View Full Version : Lost in the Fog - Sad news
PaceAdvantage
08-16-2006, 10:14 AM
I suppose all the naysayers this year, and all those who proclaimed that Gilchrist was making shit up should turn around now and walk away with their collective tails between their legs:
Mass in Lost in the Fog Believed to be Cancer (http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=34885)
Doctors at the University of California-Davis veterinary school, through a stomach sonogram, have found a mass in Lost in the Fog's spleen that they suspect is a lymphoma, according to Greg Gilchrist, who trains last year's Eclipse Award-winning sprinter. More... (http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=34885)
46zilzal
08-16-2006, 10:18 AM
shades of Mistrer Frisky. Let's hope it's benign.
kenwoodallpromos
08-16-2006, 11:40 AM
No a matter of making stuff up, just not letting bettors know he was less than 100%. This diagnosis obviously means Gilchrist did not know exactly what was wrong. I'm hoping for the best.
Gilchrist said he thought it could be colic and decided to run him in his last race anyway.
chickenhead
08-16-2006, 12:05 PM
Gilchrist said he thought it could be colic and decided to run him in his last race anyway.
Actually that is not what he said. The horse was being treated for colic on Sunday...no one thought he was collicy before the race, they were worried about his feet before the race.
Really unfortunate, hope he gets some good treatment.
Cesario!
08-16-2006, 01:42 PM
Wow. This is really sad news. Is this a really uncommon thing for horses?
Hoping for the best.
Wiley
08-16-2006, 01:45 PM
Sorry to read this. Just another reminder these guys are just flesh and blood and can have other problems besides race related injuries.
Wondering if his appearance changed much this year from last on the track? I haven't followed the horse this year but would guess a cantalope sized tumor in the spleen would take it's toll on feed schedules and effect how the horse looked.
46zilzal
08-16-2006, 06:06 PM
Wow. This is really sad news. Is this a really uncommon thing for horses?
Other that died of CA: Bold Ruler, Easy Goer.
kenwoodallpromos
08-16-2006, 06:23 PM
Actually that is not what he said. The horse was being treated for colic on Sunday...no one thought he was collicy before the race, they were worried about his feet before the race.
Really unfortunate, hope he gets some good treatment.
I stand corrected, and will just be concerned for current problem.
DJofSD
08-16-2006, 06:42 PM
Horses get cancer just like every other animal.
The grey's have a tendency to get skin cancer more than other color horses.
CryingForTheHorses
08-16-2006, 06:59 PM
What a horrible thing to happen..IF he has a operation,Im sure he wont run again.Horses life is at stake now. Lets hope the vets can do as good a job on him.
This is such sad news! Its good that his trainer said that they'd do everything possible to save his life though, even trying extreme measures like they're doing for Barbaro. It's nice when a racehorse is so loved by their owners that they are willing to do anything to save them.
I thought that he didn't look quite right in his last race, especially during the post parade. I thought he looked kind of sweaty and off. The cancer must have been growing for a while to get that big! I guess its the same as people with cancer, alot of people say that they just didn't feel right before they were diagnosed, but didn't get testing until they really felt bad. Horses don't always show their pain until it is severe. I really feel bad thinking that he probably ran his last races while sick with cancer.
I never really got into the debate about Lost in the Fog and whether or not he was as great as some thought. I didn't really know much about him until he had won a bunch of races and never really watched the replays of his first victories. I thought he was very impressive and game in beating Egg Head in the Riva Ridge last year. I guess the growing cancer caused him to slow down in his latest starts.
I hope there is some good news about him soon and that his cancer turns out to be treatable.
DJofSD
08-19-2006, 10:33 AM
Just heard the cancer has spread and LITF will have to be put down.
JPinMaryland
08-19-2006, 12:06 PM
dammit...saw him run in that Riva Ridge race I guess it was. We were so impressed. what a shame.
litf was a freak last year.
I just heard on TVG about the euthinasia - very sad news.
I had never heard of a horse having cancer before.
Tough year for our game - LITF, Barbaro, multiple breakdown reports at several tracks....we could sure use some GOOD news about now.
Sundown
08-19-2006, 08:47 PM
Here is a link to a couple of slide shows of LITF at youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4aIk9iqvGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFVJUNGu9xA&NR
This sucks
bigmack
08-19-2006, 10:28 PM
I didn't follow his rise as some did and made the misfortune of heeding those around me that said he wasn't of noble blood and didn't deserve the accolades that were thrown his way.
I just watched every single one of his races and he had a push that never backed up. His drive was all his record shows.
Man what a BIG will to win!
See ya fighter - Thanks for the drive.
toetoe
08-19-2006, 11:10 PM
:(
I heard Sam "Burning" Spear interviewing Greg "Don't Call Me Cookie" Gilchrist today at 8:00 a.m. on KNBR, and Greg was resigned to the inoperable cancer as well as I could ever expect. I think they plan to parade him at GGF or BM once before he goes. :ThmbUp:
Hey, about a year ago, 'Fog and Egg Head hooked up in a good one, and soon both will have died very very young.
Again ... :(
PaceAdvantage
08-20-2006, 01:49 AM
Current news -- no public appearance planned:
Lost in the Fog's condition terminal (http://thoroughbredtimes.com/todaysnews/newsview.asp?recno=65804&subsec=1)
Diagnostic tests performed Friday on champion sprinter Lost in the Fog at the University of California-Davis veterinary school revealed the worst-case scenario as the cancerous mass detected earlier this week in the four-year-old colt's spleen was not confined to that area and university doctors said that his condition is terminal.
Lost in the Fog to return home Sunday, no public appearance planned (http://thoroughbredtimes.com/todaysnews/newsview.asp?recno=65839&subsec=1)
A spokesman for Bay Meadows Race Course said Saturday that Lost in the Fog was scheduled to return to trainer Greg Gilchrist's barn at Golden Gate Fields on Sunday.
Jockey Baze recalls the rush of riding Lost in the Fog (http://thoroughbredtimes.com/todaysnews/newsview.asp?recno=65838&subsec=1)
A finely tuned Italian sports car on four legs with an explosive engine, champion sprinter Lost in the Fog provided jockey Russell Baze with quite a ride for the last two years.
JustRalph
08-20-2006, 10:41 AM
On the conference call the trainer said, "No way" to the post parade. He said the horse doesn't look up to snuff and he wasn't going to leave his last memory in peoples minds.......as a sick horse. I am paraphrasing.....but that is basically what he said.
PlanB
08-20-2006, 11:08 AM
Amazingly sad news. I'm glad that LITF is not going on display but just
be kept quiet & relaxed in his surroundings. He was a great warrior.
I'm surprised the TG guys haven't claim this horse bounced to cancer.
JPinMaryland
08-20-2006, 12:15 PM
what happened to Egghead? I guess I missed that.
Egg Head died last summer.
classhandicapper
08-22-2006, 05:45 PM
Very sad end for a fine horse. I can't recall a better 3YO sprint compaign in my lifetime other than perhaps Housebuster. We'll never know if he was capable of developing further. :(
DJofSD
08-23-2006, 01:04 AM
I would think they'd try to cover some mare's before LITF was too sick to perform. He is a whole horse still, isn't he?
Wikipedia entry. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_in_the_Fog)
PaceAdvantage
08-23-2006, 01:23 AM
I would think they'd try to cover some mare's before LITF was too sick to perform. He is a whole horse still, isn't he?
Wikipedia entry. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_in_the_Fog)
I would think that would be the height of insensitivity and greed. In other words, it will never happen.
DJofSD
08-23-2006, 01:29 AM
I can appreciate most would view it as insensitive. But, nonetheless, if there's a chance to 'pass on the genes' what harm would come from it?
Wouldn't cancer be hereditary? Of course I don't mean the foal might have it, but the chance of contracting it would be increased I would think.
bigmack
08-23-2006, 01:45 AM
the chance of contracting it would be increased I would think
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/horsecare/1370/58078.html
DJofSD
08-23-2006, 02:09 AM
Wouldn't cancer be hereditary? Of course I don't mean the foal might have it, but the chance of contracting it would be increased I would think.
Hopefully, zz will contribute.
As far as humans are concerned, I'm aware there are certain genetic predispositions to certain diseases. Off the top of my head, I recall there being epidemiological studies done on women and breast cancer that show a high correlation in sisters. I think that also might be true of sickle-cell anemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle-cell_disease) .
I would strongly suspect it wouldn't be to much different in equines. Sure, there are probably some recessive genes that in certain matings might result in the offspring contracting a malidy but I don't think that level of understanding exists for the equine genome.
I think if LITF is interested in covering a mare, he should be allowed to breed.
Hey, given a chance to have sex before you knew you would die, wouldn't that be a great way to go out?
JustRalph
08-23-2006, 12:55 PM
Hey, given a chance to have sex before you knew you would die, wouldn't that be a great way to go out?
You have obviously never met my first wife!!! :lol:
I am with CJ on this one. My father died of lung cancer and I sat thru a meeting with the doctor on how My brother and I don't have to worry about my fathers cancer being one that a family line can be prone to. My Fathers was referred to as "a garden variety cancer with no known hereditary risks"
46zilzal
08-23-2006, 12:58 PM
I recall there being epidemiological studies done on women and breast cancer that show a high correlation in sisters. I think that also might be true of sickle-cell anemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle-cell_disease) .
the "Sickling trait" is a well established genetic link. It is assumed to have been a mutation that allowed some to survive malaria and then having Darwin's selective pressure, those people survived and had offspring making that trait be "selected."
on the 2nd note: the vast majority of cancers are not inheirtable, but the genetic dispostions are. Some cancers make people more suseptible if they react with the same environmental carcinogens, i.e. a long history of smoking for example. My late wife's brother and sister died of lung problems and the entire family was being checked for certain lung enzymes which are known to be a precursor to the tendency to get cancer. Jury however is still out.
JustRalph
08-23-2006, 04:42 PM
the "Sickling trait" is a well established genetic link. It is assumed to have been a mutation that allowed some to survive malaria and then having Darwin's selective pressure, those people survived and had offspring making that trait be "selected."
on the 2nd note: the vast majority of cancers are not inheirtable, but the genetic dispostions are. Some cancers make people more suseptible if they react with the same environmental carcinogens, i.e. a long history of smoking for example. My late wife's brother and sister died of lung problems and the entire family was being checked for certain lung enzymes which are known to be a precursor to the tendency to get cancer. Jury however is still out.
I'll be damned.............a thread wherein I was genuinely interested in what you had to say.........relevance is a wonderful thing...........just busting your chops doc............ :lol:
bigmack
08-24-2006, 09:45 PM
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=35015
JustRalph
08-25-2006, 01:46 AM
interesting.......... I wonder what drugs?
classhandicapper
08-25-2006, 06:41 PM
Wouldn't cancer be hereditary? Of course I don't mean the foal might have it, but the chance of contracting it would be increased I would think.
I believe some types of cancer are somewhat hereditary but others aren't.
My father just won a battle with bladder cancer (at least for the time being). Bladder cancer is all over his side of the family, but the doctors assured me that what my father had is not hereditary (most likely from smoking). I had myself checked out anyway.
Colon cancer is also in my family. I believe that kind is more likely to be hereditary. So I got myself checked out for that also, at a younger age than the typical person should get a colonoscopy etc...
bigmack
08-27-2006, 03:46 PM
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=35041
DJofSD
08-27-2006, 05:26 PM
I believe chemo or surgery are the only two options since radiation is usually unable to be used against a mass found in a horse. Typically such a mass is too deep into the body cavity and the amount/strength of the radiation needed would end up killing the horse.
Stevie Belmont
09-18-2006, 01:19 PM
He stayed on as long as he could. Too bad.
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=35355
CryingForTheHorses
09-18-2006, 05:54 PM
Very sad news..I was beginniing to have hope for him.RIP "Foggy" :( :(
I'm so sad about Lost in the Fog. He managed to survive a whole month after his diagnosis and I'm sure he was given a wonderful month with lots of love and attention. My prayers are with Mr. Gilchrist and Mr. Aleo on the loss of their beautiful champion. :(
SmartyParty
09-18-2006, 07:09 PM
RIP, Foggy!
On TVG, they said that Greg Gilchrist will be coming on within a half hour. Its 7:10 eastern time now, so you may want to turn on TVG quick.
LaughAndBeMerry
09-18-2006, 07:37 PM
Sounds like he had a pretty peaceful last month and didn't suffer at the end. Unfortunately that's about all you can ask for in these cases.
Sad, sad story.
BetHorses!
09-18-2006, 11:46 PM
I feel so terrible about this :(
keilan
09-18-2006, 11:55 PM
I loved Lost In The Fog. He was as good of horse as I've seen in a long time.
Like others on this board I've wondered whether he was already sick last October, It really wouldn't surprise me as I truly believed that he was the top sprinter. Of course this is totally irrelevant now but I'd sure like to know the answer to that.
46zilzal
09-19-2006, 12:46 AM
Like others on this board I've wondered whether he was already sick last October, It really wouldn't surprise me as I truly believed that he was the top sprinter. Of course this is totally irrelevant now but I'd sure like to know the answer to that.
To find out IF there was even a hint of correlation, one would have to find out if the tumors found were primary (hemingiosarcomas) or were metasteses from a primary somewhere else. Metastatic CA would hint at having a longer clinical course if this were a human case.
Wiley
09-19-2006, 02:14 PM
Like others on this board I've wondered whether he was already sick last October.
In one of the linked Bloodhorse articles, it was reported doctors thought the three tumors could have been growing for a year, so that would go back to last years BC sprint. One game dude to run as well as he did with such a problem. Sad news.
toetoe
09-19-2006, 07:04 PM
"Cookie" Gilchrist showed much class in his elegy as told to Larry Stumes. Good for you, Greg. :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:
bigmack
09-21-2006, 03:32 AM
I bumped into this and can't vouch for it's qual. Assume it's another stills put to music tribute.
Personally didn't follow LITF - though wish him well in the next chapter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8aNPd7NIfU
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/10/22/PH2005102201555.jpg
PaceAdvantage
10-19-2006, 12:06 AM
This guy was a fighter, that's for sure.....
Fog's Cancer Extensive, Necropsy Reveals (http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=35873)
The deceased champion sprinter Lost in the Fog's cancer was much more extensive than originally believed and most likely had been growing for many months. Results of the necropsy, released Oct. 18, showed a gigantic tumor that compromised several of his internal organs. Blood-Horse (http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=35873)
toetoe
10-19-2006, 12:34 PM
I ran into GG at GGF last Sunday. I gave him a pat on the shoulder and said, "Hang in there," but he half-recoiled as if he expected to be assaulted. That was my bad, actually. These guys are pretty private, and who knows what imagined wrongs disgruntled bettors are out to right?
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