guess that would still be an option.

snail mail is always an option

[pic6vic]

Excahge betting is really simple. You can either bet a horse or "book" a horse to lose. You pay a commision on your winning bets or your net winnings for the day depending on the site. Once you get used to the concept of betting agaist a horse it is easy to understand. Ehorse owns ehorsex. My personal favorite spot to play offshore right now is www.CrisRacebook.com. They offer a sign up bonus and rebate up to 8% of your daily handle. And unlike Pinnacle they don't move your bets into the pool, nor do they close the races early.

You only receive 8% on exotic bets over the internet. Win, place and show is only a 3% rebate. (Pinny 7%). Also they are the same as pinnacle in regards to show and place. Only 2.20 or lower payouts do not receive a rebate.

[lurker]

How do I know that www.CrisRacebook.com doesn't move money into the pool like Pinny does? Really simple. I play very large win and exotic bets at close to post at many small pool tracks and there has never been any movement in the host pool. I have spoken with their management about this issue and they have said that they might cut a players limits if he beat then up to badly, but I am still able to play the way I always have and am up slightly more than $80,000 since playing with them. This number is inclusive of rebates. When I used to play at both e horse and Pinny I would see mimics of my wagers in the host pools. I did put a rather large dent into e horse before I saw this happening. Because of their relationship with a parimutuel outlet is is quite easy for them to comingle. Same thing with Pinny. My conversations with Pinny confirmed that they perform "risk management". As I stated previuosly I firmly believe that www.CrisRacebook.com does not move bets. If this changes in the future I will post it here.

[PaceAdvantage]

How do I know that www.CrisRacebook.com (http://www.crisracebook.com/) doesn't move money into the pool like Pinny does? Really simple. I play very large win and exotic bets at close to post at many small pool tracks and there has never been any movement in the host pool. I have spoken with their management about this issue and they have said that they might cut a players limits if he beat then up to badly, but I am still able to play the way I always have and am up slightly more than $80,000 since playing with them. This number is inclusive of rebates. When I used to play at both e horse and Pinny I would see mimics of my wagers in the host pools. I did put a rather large dent into e horse before I saw this happening. Because of their relationship with a parimutuel outlet is is quite easy for them to comingle. Same thing with Pinny. My conversations with Pinny confirmed that they perform "risk management". As I stated previuosly I firmly believe that www.CrisRacebook.com (http://www.crisracebook.com/) does not move bets. If this changes in the future I will post it here.

It's funny that you decided to include the URL to this book TWICE in your post. Most folks would have MAYBE put one link in, and the other time used some sort of other way to convey that they were talking about the book (like your use of PINNY for pinnacle...)

Makes me think I should charge for this ad.....

[lurker]

Ok here are the Lurker recomended books with review in no particular order.

www.Pinnaclesports.com

Pros 7% rebate (4%NYRA) and a one time sign up bonus of 10%. Decent track list. Resonable limits.Matchups

Cons $100 minimun bet by phone with reduced rebate. Races shut out early sometimes. Customer service only by e mail. Will comingle your bets if you start to win. Not a big fan of the wagering platform.

www.ehorse.com

Pros 5% rebate. Variable sign up bonus. Decent track list. Keeps races open until the off. Very easy to use software. Offers a betting exchange

Cons Low payoff limits. Will comingle and possibly add onto your bets if you are profiled as a winner. Phone clerks are OK. No matchups.

www.CrisRacebook.

Pros Up to 8% rebate. Sign up bonus of 21%. Good track list (especially for harness players). Races open until the off. Good software (better than www.pinnaclesports.com, but not as good as www.ehorse.com). Excellent phone clerks. Good limits (except for harness). Does not comingle bets ever.

Cons Harness tracks have a low max payout and no rebate. Occasional matchups.

www.Viphorses.

Pros 15% rebate of NET losses in a month. Up to 20% sign up bonus. Ok limits. Software is OK. If you prove to be a loser you will receive some reload bonuses as well as your rebate.

Cons You will only recive a rebate if you are a loser for the month. Limited track menu and races shut out early. Somewhat low caps. Customer service is so so.

Any horse player should be fine choosing amongst this menu. I have had zero payout problems with any of these books. As I stated earlier my personal favorite right now is CR. because they haven't moved any of my plays. Having said that, if you ONLY play over the internet you should consider all of these books for whatever style of play is best for whichever book ( small player, last minute, large exotics etc.) however if you play over the phone you should scratch Pinny from your list.

Just one man's honest opinion.

[Nicole]

Beware that betcris will constantly call you. I've had 5 calls from them this week trying to get me to make a deposit. They can forget my business.

[PaceAdvantage]

I've also found betcris tactics to be particularly aggressive....and I've never even been a customer of theirs.

[lurker]

Simple solution if you don't want to get called. Call them and give them your "new" phone number. Works every time.

[Foolish Pleasure]

lurker is a lying agenda ridden shill.

no one books horses to winners forever.

and people that lie about it generally do it less than others.

[classhandicapper]

I'm still having no problem depositing and withdrawing from any sites using Neteller, but there is an unattractive fee on deposits at the e-horse exhange. I think it was about a $50 fee on a $1500 deposit. I requested info on alternatives, but they said there weren't any.

If someone knows how to avoid that deposit fee, please let me know.

PM if you can so I know that someone responded to this.

[lurker]

Foolish:

Thank you for the kind words. And what exactly is my agenda?

[1099please]

ok, this is my first post so hello to all . i just dont get why ehorse has started up an exchange, they have been sending me emails frequently about how there are better prices on the exchange. well that maybe true but why does this make sense for them, the traditional pari mutuel book has a much bigger advantage(takeout) than the exchange so what is in it for them. I know that the betfair model has been spectacularly successful, but it was the brainchild of someone who wanted to offer the gambler better value and they didnt already operate a book.

[cj]

They are the house, and take the money off the top. It doesn't matter who wins. They offer it to make money of course, in this case with NO RISK.

[1099please]

I dont know about no risk, look at sporting options it is quite possible this is seeded also and it wouldnt take but a few shrewd price judges to put a hurting on them.:)

[cj]

They aren't the ones laying the money. You open an account and put money in it. You can choose to bet a horse, or lay a horse. If you lay a horse, you determine the odds. No risk to them, it is your money. They scrape off the top, much like a casino in a poker game.

[1099please]

how do you know they are not lying it? in order to get the exchange started they may have to lay it in some markets.

[cj]

how do you know they are not lying it? in order to get the exchange started they may have to lay it in some markets.

I guess I don't, but in the end, that is not the goal. The goal is in the take. How did you go from asking a beginner's question to extreme hypothetical land?

[1099please]

I am not entirely sure what you mean by that, but it is a subject that I have a keen interest in. my fingers have been burnt before ( sporting options)

[lurker]

Yes they are seeding all of the markets. One of the reasons to start an exchange is to see order flow. Think of it like a specialist on a stock market floor. Once you have identified the winners, it makes it much easier to play the game. If you are really good at picking out the winners, then you could build a model similar to what the winner is using. Having said all of this, if you are a small bettor, then the exchange is a good play for you.

[skate]

lurker;

here i am following your post, and thanks for the info.
all is good until you say, "good for small betting".

thru me off.

oh, and thats a good idea on giving a new phone number, but i don't have a new number.
well, maybe i'll use Pa's and he can just say "wrong Number, sorry".

[lurker]

Skate:

What I mean by good for a small bettor is that if you are playing big and winning you may be giving the secrets of your success to the exchange owners. As for the phone number, you don't need another one, just make one up. How does 213-555-1234 sound?

[skate]

Lurker;


ok, makes sense, thanks.


the phone mumber deal was just a little "rib- jib" alla PA

[GMB@BP]

i have been getting back into the exchange, its just awsome.

bet boco grande and got here at 8/1, and then i bet zanjero who I knew was up against a nice horse, but 18/1. I will make bets like this all the time.

to me it seems the big chalks and other highly bet horses dont offer much value over the track, but the medium shots tend to be wildly offered at great odds.

then of course you can bet against really terrible chalks.

[classhandicapper]

i have been getting back into the exchange, its just awsome.

bet boco grande and got here at 8/1, and then i bet zanjero who I knew was up against a nice horse, but 18/1. I will make bets like this all the time.

to me it seems the big chalks and other highly bet horses dont offer much value over the track, but the medium shots tend to be wildly offered at great odds.

then of course you can bet against really terrible chalks.

I knew you would love it. ;)

[Foolish Pleasure]

Lurker still want to maintain CRIS will book winner's bets forever-or have they shown you they lay off yet?

What I mean by good for a small bettor is that if you are playing big and winning you may be giving the secrets of your success to the exchange owners.

This is only an issue when you are dealing with a known piggybacking scumbag like DW.

[lurker]

Reduced limits yes, shown the door no.

[highnote]

I am still waiting to get my money out of ibetx -- it has been about 6 months since I requested it. They were only too happy to take my deposit. Not quite so keen to return the balance of my money.

[Robert Fischer]

I have found ehorse, and ehorsex to be an excellent resource.

One thing to be aware of is to stay on your toes regarding transaction and transfer policies which they handle a bit unprofessionally.

ehorse has clear deposit instructions, and they will eat deposit fees , when deposit is greater than $250.00.
They offer one free withdraw per month.
There is no fee for unlimited transfering funds between ehorse to ehorseX.

All of which I am thrilled with as a customer.

What I have not appreciated is that , when I chose to make a withdraw from the ehorseX side of things I was told that I would be charged a $5.00 fee! Now I could have simply transfered some and made the same withdraw from the ehorse side for free!

I feel that type of thing is unprofessional, however at the time I paid the
$5.00 fee as I was told the supervisor was out until the evening, and I wanted to finish my business for that day.

Now again today I a had a bit of a customer service problem...:mad: I had transfered a small amount of money from ehorseX into ehorse... Hit a small exacta and called to transfer most of that money back into ehorseX, and I get hit with comments about a 3.9% deposit fee. And was basically warned about depositing to ehorse and transfering to ehorsex... I took the information in stride, and mentioned that this was not the case with this situation. I was told to listen.:ThmbDown: I was not charged a fee, but do not appreciate the customer service aspect today. I also mentioned that I partake in a risk, and pay a commision every time I win.


I am not the type to avoid fees or rules with loop-holes.
Yet I also don't like to pay unexpected fees, or be put in a situation where I choose between paying a fee that is not set in a rule, rather a vague almost "moral"(if that is the right term) aspect.

Excellent product , I hope to continue as a customer with a smooth process.

[classhandicapper]

I deposited via Neteller. The deposit fee is a pain in the neck. I didn't know that if I opened an e-horse account I could do a free transfer to the exchange. If I ever want to deposit more money, I'll go that route. Hopefully, I'll never have to. One downside is that the exchange is attracting more good players. The first few weeks the prices were a joke. I was having the time of my life. It's tougher to find huge bargains now than it was in the beginning.

[Turfday]

Just wondering if any of you playing on eHorseX the last two days have noticed greatly reduced pool size re: matched and unmatched. I'm wondering if they are having transmission problems to their site or ???

The difference between Hollywood Park fall and opening day at SA vs. last two days is, well, mind boggling. At least that's the way it appears to me.

[Robert Fischer]

The Santa Anita and Golden Gate cards, have had some sparse markets the last couple days. The other cards have been ok in my experience.

I have a couple theories, hopefully It is up to speed soon. Hard to find a lot of value in a shallow seller's market, and Santa Anita in particular is such a nice meet.

[Robert Fischer]

-oh and I called and spoke to a supervisor.
I asked for more clarity on the current policy of deposits and transfers, and mentioned my recent customer service issues.

The current deal as he explained it to me is that the EhorseX is now going to charge a one-time deposit rate of 3.9% on moneys deposited into the Ehorse side - if those moneys are then transferred into the EhorseX side. According to him, originally there had been no such fee, - in order to attract more business to the exchange. It took a little while to communicate that I wasn't calling to argue about fees, and that there was no such premise of "letting it slide" concerning my up to date account activity which has been 100% professional. His explanation was reasonable, and I am able to go forward and make decisions regarding increased increments of investment, knowing what the policy actually is.

Concerning this new information it seems to me that, should in the future, I deposit funds into the account with any intent on funding the exchange side, I would simply use the EhorseX side, or use Ehorse and immediately transfer a large percentage while paying the 3.9% fee on those moneys transferred. Which should then for all purposes free-up the transfer between accounts.

[WinterTriangle]

Is anyone still using EhorseX who can provide an updated review?

[turfnsport]

Is anyone still using EhorseX who can provide an updated review?

FYI: Bookmaker bought eHorse, EhorseX, and BetLP.

[classhandicapper]

FYI: Bookmaker bought eHorse, EhorseX, and BetLP.

When?

Will that impact anything because I use EhorseX and Bookmaker.

[BMeadow]

EhorseX has been taken over by Bookmaker, the U.S. arm of CRIS (Costa Rica International Sportsbook). Bookmaker has its own exchange site called Betmaker, which uses the same "skin" as EhorseX (the pools are combined).

So it doesn't matter whether you are betting through EhorseX or Betmaker. The commission is 2.4%, and the folks you'll be dealing with financially are at Bookmaker in Costa Rica.

The action at Betmaker/EhorseX is a fraction of the handle at Betfair, which does not accept U.S. bettors.

[Charlie D]

The action at Betmaker/EhorseX is a fraction of the handle at Betfair, which does not accept U.S. bettors.




Got to put up the requests guys otherwise there's no liquidity.

[thaskalos]

EhorseX has been taken over by Bookmaker, the U.S. arm of CRIS (Costa Rica International Sportsbook). Bookmaker has its own exchange site called Betmaker, which uses the same "skin" as EhorseX (the pools are combined).

So it doesn't matter whether you are betting through EhorseX or Betmaker. The commission is 2.4%, and the folks you'll be dealing with financially are at Bookmaker in Costa Rica.

The action at Betmaker/EhorseX is a fraction of the handle at Betfair, which does not accept U.S. bettors. Hi Barry,

I have a Bookmaker account but I never funded it. Would you happen to know how reliable they are in honoring their financial obligations to their customers?

Thanks in advance for your reply.

[bigmack]

I've been with Bookmaker.com for years and have never had a problem getting withdrawals in an expeditious fashion.

[turfnsport]

Bookmaker is one of the strongest books out there and is rated A+ by SBR.

There were some slow pay complaints against ehorse, and sister book betLP, which have all been resolved since the acquisition in December.

I always found ehorse CS top notch, and same goes for bookmaker.

[thaskalos]

I've been with Bookmaker.com for years and have never had a problem getting withdrawals in an expeditious fashion. Thanks. I appreciate the info.

[BMeadow]

Bookmaker.com/CRIS has always been efficient and responsible in handling their financial obligations to customers.

[thaskalos]

Reliability AND an 8% rebate on wagers? Sounds like a great deal!

[Charlie D]

If company is sound, i'm surprised more are not doing some trading on ehorseX

[Bettowin]

How did you guys fund the Bookmaker or Betmaker accounts? It doesn't look like Bookmaker has a bet against option but Betmaker does. If they are owned by the same entity the reliability should be the same. I see Betmaker has a VISA option but I don't have an account and it would be nice to be able to use a prepaid card.

Any comments?

[WinterTriangle]

thanks for the reports everyone.

Was reading thru archives one night and this topic was one that I wanted to revive, to get more info about.

[Bettowin]

I have been watching the exchanges on eHorsex today comparing to the track tote and the odds are definitely better than the live betting through the tracks. I do like the idea of laying odds (betting against).