10 tracks with lowest win pool take-out

[formula_2002]

10 tracks with lowest win pool take-outs (per bris)

Gulfstream Park (GPX) 0.15
Fonner Park (FON) 0.15
Aqueduct (AQU) 0.15
Belmont (BEL) 0.15
Saratoga (SAR) 0.15
Bay Meadows (BMX) 0.1543
Del Mar (DMR) 0.1543
Golden Gate Fields (GGX) 0.1543
Hollywood Park (HOL) 0.1543
Santa Anita (SAX) 0.1543

[1st time lasix]

surprised Keeneland didn't make that list. Always believed they were one of the most patron friendly venues.

[formula_2002]

surprised Keeneland didn't make that list. Always believed they were one of the most patron friendly venues.
16%
check out some of the pick 4 take-outs. Some go as low as 12!!!
http://www.bris.com/cgi-bin/static.cgi?page=trktkout&header=off

[sq764]

10 tracks with lowest win pool take-outs (per bris)

Gulfstream Park (GPX) 0.15
Fonner Park (FON) 0.15
Aqueduct (AQU) 0.15
Belmont (BEL) 0.15
Saratoga (SAR) 0.15
Bay Meadows (BMX) 0.1543
Del Mar (DMR) 0.1543
Golden Gate Fields (GGX) 0.1543
Hollywood Park (HOL) 0.1543
Santa Anita (SAX) 0.1543
And then Penn National rolls with their 31% takeout on tris and supers
That still amazes me

[sq764]

Still gotta give big props to Sam Houston for the best value in all of horseracing - the 12% takeout rolling pick 3's

[formula_2002]

And then Penn National rolls with their 31% takeout on tris and supers
That still amazes me
What really amazes me is that people can bet into a 25% take, over come the take and make a profit...
The magic of it all!! :bang:

[kenwoodallpromos]

What formula does one use to determine how much lousier (my) handicapping can be to still break even at 12% vs. 31% (I'm serious)?
Should newbies or someone like me who is lousy at exotics try Sam Houston to learn the ropes?

[formula_2002]

What formula does one use to determine how much lousier (my) handicapping can be to still break even at 12% vs. 31% (I'm serious)?
Should newbies or someone like me who is lousy at exotics try Sam Houston to learn the ropes?
The sum of the booking percentages on a 12% take is 1/(1-.12)= 1.136
(The total book % in a race is the sum 1/(odds+1))
To break even, you have to out-perform the public by 13.6%.Example; Eliminating the take, a 3-1 shot has a book % of 1/(3+1)= .25
With a 12% take the book % is .25 X 1.13 = .2825, which adjust the odds downward to 2.53-1
To break even (2.53 x (.25*1.136) –(1-.2825))= 0..

In a 25 % take, you have to out-perform the public by 33% just to break even..
what an easy game.. ;)

PS, I have to see if Crist covered that point in his book.

[Buddha]

Still gotta give big props to Sam Houston for the best value in all of horseracing - the 12% takeout rolling pick 3's

And Retama

[kenwoodallpromos]

THANK YOU! I always figured at 20% average take it was 25% better trhan the crowd; You put out the exact range of numbers for me and it really hit the mark! The numbers suggest the % of outperforming goes up more dramatically as the take goes up.
Now my curiousity is up about European lay bets; and how much betting would be done if a track decided to do a promotion by holding a race in which NO takeout is taken out!

[sq764]

And Retama
This link had the takeout for Retama at 25%

[Cloud man]

I noticed last night that the trackdata systems program has the Retama take out on DD,pick3,and pick4 bets at 12%.:ThmbUp:

[schweitz]

I noticed last night that the trackdata systems program has the Retama take out on DD,pick3,and pick4 bets at 12%.:ThmbUp:

This is correct.

[chickenhead]

It looks like Retama is 25% on P4 (looking at the pays vs. pool), anyone care to doublecheck?


The DD and P3 do look to be 12% tho :ThmbUp:

[Anderon]

This should be of help to everyone !! This list was last updated on March 31,2006 !! :ThmbUp:

[chickenhead]

where did you get that? Some of those don't look right.

Wouldn't you think Equibase would have a master list posted somewhere that is kept up to date?

[Anderon]

Hey Chickenhead how ya been? I got that from Brisnet

[schweitz]

Hey Chickenhead how ya been? I got that from Brisnet

Brisnet needs to update their list.

[Anderon]

Here is the link to brisnet....http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/static.cgi?page=trktkout&header=off