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Cesario!
06-23-2006, 09:39 PM
So, today in Monmouth's sixth race, it was slated for "non-winners of two lifetime." There also were the typical weight restrictions, and the qualification that races of a certain level aren't considered. But, there were several horses in the race that had won two and had done so at a higher level. I'm confused.

The race was labeled at a clm7500b, not as a clm7500n2l. I normally play Belmont and Delaware and haven't seen this. What does the "b" mean, and is it related to the horses not meeting the conditions?

Seth

Dave
06-23-2006, 10:29 PM
FOURTH (condition book 4th, not actual 4th) RACE CLAIMING
PURSE $12,000. FOR THREE YEAR OLDS OR FOUR YEAR OLDS AND UPWARD
WHICH HAVE NEVER WON TWO RACES.
Three Year Olds 120 lbs. Older 124 lbs.
Non-winners of a race since April 24 2 lbs.
CLAIMING PRICE $7,500, For Each $500 To $6,500 1 lbs.
(Races where entered for $6,250 or less not considered in allowances)
SIX FURLONGS

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would that be this race?

and were all the horses that won more than 2 races 3 year olds?

Tom
06-23-2006, 10:47 PM
The "b" usually means threes are permited with more lifetime wins than the older horses.

Cesario!
06-23-2006, 10:52 PM
You are an interpretive genius. I read that about twenty times and kept applying the later phrase to the entire sentence. And, to think, I used to work for an appellate court interpreting statutory language.

Thanks!

kenwoodallpromos
06-24-2006, 02:11 AM
If I am correct, the "b" could also mean that a 3 yr old at $6,500 and a 7 lb. "bug" ("b") can carry 109 lbs vs a 124 lb 4 yr old!LOL!
I wonder why horses retire young?
How about writing 2 yr old races only for female jockeys?

RaceIsClosed
06-24-2006, 10:35 AM
If I am correct, the "b" could also mean that a 3 yr old at $6,500 and a 7 lb. "bug" ("b") can carry 109 lbs vs a 124 lb 4 yr old!LOL!
I wonder why horses retire young?
How about writing 2 yr old races only for female jockeys?

Whenever Philadelphia and Delaware want to screw me out of a live DD or P3, they seem to slip one of those "amateur female rider" races in on me.

Doug
06-24-2006, 11:08 AM
[QUOTE=Dave]FOURTH (condition book 4th, not actual 4th) RACE CLAIMING
PURSE $12,000. FOR THREE YEAR OLDS OR FOUR YEAR OLDS AND UPWARD
WHICH HAVE NEVER WON TWO RACES.
Three Year Olds 120 lbs. Older 124 lbs.
Non-winners of a race since April 24 2 lbs.
CLAIMING PRICE $7,500, For Each $500 To $6,500 1 lbs.
(Races where entered for $6,250 or less not considered in allowances)
SIX FURLONGS

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The race is for 3 yr olds. 4 yr olds can enter but only if they have never won 3 races.

Doug

kenwoodallpromos
06-24-2006, 01:52 PM
Are maiden or MCl, starters, claimers, or DQ's counted?

Overlay
06-24-2006, 02:06 PM
If you're referring to the conditions that Doug posted for the sixth at Monmouth, I assume it would mean lifetime unless the conditions said "which have never won two races other than maiden, claiming, or starter". (I don't believe a race where a horse finishes first but is disqualified would count as a win for those purposes.)