N. Korean Nuke Test

[PaceAdvantage]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/08/korea.nuclear.test/index.html


OK, start spinning.....Dow overbought....does this international incident cause the markets to reverse hard (Fed meeting on Tuesday as well).....

We shall see...

[PaceAdvantage]

Who'll be the first to proclaim that Rove & Co. are behind the N. Korea nuke test?

[44PACE]

Didn't North Korea already make a claim that they had a couple of Nukes ?

If you already have them why would they need a test.

America should tell North Korea that as long as they want to go down this path all talks are over and all moneys sent to them are done. Also send them a strong warning that if they ever would use this weapon on any country that we will send them a couple of thousand nukes.

[kenwoodallpromos]

I think N. Korea should test a lot more- like all they have! And maybe they will blow themselves to bits in the process!

[richrosa]

PA,

I agree that Rove was behind the Nuke test so that Foley would come off the front pages and that the GOP could get everyone thinking about good 'ol war and national security again.

Of course, Cheney had his bid in and Haliburton gets to clean up the nuke mess that the North Koreans made in a no-bid contract, so I better run out and by a few thousands shares of Haliburton today.

Of course don't leave out of Rumsfeld. He's got a bad ass plan to send 20,000 more troops (even though John Kerry thinks it should be 30,000) to the North Korea border to incite a conflict to prove that we can be at war in three theatres at once. You gotta love his bravdo.

The genius of the Rove-Nuke plan plan of course gets the GOP the '06 election and ensures that so long as we're at war with everyone, the GOP will get their Presidential choice in 2008, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

Thanks Kim Jong.

[ljb]

The US Government has announced that it will release $95m to North Korea as part of an agreement to replace the Stalinist country's own nuclear program, which the US suspected was being misused.
Under the 1994 Agreed Framework an international consortium is building two proliferation-proof nuclear reactors and providing fuel oil for North Korea while the reactors are being built.
In releasing the funding, President George W Bush waived the Framework's requirement that North Korea allow inspectors to ensure it has not hidden away any weapons-grade plutonium from the original reactors.
Link here…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia-pacific/1908571.stm

[richrosa]

Question?

Multiple choice:

Who gave the reactors to North Korea that probably produced the plutonium that blew up this morning?

A) Haliburton
B) Karl Rove
C) George Bush
D) William Jefferson Clinton

Quote:
Madeline Albright on Cavuto explaining Kim Jong Il May 2006:
ALBRIGHT: I actually said he wasn't a nut. I said that he was rational, he was...what he is, is isolated. He's not a nut.

Like I said, this is a Rove/Haliburton plan get Foley off the news while aiming to get Jeb Bush into the White House and corrupt more Deibold voting machines, while surpressing the democrat vote.

[DJofSD]

This is all that needs to be said. (http://www.lyricsbook.net/lyrics/69768.html)

[Suff]

It's very important to be afraid. And blame. Everyone else, even your own, but beyond all things, be afraid. oh.....and go shopping. at wal-mart preferably.








al-queda-, 9-11, nine one one, bomb, evil 9-11, Osama bin laden,terrorist, flag, America, be afraid, evil , fear, other guys fault, AMERICA, values, family, be afraid, scary, The flag, Al qaeda, other peoples fault. Go shopping.

[lsbets]

It appears that this test might be a repeat of the miserably failed missile test. They talked tough and then the missiles turned out to be duds. There is a lot of discussion about evidence pointing to an explosion in the range of 500-1000 tons, much less than the 15,000 claimed by N. Korea. Kim may have overplayed his hand and is now sitting there all in with nothing.

[JustRalph]

It appears that this test might be a repeat of the miserably failed missile test. They talked tough and then the missiles turned out to be duds. There is a lot of discussion about evidence pointing to an explosion in the range of 500-1000 tons, much less than the 15,000 claimed by N. Korea. Kim may have overplayed his hand and is now sitting there all in with nothing.


excellent point......... but it sure is one hell of a way to bluff..........

I read where China "warned" Bush not to over react. This country is dead because of the way we have downsized our military.......I would have flown a B-2 bomber right past his window while he was on the phone

[richrosa]

Ralph,

Please remember that our proposed foreign policy is in the hands of the smart fellas at the New York Times.

I can look my children in the eyes at night and know they'll be safe and never have to go to war like our parents did to bravely defend this country.

After they go to bed, my wife argue because we cannot decide whether to send them to Arabic school or Chinese school first, since its an equal shot that they'll be speaking one language or another natively by the time they're adults.

I wonder what school Pinchy sends his kids to?

[Suff]

The Dope on the video record ala, N. Korea.

Video - Bush plays ignoramus nonchalantus at press conference. I guess (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2NYTU5vs14)
Malveaux knows more about North Korea defense issues than Bush...


Bush's Keen Approach to North Korea (Plan for the Worst) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KuiUDc0e7s)

Clinton vs. Bush on North Korea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpwsPPVW0SM)












al-queda-, 9-11, nine one one, bomb, evil 9-11, Osama bin laden,terrorist, flag, America, be afraid, evil , fear, other guys fault, AMERICA, values, family, be afraid, scary, The flag, Al qaeda, other peoples fault. Go shopping

[kenwoodallpromos]

"To help preserve the Commission’s unofficial character, members who take up positions in their national administration give up Trilateral Commission membership. New members are chosen on a national basis. The procedures used for rotation off and for invitation of new members vary from national group to national group. Three Chairmen (one from each region), Deputy Chairmen, and Directors constitute the leadership of the Trilateral Commission, along with an Executive Committee including 36 other members. The full membership list is available by e-mail or by contacting any of the regional offices.

Chairmen, Deputy Chairmen and Directors
****North American Chairman: THOMAS S. FOLEY
Partner, Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld, Washington DC; former U.S. Ambassador to Japan; former Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives"
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CRF expert-"http://www.cfr.org/publication/11595/"

[JustRalph]

Looks like there is another movie coming out..........

[PaceAdvantage]

It must be in the DNA. I find myself siding with lsbets, JustRalph, and RichRosa, and just writhing in agony at Suff's posts in this thread as so totally off base and out of touch.....

You either have it or you don't.....that's the only possible explanation as to how two people can see the world so completely differently....

[betchatoo]

I post far less frequently in off topic than I used to. I have long since realized that most people (on both sides) have their minds made up and firmly shut. So posting is a lot like :bang:

However, I find myself having to ask; when does the blame Clinton for everything that goes wrong with this administration stop? When you have a new democratic president to blame? Guys it's been more than 6 years and GW was elected to supposedly correct Clinton's mistakes. He's also had a completely supportive (from a political standpoint) congress to work with (Clinton never did). This president's mistakes and problems are his own.

Did Clinton make mistakes? You betcha! But, IMO not as many as Bush and Reagan before him. But regardless, it's time to make changes not point fingers. You sound like kids blaming your brother.

You are every bit as bad as some of my liberal brethren who are constantly harping on the mistakes the president made getting us into Iraq. While I agree with them, get over it, we're there! The important thing is what do we do now? The same for the Korean situation.

I do know we're never going to solve all the world's problems because all the truly great thinkers in the world are too busy drinking in taverns or posting in chat rooms (sometimes both).

[Suff]

It must be in the DNA. I find myself siding with lsbets, JustRalph, and RichRosa, and just writhing in agony at Suff's posts in this thread as so totally off base and out of touch.....

You either have it or you don't.....that's the only possible explanation as to how two people can see the world so completely differently....


try and read this real slow.

You posted;
1. A Judge (in Vermont)
2. Gave a child molester a light sentence
3. You inferred that the sentence was a reflection of Blue States.

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I posted;
1. A Republican Speaker of the House
2. Protected a Republican Pedophile from exposure
3. I inferred it was a reflection of republicans

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1. When you saw my post you said;

Anyone that uses the behavior of one person to make wide sweeping generalization of an entire class of people is a waste of time.
2. When I read that, and reminded you of your judge thread you said;

I don't get it??.
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The above story is a demonstration your inability and unwillingness to wrap your head around simple concepts.
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The world is full of many threats. N. Korea among them. Fundamental Religion (of any denomination) is another.

The GREAT LIE you incessantly repeat, is that this administration is equipped to deal with these threats.

The multitudes of LIES involving whether threats are being extinguished, or inflamed, are equally disturbing.

[ljb]

And again Suff comes to the rescue with sound logical words. Too bad his bosox couldn't handle the yanks. Go Tigers :jump:

[BenDiesel26]

While it certainly is not right to label a whole group based on one person, PA certainly does have a more valid point in associating the Democratic movement with the judge in Vermont than someone does associating the Republican movement with Hastert's actions. Here's why:

Many far leftists (ACLU, Lakoff, probably Polosi and Dean etc.) believe in what is known as restorative justice, that is therapy, etc. is the way to go rather than punishment. And like it or not, the far leftist population in the Democratic party is currently growing and growing, just as the far rights in the Republican party are. Therefore, it would be easy to find many Liberal thinkers today that think the Vermont judge's sentence is more than justified for the action of the perpetrator.

On the other hand, if Hastert really was covering up a sex offender's actions I think you would be hardpressed to find members in his party that think that he was absolutely right to do so. And I don't think you should be able to find many people in either party that think that Foley's actions are justified. However, groups such as ACLU, etc. which are definitely associated with left-wing politics might believe that Foley's actions require no punishment.

Like it or not, both parties are moving to towards the extremes of their own sides, and the thinking of the Vermont judge is indicative of a far left socialist extreme to where the Democratic party seems to be headed. Frankly, this is why the political bickering back in fourth about blaming one side or the other for actions committed by foreign terrorists or other foreign wackjobs like Kim Jong-Il is ridiculous. Wackjobs are wackjobs and it has nothing to do with who is president. Most people, including myself, should be sick of the leadership in both parties who would rather attack the image and credibility and blame one side rather than talk about how you are actually going to fix the problems at hand.

[Suff]

While it certainly is not right to label a whole group based on one person, PA certainly does have a more valid point in associating the Democratic movement with the judge in Vermont than someone does associating the Republican movement with Hastert's actions. Here's why:

[QUOTE]Many far leftists (ACLU, Lakoff, probably Polosi and Dean etc.) believe in what is known as restorative justice, that is therapy, etc. is the way to go rather than punishment

Lie #1.


. Therefore, it would be easy to find many Liberal thinkers today that think the Vermont judge's sentence is more than justified for the action of the perpetrator.


Lie #2


On the other hand, if Hastert really was covering up a sex offender's actions I think you would be hardpressed to find members in his party that think that he was absolutely right to do so.


Lie #3

However, groups such as ACLU, etc. which are definitely associated with left-wing politics might believe that Foley's actions require no punishment.

Lie #4

Like it or not, both parties are moving to towards the extremes of their own sides, and the thinking of the Vermont judge is indicative of a far left socialist extreme to where the Democratic party seems to be headed.

Lie# 5 ( btw , don't confuse Solidarity with Socialism)

Frankly, this is why the political bickering back in fourth about blaming one side or the other for actions committed by foreign terrorists or other foreign wackjobs like Kim Jong-Il is ridiculous. Wackjobs are wackjobs and it has nothing to do with who is president. Most people, including myself, should be sick of the leadership in both parties who would rather attack the image and credibility and blame one side rather than talk about how you are actually going to fix the problems at hand

Here is the issue with that comment. Which I agree with and am grateful for your candor.

Being Familiar with The K Street Project, as I am, and CNAP, as I am, and other dastardly projects effected by republicans......and in response to the scorched earth politics of the conservative wing of the Repugs........The non-conservative Americans are not in the "friend making" mood.

The reality is, that although not highly likely, it is possible the Democrats will take the House, and a remote chance the Senate. If they do, I get the sense some conservatives think Bush will be impeached. Let me advise you that it will be worse than you can imagine. There is a strong Movement to Arrest Bush, and turn him over to the World Court in Hague for a trial that will include Crimes Against Humanity.

Do you know who Benjamin Ferenccz is? He was a lead prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials. He won 22 convictions of Nazi's following WW2. He supports a trial for George Bush. He said so on August 25th 2006. I'd give you the link but search it for yourself.... here's a snip for you though


Aug 25 (OneWorld) - A chief prosecutor of Nazi war crimes at Nuremberg has said George W. Bush should be tried for war crimes along with Saddam Hussein. Benjamin Ferenccz, who secured convictions for 22 Nazi officers for their work in orchestrating the death squads that killed more than 1 million people, told OneWorld both Bush and Saddam should be tried


I encourage conservatives to continue to view liberals as weak, or lacking resolve. It makes conservatives a more vulnerable and exposed enemy. In the interest of candor, I will suggest you button down the hatches if Republicans lose control of congress.

You wanted scorched earth? You wanted to play rough? ....

OK. Lets play.

[BenDiesel26]

As to what you labeled Lie #1, the only part that might be wrong is when I said 'probably' pelosi and dean as they are the leaders of the far left movement in congress. I'm not sure how they would feel about the issue. However, the ACLU does support restorative justice as well as George Lakoff. The ACLU is generally thought of as a far left group. Those are facts.

As to what you labeled Lie #2, you have to look no further than the coverage received in the newspapers in Vermont following the ruling. Many newspapers in the Vermont area felt that the ruling of the judge was justified.

As to what you label Lie #3, please name all of the names of those in the Republican party who have stated that if Hastert knew that Foley was a sex offender that he was absolutely right to keep it under wraps.

As to what you labeled Lie #4, my logic is flawed maybe. However, the ACLU once again is a far-left group and whether or not they believe Foley should be sent to jail is speculation on my part. They've certainly without moral defended the rights of other groups that promote actions much worse.

As to what you labeled Lie #5, these ideologies are indicative of far left thinking, and both parties are moving towards the extremes. However, I never said they ARE extreme. There are certainly still moderate thinkers in both parties and neither party has become a socialist or fascist regime.

On a side note, if you think Bush is going to get impeached and sent to a world court, keep dreaming.

[Suff]

On a side note, if you think Bush is going to get impeached and sent to a world court, keep dreaming.

What I think does'nt matter now. You either. The damage is done.

Events will begin to take place in 4 weeks. January 2007 many more.

I say with confidence.....reference America, and its politics.


What your about to witness is worse than anything you can imagine.

Good luck.

[ljb]

You know this talk of impeachment and sent to a world court brings up something I heard a couple of weeks ago. Rumors were out that Bush wanted the rules changed regarding torture of war prisoners in order to avoid having his staff tried on war crimes charges. I brushed it off as just more political malarkey at the time but now I have to quote Lefty and say hmmmm ?
Personally i think the possibility of Bush being impeached are about the same as finding wmds in Iraq.

[PaceAdvantage]

try and read this real slow.

You posted;
1. A Judge (in Vermont)
2. Gave a child molester a light sentence
3. You inferred that the sentence was a reflection of Blue States.


This was in direct response to your MANY posts where you paint "blue states" as far superior to their resource-draining "red state" brethren.....

Nothing more, nothing less.....did not mean to infer this as a reflection of all Blue States, just one in particular....I don't see how you got that I was applying that example to all blue states....I'm not even going to back and review my post before I say this --> you're reaching.

[JustRalph]

if the Dems get the house..........they will impeach in spring or summer of 2007. I have no doubt.

[44PACE]

North Korea now has the bomb there is nothing anyone can do about it now.Sanctions will not work they could care less if their people starve. Iran will get it next, again nothing will be done about it. The U.N. is worthless , if you can't back up what you say( the U.N. ) what good does it to make threats.


They called our bluff, now we have to live with new threats, pretty soon others will join in.

[rastajenk]

If the Dems impeach, their time in control of the House will be short-lived. Like about two years. Just because they may have a tiny majority (at best) doesn't mean the entire country has gone stark-raving Kos-loving moveontothelunaticfringe.org mad. Cooler heads within the party will prevail.

[ljb]

North Korea now has the bomb there is nothing anyone can do about it now.Sanctions will not work they could care less if their people starve. Iran will get it next, again nothing will be done about it. The U.N. is worthless , if you can't back up what you say( the U.N. ) what good does it to make threats.


They called our bluff, now we have to live with new threats, pretty soon others will join in.
Well after the way Bushco screwed up the response to 9/11, we can all just hope the Dems take control of congress and the senate also.

[Tom]

North Korea now has the bomb there is nothing anyone can do about it now.Sanctions will not work they could care less if their people starve. Iran will get it next, again nothing will be done about it. The U.N. is worthless , if you can't back up what you say( the U.N. ) what good does it to make threats.


They called our bluff, now we have to live with new threats, pretty soon others will join in.

I wouldn't say we bluffed yet. There is still something WE can do, and I bet Bush is just the guy to do it if it comes to that. UN be damned.
Call me nuts, but talking out the worlds' oil supply could only benefit US. I say, who better to come up with quick alternatives and rise again as a major power?
Then we take of Kim Il Dung.

[Secretariat]

If not for China, North Korea would have been toast 50 years ago.

The question is what is GW going to do about it. He's done nothing for 6 years, and now he talks about diplomacy? Someone has to tell this guy it's difficult to have diplomacy when you won't even talk with your eneemy EXCEPT under the conditions you demand. He's refused to even meet face to face with North Korea, but demands six party talks. This is why the world laughs at him. He is obstinate. An extremist ideologue who sees no room for compromise. Treaties are signed by compromise. Politicians create bi-partisanship by compromise, not by obstinance.

GW has to learn that diplomacy is wasted unless you are ready to meet with your enemy. That doesn't mean you have to abide by all his demands, but when you don't even sit down and meet with him, then there is no hope, except an unconditional surrender, and then you may as well forget about diplomacy anyway, and let loose the dogs of war.

Some here want that, but GW said today that DIPLOMACY is what he wants to now do with North Korea, so please explain how he is going to do that any differently than he has already done over the last six years? :confused:

[kenwoodallpromos]

If not for China, North Korea would have been toast 50 years ago.

The question is what is GW going to do about it. He's done nothing for 6 years, and now he talks about diplomacy? Someone has to tell this guy it's difficult to have diplomacy when you won't even talk with your eneemy EXCEPT under the conditions you demand. He's refused to even meet face to face with North Korea, but demands six party talks. This is why the world laughs at him. He is obstinate. An extremist ideologue who sees no room for compromise. Treaties are signed by compromise. Politicians create bi-partisanship by compromise, not by obstinance.

GW has to learn that diplomacy is wasted unless you are ready to meet with your enemy. That doesn't mean you have to abide by all his demands, but when you don't even sit down and meet with him, then there is no hope, except an unconditional surrender, and then you may as well forget about diplomacy anyway, and let loose the dogs of war.

Some here want that, but GW said today that DIPLOMACY is what he wants to now do with North Korea, so please explain how he is going to do that any differently than he has already done over the last six years? :confused:
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Since you say N. Korea is our enemy, Why do you suppose N. Korea does not want China involved in talks? I thought they were buddies!
Actually, I decided either we or Russia gives nuke technology to countries, then allow them to join the New World Order to help their economy if they do not make nuclear weapons.

[Steve 'StatMan']

Actually, I decided either we or Russia gives nuke technology to countries, then allow them to join the New World Order to help their economy if they do not make nuclear weapons.

But North Korea took that nuke technology and food assisance from Clinton and Company, and secretly developed their nuclear bomb program, and fed most of that food to the army they grew (if your boy wants to eat well, he had to join the army). And they got far enough along that by the time the current adiminstraion gets started, and the 9/11 & stuff happen, then they disclose quite proudly that they did it, and we know that the only way to put a stop to them would cause a major environmental, economic and humanitarian disaster to all neighboring couritries - Japan, So. Korea, China & Russia, the other 4 countries that clearly need to be in any discussions and action plans. Remember that in any attack, the No. Korean army, as well as fleeing No. Korean citizens, will be charging en masse at So. Korea and China, to either attack, or flee in hopes of safety, as well as crossing the waters towards Japan and Russia. No attacks can be made by us without enormous impact on these 4 other countries. They have far more to lose than we do. We have to have the other 4 buy into the 'correct' solution and be prepared for any and all consequences. We can't just wait for Kim Dung-Il and a few thousand of his leutenants to have heart attacks or eat tainted spinach. The Berlin Wall & Soviet Union fell because the people, and even their own army and leaders deep down really knew they needed them to fall. No. Korea by all appeances has no such thoughts whatsoever.

[Steve 'StatMan']

Let me add this ammendment to what I posted above:

Frankly, No. Korea got so far along with their program, that NO adminstration (not the Bush, nor a Gore or Kerry, an extended Clinton, or any other adminstration) could stop without causing MANY MAJOR environmental, economic and humanitarian disasters to all neighboring couritries, plus inviting harm to ourselves. The table was fully set for them, and now the whole world will begin to pay the price. If we go alone, 4 other countries will be harm, plus ourselves if No. Korea or any other of their allies or opportunistic enemies jump in (such as Iran, Al-Quida and other terrorist groups, even oil/economic distrubances from Chavez in Venezuela, who has been uniting himself w/Iran and against the U.S. lately.)

[Suff]

. Just because they may have a tiny majority (at best) doesn't mean the entire country has .

I'd like to ask you to think about your comments in this manner.

Al Gore got more votes than Bush, and Bush was awarded the election by the US Supreme Court , when he sued on the basis his 14th ammendment rights would be violated if he was'nt awarded the Presidency.

Think about that.,........and your "Tiny Majority"....

You did'nt even get a majority and you drilled this country like you bought it.





gone stark-raving Kos-loving moveontothelunaticfringe.org mad. Cooler heads within the party will prevail


Do recall Tom Delay getting arrested?, and what he said when asked by a Reporter what he hoped Voters would see when they looked at his Mug Shot?

"I hope they see Jesus Christ"


Move on to the lunatic fringe? Yer shitting me right? These Conservatives are insane beyond description.

[Secretariat]

Interesting post on DailyKos on this.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/10/231229/07

Under the 1994 Agreed Framework an international consortium is building two proliferation-proof nuclear reactors and providing fuel oil for North Korea while the reactors are being built.

In releasing the funding, President George W Bush waived the Framework's requirement that North Korea allow inspectors to ensure it has not hidden away any weapons-grade plutonium from the original reactors.

President Bush argued that the decision was "vital to the national security interests of the United States".

....

WTF??? Why did he waive that requirement?

...

And Rumsfeld?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html

The two faces of Rumsfeld

2000: director of a company which wins $200m contract to sell nuclear reactors to North Korea
2002: declares North Korea a terrorist state, part of the axis of evil and a target for regime change

Randeep Ramesh
Friday May 9, 2003
The Guardian

Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, sat on the board of a company which three years ago sold two light water nuclear reactors to North Korea - a country he now regards as part of the "axis of evil" and which has been targeted for regime change by Washington because of its efforts to build nuclear weapons.

Mr Rumsfeld was a non-executive director of ABB, a European engineering giant based in Zurich, when it won a $200m (£125m) contract to provide the design and key components for the reactors. The current defence secretary sat on the board from 1990 to 2001, earning $190,000 a year. He left to join the Bush administration.

...

Why are Bush cabinet members involved in this stuff?

[Tom]

Sec,
Why no posts about Dingy Harry's Las Vagas land deal and ethics violations, topped by lying to Congress? THAT is an interesting story.


Suff,

WOW! Talk about twisting the truth! You really that story? :lol:

[Secretariat]

Sec,
Why no posts about Dingy Harry's Las Vagas land deal and ethics violations, topped by lying to Congress? THAT is an interesting story.


Why? Because this thread is on North Korea. Keep on topic.

[PaceAdvantage]

Move on to the lunatic fringe? Yer shitting me right? These Conservatives are insane beyond description.

Another meaningless sound byte. All style, no substance. Yup, conservatives are insane. We're just nuts. Cuckoo....Cuckoo....

The true definition of insanity will be arrived at when the Democrats regain control of Congress and/or the White House, at which time they will implement their "terrorism treated as a police action" policy, at which point, everyone living in or near a major US city might as well paint a big red target on their ass.

It's not going to be pretty, IMO.

[ljb]

Another meaningless sound byte. All style, no substance. Yup, conservatives are insane. We're just nuts. Cuckoo....Cuckoo....

The true definition of insanity will be arrived at when the Democrats regain control of Congress and/or the White House, at which time they will implement their "terrorism treated as a police action" policy, at which point, everyone living in or near a major US city might as well paint a big red target on their ass.

It's not going to be pretty, IMO.
PA brings out the fear card. Oh dear, perhaps we should nuke somebody. I am so scared I think the incompetants should remain in control.

[BenDiesel26]

All I want to know is where the heck did N. Korea get all of the money, fuel, and reactors to enrich all this uranium?

[BenDiesel26]

By the way the whole point is N Korea was going to violate any agreements regardless, and inspections are worthless. There is really nothing that can be done by the US in either administration that N Korea would have followed through with. They continue to break all agreements, so why continue to make agreements? Without Russia or China, nothing is going to get done.

[JustRalph]

I don't think he broke out the fear card. I think he broke out the logic card. The Terrorists have said over and over again that they believe the Dems are weak. The specifically quote Clinton several times. It might take a few years, but they will be rooting for Dems in a month. And in 08.

[rastajenk]

When you lay down a Howard Dean speech next to a Zawahiri videotape, the points line up as though they came from a single source. Republicans can't help it if Dems line up on the wrong side of history.

Suff, the tiny majority I referred to was in the House, as the context was impeachment.

The Kos-loving moveon crowd would like to see Bush assassinated. They would like to see troops mutiny against their superiors. They agree with Ward Churchill that we deserved 9/11, yet somehow simultaneously manage to believe that BushCo. orchestrated it. They believe that in five years BushCo. ratcheted up global warming to such an extent that it caused massive hurricanes, then sat back and laughed and did nothing about them. These are the lunatic fringe ideas that are nowhere near majority beliefs, and Dems in Congress will be committing political suicide if they let the loony liberal left set that kind of agenda. That was my point.

[ljb]

I don't think he broke out the fear card. I think he broke out the logic card. The Terrorists have said over and over again that they believe the Dems are weak. The specifically quote Clinton several times. It might take a few years, but they will be rooting for Dems in a month. And in 08.
This come from Halliburton's manual ? Or is it from some other defense contractor ? Just curious, if the terrorists think the dems are weak, why did they strike under Bush's watch ?

[Suff]

[QUOTE]When you lay down a Howard Dean speech next to a Zawahiri videotape, the points line up as though they came from a single source. Republicans can't help it if Dems line up on the wrong side of history.

Your flawed. I mean that in the sense that your removed from the actual truth.

The closest thing America has to a Fundamental Muslim, is an evangelical Christian.

Why don't you read Speech's from the Iranian President..... They abhor liberal democracies. They're much less intimidated by Evangelical Conservatives. I could get you the speech's... but its useless. Mainly, because with you being in Ohio, and holding the views you have , show how off the reservation you are. If Americans were to read the Enquirer, or the Plain Dealer, or see The local Ohio news.....................The Republicans would be in worse shape. What Republicans have done to the great State of Ohio......is Criminal(literally)

Suff, the tiny majority I referred to was in the House, as the context was impeachment.


Your implication was inferrred. Listen... You have nowhere to go.... You burned every bridge to safety. Nothing you say makes any sense when held up to your own conduct. Tiny majority... large majority, democracy, representation..... Republicans threw that out the door a looong time ago. You have no basis by which to discuss how government should govern when they win by a slim margin,....... none... You forfieted that ground.


The Kos-loving moveon crowd would like to see Bush assassinated.

Your Honor...
I have no further witness's



They agree with Ward Churchill that we deserved 9/11,

Who's we? You? What, now you like NY? And its liberal ways? In your world NY is a swear word. When you feign like an attack on NY means something to you.... its like going to a Funeral of a Guy you did'nt like. Classless, and meaningless.

Further.... he called the Money managers in the WTC...."Little Eichmans"




yet somehow simultaneously manage to believe that BushCo. orchestrated it. They believe that in five years BushCo. ratcheted up global warming to such an extent that it caused massive hurricanes, then sat back and laughed and did nothing about them.


How is that different than you beleiving God sent it? I'd submit the BUSHCO theory is more practical........although I believe neither,




These are the lunatic fringe ideas that are nowhere near majority beliefs, and Dems in Congress will be committing political suicide if they let the loony liberal left set that kind of agenda. That was my point


Your loony.


Nice chattin with you.:bang:

[JustRalph]

wow.......we are "off the reservation" amazing how that works.........

[Tom]

Just imagine how bad it would be if KERRY had won! :rolleyes:

Keep ranting Suff, you are energizing the core. MY core! :jump:

Nothing helps conservatives more than ranting libs! That is why righties never try to silence them. :lol:

[BenDiesel26]

As of this morning there is still no radiation detected.

[PaceAdvantage]

Just curious, if the terrorists think the dems are weak, why did they strike under Bush's watch ?

They aren't brain surgeons, that's why....and it's obvious they made an error in judgement. That's OK though, cause things may get easier for them in a few years....

Perhaps they didn't expect the military response that followed 9/11. I'm sure they're thinking that things will get a whole lot easier should certain candidates gain the White House in 2008, in which case, I'm sure they won't hesitate to test the waters once again with an attempt at a major attack on US soil.

They'll know the opposition party's primary goal in response to a terrorist attack will be to catch those directly responsible for the atrocity. A more effective approach, and one attempted by the Bush admin., is to focus on how to deter future attacks through a broad-based aggressive policy. If, during the execution of this policy, we happen to catch those directly responsible for a particular attack, that's the icing on the cake.

I never said I thought the Dems were weak, I just think they are misguided on how to best go about dealing with the threat of terrorism and what the necessary responses are to an attack.

In the end, my intention wasn't to play the fear card (whatever that means), but to express my beliefs, same as you do every day here.

[PaceAdvantage]

The Kos-loving moveon crowd would like to see Bush assassinated. They would like to see troops mutiny against their superiors. They agree with Ward Churchill that we deserved 9/11, yet somehow simultaneously manage to believe that BushCo. orchestrated it. They believe that in five years BushCo. ratcheted up global warming to such an extent that it caused massive hurricanes, then sat back and laughed and did nothing about them.

All sadly true, at least to this observer.

[JustRalph]

Funny, It is November and I haven't seen one hurricane seriously threaten any large city? Amazing how Bush can just turn them off? :lol:

Al Gore and spike lee and there ilk need a foot up there ass............

Farahhkan too........

[ljb]

They aren't brain surgeons, that's why....and it's obvious they made an error in judgement. That's OK though, cause things may get easier for them in a few years....
come on pace, we have someone declaring the terrorists think the dems are weak. How he knows what the terrorists think is beyond me. Perhaps he could tell us what thinking process made the "error in judgement".


Perhaps they didn't expect the military response that followed 9/11. I'm sure they're thinking that things will get a whole lot easier should certain candidates gain the White House in 2008, in which case, I'm sure they won't hesitate to test the waters once again with an attempt at a major attack on US soil.

Well then you seem to know how/what the terrorists think also. Chertoff has already publicly stated they will make another attack on our soil. We just don't know when. Did he know the dems were gaining political momentum ? :D
They'll know the opposition party's primary goal in response to a terrorist attack will be to catch those directly responsible for the atrocity. A more effective approach, and one attempted by the Bush admin., is to focus on how to deter future attacks through a broad-based aggressive policy. If, during the execution of this policy, we happen to catch those directly responsible for a particular attack, that's the icing on the cake.

So we invaded Iraq because ?

I never said I thought the Dems were weak, I just think they are misguided on how to best go about dealing with the threat of terrorism and what the necessary responses are to an attack.

It was Jr that said the dems were weak or more precisly the terrorists know the dems are weak.

In the end, my intention wasn't to play the fear card (whatever that means), but to express my beliefs, same as you do every day here.
playing the fear card means saying things that impose fear on Americans. Something like
'The true definition of insanity will be arrived at when the Democrats regain control of Congress and/or the White House, at which time they will implement their "terrorism treated as a police action" policy, at which point, everyone living in or near a major US city might as well paint a big red target on their ass."
ps the dudes in England caught trying to blow up planes with toothpaste or whatever were caught via POLICE ACTION. No countries were invaded. No innocent civilians or U.S. troops were killed.

[ljb]

Funny, It is November and I haven't seen one hurricane seriously threaten any large city? Amazing how Bush can just turn them off? :lol:

Al Gore and spike lee and there ilk need a foot up there ass............

Farahhkan too........
Duh !
Bushco did not cause any hurricanes, he just failed to respond to Katrina.

[ljb]

Sorry folks this thread seems to have drifted. Back on topic.
Bush is trying diplomacy here, he has just sent this note to ill dung or whatever his name is.

Don't piss me off, or I will bring Democracy to your country. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[kenwoodallpromos]

Don't worry- it was a very small nuke- just the size to smuggle across the Mex border after alse to Al Queida. OH OH...

[Secretariat]

As of this morning there is still no radiation detected.

Confirmed by Negroponte's office.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061016/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_nkorea_test

Air samples confirm N. Korea nuke test
By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Air samples gathered last week contain radioactive materials that confirm that North Korea conducted an underground nuclear explosion, National Intelligence Director John Negroponte's office said Monday.

[Suff]

http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-42,GGLD:en&q=china%20fence&sa=N&tab=wn


They don't fool around.

[kenwoodallpromos]

Confirmed by Negroponte's office.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061016/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_nkorea_test

Air samples confirm N. Korea nuke test
By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Air samples gathered last week contain radioactive materials that confirm that North Korea conducted an underground nuclear explosion, National Intelligence Director John Negroponte's office said Monday.
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Here's a US artillery shell nuke that fits the yield-

"The US has developed several nuclear artillery shells in the 155 mm caliber. The only one to be deployed was the W-48 nuclear warhead developed by UCRL, packaged in the M-45 AFAP (artillery fired atomic projectile) shell. The W-48 nuclear warhead measured 86 cm (34") long and weighed 53.5-58 kg (118-128 lbs). Its yield was on the order of 70 to 100 tons (it was tested in the Hardtack II Tamalpais shot with a yield of 72 tons, predicted yield was 100-300 tons)."
"In 1991 the US unilaterally withdrew its nuclear artillery shells from service, and Russia responded in kind in 1992."