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karlskorner
10-26-2006, 07:10 PM
Randy Giles newletter

http://paceappraiser.com/blog/

Tom
10-26-2006, 07:19 PM
I read that today. Interesting article.
I'm going to set a report that makes those calc and see if it worth persuing.

Whirlaway
10-26-2006, 11:02 PM
Some real world testing:

8 Quirin points:
number of horses: 6013
Chances of making the lead at first call: 45%
Win% when making lead: 24.7%
ROI when making lead: +.08
Win% when not making lead: 12.3%
ROI when not making lead: -31%

7 Quirin points:
Number of horses: 9356
Chances of making lead at first call: 32%
Win% when making lead: 32.1%
ROI when making lead: +28%
Win% when not making lead: 12.8%
ROI when not making lead: -37%

<7 Quirin points
Number of Horses: 175786
Chance of making the lead at first call: 10%
win% when making lead: 27.3%
ROI when making lead: +56%

mhrussell
10-27-2006, 03:16 PM
Some real world testing:

8 Quirin points:
number of horses: 6013
Chances of making the lead at first call: 45%
Win% when making lead: 24.7%
ROI when making lead: +.08
Win% when not making lead: 12.3%
ROI when not making lead: -31%

7 Quirin points:
Number of horses: 9356
Chances of making lead at first call: 32%
Win% when making lead: 32.1%
ROI when making lead: +28%
Win% when not making lead: 12.8%
ROI when not making lead: -37%

<7 Quirin points
Number of Horses: 175786
Chance of making the lead at first call: 10%
win% when making lead: 27.3%
ROI when making lead: +56%

This somewhat confirms my gut sense that the calculation method Randy presented in his article gives TOO LOW a probability of making the lead for those E7 and E8 type horses. Still, this is an interesting idea and something to think about and track.

delayjf
10-27-2006, 07:12 PM
You might want to pass on your results to Randy.

Tom
10-27-2006, 08:20 PM
But I would guess the probabilities would chage depending on the race make up. If you have thee 8 horses and a 7, it's not the same race where you have one 8 and the next best is 5.