Latest of Global Warming from NAS

[Secretariat]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060622/ap_on_sc/global_warming;_ylt=Ak6246YFlC91Hyyv8lb8ehas0NUE;_ ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

Research: Earth running a slight fever
By JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press Writer 34 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The Earth is running a slight fever from greenhouse gases, after enjoying relatively stable temperatures for 2,000 years. The National Academy of Sciences, after reconstructing global average surface temperatures for the past two millennia, said Thursday the data are "additional supporting evidence ... that human activities are responsible for much of the recent warming."

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This study was initiated by a Republican congressman.

[boxcar]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060622/ap_on_sc/global_warming;_ylt=Ak6246YFlC91Hyyv8lb8ehas0NUE;_ ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

This study was initiated by a Republican congressman.

That makes it all fine and dandy, then, doesn't it? Perhaps he's a constipated RINO in desparate need to pass some of his own warm gasses.

Boxcar

[Lefty]

There are 40+ volcano eruptions a yr in this world and they put more particulates in the air than mankind could in a 100 yrs.
There are no humans on other planets yet global warming discovered.

If all the people who blve in this would give up their cars ans A.C.'s i'd have more respect for them.

[bigmack]

Twirl around this site - it's a doozie
http://www.junkscience.com/

[Lefty]

BM, sure is. Here's something that was there.
Waiting for Gore-doh... Since Al Gore was offered the opportunity to facilitate serious debate on the underlying science of global climate change, 5 months, 2 weeks, 4 days, 11 hours, 39 minutes, and 36 seconds have elapsed. Despite milking lucrative speaking engagements and book deals with his global warming schtick he declines any such debate. Perhaps he's afraid of the Real Inconvenient Truth.

[rastajenk]

Even if human activity is responsible for a slight increase, so what? Things change, species adapt or die. What's the downside?

[kenwoodallpromos]

What in your life are doing different as a result? I drive my car about 50 miles per month!

[Lefty]

I don't drive at all. I walk about a mile to the racebook. Been doing it most every day for last 20 yrs. My wife drives her Honda to work and grocery shopping. I bght it new in 1991, just did hit the 50,000 mile mark. Now if Gore and other libs would put their actions where their beliefs are...

[Secretariat]

What in your life are doing different as a result? I drive my car about 50 miles per month!

Good for you kendall, unfortunately as GW says, America is addicted to oil. Well, not quite true. America is addicted to driving, not oil, and would gladly use anything that got them from one place to another efficiently. I drive a hybrid and have since 2002. If I could I'd use an electric car even if it cost more to buy. Just about everyone who had the test cars loved them. An irony is the oil industry bought up many of them.

Lefty, I realize that the National Academy of Science doing a study sponsored by a Republican congressman that confirms the efects of global warming is dishearterning to you. Get your head back in the sand where it belongs. But a faster way would be for you to just send checks directly to the Sheik in Saudi Arabia, and to those CEO's of oil companies raping the American people with thier huge salaries. I realize you don't care and there is no way to wake you up to it, but hopefuly your grandchildren will pay attention and they will be able to live in a world free of toxic fumes which their granddad beleived didn't exist. btw..Lefty, what kind of American are you not buying an American car?

[Lefty]

I could care less who sponsers a dtudy based on junk science. If the world is warming up it's not because of humans. Mars and other planets are warming too and no humans there but no one wants to address that pesky fact.

I am a capitalist american and not a socialist like you, so I don't give a fig what ceo's make. Funny you libs love unuons that constantly boost wages for workers but heaven forbid anybody else make money. And I say that as a man who worked all my life and never been a ceo. But Capitism and property rights have made this country great and uou libs are against both.

My car, was made in Ohio.Last time I looked, that was an American city. The Ohio made Honda is a prime example of foreign jobs coming to America another thing libs who constanty whine about outsourcing never address.

[Secretariat]

I could care less who sponsers a dtudy based on junk science. If the world is warming up it's not because of humans. Mars and other planets are warming too and no humans there but no one wants to address that pesky fact.

I am a capitalist american and not a socialist like you, so I don't give a fig what ceo's make. Funny you libs love unuons that constantly boost wages for workers but heaven forbid anybody else make money. And I say that as a man who worked all my life and never been a ceo. But Capitism and property rights have made this country great and uou libs are against both.

My car, was made in Ohio.Last time I looked, that was an American city. The Ohio made Honda is a prime example of foreign jobs coming to America another thing libs who constanty whine about outsourcing never address.

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[JustRalph]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't know what you find so funny?

I drive 500 miles minimum a week.......and I'll go around the block twice when I get home, just for you Sec............

[hcap]

Lefty,

You have mentioned global warming on other planets a number of times trying to deflect the argument that humans are influencing the situation here. You may have forgotten the famous clash between bugs bunny and Marvin the Martian back in the 50's. Boy did they really HEAT things up. Obviously this invalidates your oh so scientific analysis.

http://www.gargaro.com/mar2.gif

And just so you don't forget my scientific analysis countering yours, put this in your pocket.

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I'm sorry I can't suggest a valid reason as to why our sun may also be affected by dagnabbit human interference, but that may be because you may probably argue "hcap, now now, we all know the sun orbits the earth so what's the point anywho"?

[kenwoodallpromos]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrochemical
Not all about gas and diesel!

[Tom]

Oh, well...if the cartoons say so, it must be true!
:sleeping:

[Lefty]

hcap, not deflecting the argument; including an unexplained phenomen in the argument and when you have no argument you just get silly.

[ljb]

I am a capitalist american and not a socialist like you, so I don't give a fig what ceo's make. Funny you libs love unuons that constantly boost wages for workers but heaven forbid anybody else make money. And I say that as a man who worked all my life and never been a ceo. But Capitism and property rights have made this country great and uou libs are against both.

Lefty,
Here is a little information about what CEO's make.
In 1970 ceo's made about 38 times what workers made, now the make an average 280 times what workers make. In Japan ceo's make about 5 times what workers make.
In 2005 60 of the worst performing companies in America, which lost $769 billion in market value over the last five years, the aggregate pay for the top five executives of those 60 companies over the same period was $12 billion. This figures to be about $8 million a year to excutives who lost more the three-quaters of a trillion dollars in shareholder value.
As you can see, this current form of capitalism is good for some of the few and the mighty but doesn't bode well for most of us.
Perhaps you should show some concern for what ceo's make.

[Tom]

Why?
You gonna pass law about it?
How does that warm up the old globe?
Stay on topic, no matter how wrong topic is! :sleeping:

[Tom]

Do you guys think this global warming stuff is getting to the point that it is serious enought for Ted Kennedy to stop his interference with putting wind farms in his backyard, or do we have a few years yet before it actually has to affect democrats?

Or perhaps we should start drilling off shore, in the gulf, in Alaska, or is Global Warming still not more important than unfounded enviromental issues? Couple years yet here too?

Oh, btw....have they revised Kyoto yet to get rid of the China bye on restrictions, or again, a couple years off?

Let me know when these things move to the top of the list, and I'll crank my air conditioner to 67 instead of 62.
And stop idling my car all night long, just to let the smooth engine sounds lull me to sleep in chilly comfort.

[Lefty]

lbj, i could care less what ceo's make. I blve in capitalism not socialism. I don't blve in minimum wage and I don't blve in putting caps on what people make.

[Bala]

Lefty,
"......Here is a little information about what CEO's make.
In 1970 ceo's made about 38 times what workers made, now the make an average 280 times what workers make. In Japan ceo's make about 5 times what workers make....."
In Japan - have you factored in all stock options that are available to senior management? Have you factored in the enormous expense account at their disposal? Have you factored in free housing for many CEO's?

Capitalism\Socialism is irrelevant. The top always find ways to do better. Fidel Castro, Chavez of Venezuela are both very wealthy men. I wonder, did they earn their wealth?

New York City Mayor, Micheal Bloomberg official salary is $1.00 (one dollar) per year. Must be altruism!?

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Outsource congress to India.

[Lefty]

bala, I disagree that capitalism, socialism is irrelevent. You can't create the amt of millionaires we have in a socialist country. A dictator like Castro is not a good example. How many millionaires does the Cuba have besides him? Capitalism is very relevent. Would people like Henry Ford or a Bill Gates be able to flourish in a socialist country? Both started working from their garages.

[Bala]

Lefty, point taken.

However, the controlling elites under any system, weather it is the Soviet Politburo or our congress and their lavish, virtually infinite health care program --

the elites always seem to find a way to right laws that make their lives easier than the common man. At the expense {taxes} of the comman man.

It sucks but it is human nature. Thomas Jefferson understood human nature sufficiently enough to say "a little revolution now and again is a good thing."

______________________________
Out source congress to India.

[Lefty]

Gee, Bala, I think this is one of those times when we're both right.

[Tom]

Of all the things those bribe takers couldn't agree on this year, they voted themsleve another raise. Bipartisanship needs incentive.
Drag a C note through the streets of DC and you will see both parties come together....in a feeding frenzy.

[Secretariat]

For Lefty,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060627/ap_on_sc/gore_s_science

Scientists OK Gore's movie for accuracy
By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer 1 hour, 20 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The nation's top climate scientists are giving "An Inconvenient Truth," Al Gore's documentary on global warming, five stars for accuracy.

The former vice president's movie — replete with the prospect of a flooded New York City, an inundated Florida, more and nastier hurricanes, worsening droughts, retreating glaciers and disappearing ice sheets — mostly got the science right, said all 19 climate scientists who had seen the movie or read the book and answered questions from The Associated Press

[Tom]

Few ???s about GW:

1. Define a climate scientist.
2. How do you mesure the temperature of the planet?
a) how many data points?
b) where are they taken?
c) when are they taken?
3. How is the average temp calculated?
4. What methodology verifies the cause and effect relationships?
5. What methods were used to factor out natural cycles - given that hurrikanes seem to com ein 30 year cycles, and the current severe variety have occurred years ago, how is the effect of GW on curent weather seperated from historical facts?
6. Why should China be given a pass on the Kyoto Standards?

If you guys want me to swallow this crap, it will be with facts, not political
ideoloiges. Do you gus know any of this, are are you lemmings, cherry picking your scientists to believe?

Thanks in advance for you attention to this serious matter.

[dav4463]

For Lefty,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060627/ap_on_sc/gore_s_science

Scientists OK Gore's movie for accuracy
By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer 1 hour, 20 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The nation's top climate scientists are giving "An Inconvenient Truth," Al Gore's documentary on global warming, five stars for accuracy.

The former vice president's movie — replete with the prospect of a flooded New York City, an inundated Florida, more and nastier hurricanes, worsening droughts, retreating glaciers and disappearing ice sheets — mostly got the science right, said all 19 climate scientists who had seen the movie or read the book and answered questions from The Associated Press

http://www.epw.senate.gov/pressitem.cfm?party=rep&id=257909

Now for the rest of the story.....

[Secretariat]

http://www.epw.senate.gov/pressitem.cfm?party=rep&id=257909

Now for the rest of the story.....

The rest of the story? lol...who chairs the committe that you quote:

"U.S. Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works" - None other than Senator James Inhofe, who is hand picked by Exxon, to regularly declaim that global warming is a "great hoax" and continually touts out the same spew. Don't be fooled by this release from an extremely partisan senator for the oil companies.

The vast preponderance of scientists are arrayed against the skeptics like inhofe, including the following organizations: American Meteorological Society, NOAA, U.S. National Academy of Sciences, NASA, EPA, American Geophysical Union, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Royal Society of the United Kingdom, United Nations IPCC, and the Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society. Even Saudi Arabians think it would be wise to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

Now, that's the rest of the story....

[Lefty]

sec, sec, if you really blve humans cause Global Warming you will immediately turn off your Air conditioner...
sec, I can hear it humming...
While you're at it, pull the plug on your fridge.

[cratman]

There was a recent hearing on CEO pay in Congress. They explored how to beter align CEO pay with the interests of shareholders. Many of those who testified, who had capitalist credentials, noted that CEO pay is frequently negotiated by individuals who were appointed by the CEO. They noted that this is different than how the pay of sports stars who negotiate with individual team owners is determined in that every dollar is paid out of the team owner's pocket, which means that pay and performance tend to be more closely correlated in these cases.

[Tom]

Sec, when are you going to address my 6 questions?
Surely youhave the answers ar hand, no?

"AP chose to ignore the scores of scientists who have harshly criticized the science presented in former Vice President Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth.”

Add Q7 - why are these scinetists wrong and yours right?

[Snag]

I have no idea where this is going. Either someone is smoking the funny stuff or I have not had enough to drink tonight........:confused:

[Secretariat]

Sec, when are you going to address my 6 questions?
Surely youhave the answers ar hand, no?

"AP chose to ignore the scores of scientists who have harshly criticized the science presented in former Vice President Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth.”

Add Q7 - why are these scinetists wrong and yours right?

First off there are not "scores" of scientists, there are the regular James Inhofe, Exxon Senator, who has a vested poltical interest in finding a few scientists who would sell their soul to the devil. There's always a few. Why don't you address the number of scientific organizations listed in my earlier post ,including the American Meterological society and the National Association of Science, and the fact that the study by NAS was made by a Republican...wake up and smell the coffee. Perhaps you still beleive second hand smoke has no harmful effects even though GW's Surgeon General says otherwise. Or you can stick with Lefty. The great majority of scientists from MIT to Princeton disagree with Inhofe's oil scientists.

[Tom]

first off there are not "scores" of scientists, there are the regular James Inhofe, Exxon Senator, who has a vested poltical interest in finding a fw scientits who would seel their soul to the devil. There's always a few. Why don't you address the number of scientific organizations listed in my earlier post ,incluiding the American Meterological society and the National Association of Science, and the fact that the study by NAS was made by a Republican...wake up and smell the coffee. Perhaps you still beleive second hand smoke has no harmful effects even though GW's Surgeon General says otherwise. Or you can stick with Lefty.

Can't answer them, huh?

[Secretariat]

Can't answer them, huh?

That's your response. :bang: :bang: :bang:

[Tom]

THAT was my answer?
Wow. You must have sucked on your SATs in the essay part!:rolleyes:

"Describe the circulatory system."

Sec: Grey's Anatomy. 3rd Edition. That's your answer!:lol:

[Mike at A+]

I'm just wondering if the same nut jobs would be complaining if the earth had COOLED one degree over the last century? I'm sure Al Gore would make a movie claiming that the ice caps were getting bigger and that the earth would eventually spin off its axis because of it.

[so.cal.fan]

A very bright scientist who lives here in Sierra Madre works at JPL in Pasadena.....they did the Mars probes.
He told me that the earth's warming is due to solar magnetic surface cycles, not pollution, and he doesn't subscribe to the "greenhouse" gas earth warming theory.
Over the years this man has been very credible, every time there is a wild theory about something happening in outer space, I always ask him, and he has always given me the correct answer.
It is just one man's opinion, of course, but he is a pretty damn knowledgeable man. Not everyone has a job helping put a space craft on the planet Mars.

[Lefty]

A very bright scientist who lives here in Sierra Madre works at JPL in Pasadena.....they did the Mars probes.
He told me that the earth's warming is due to solar magnetic surface cycles, not pollution, and he doesn't subscribe to the "greenhouse" gas earth warming theory.
Over the years this man has been very credible, every time there is a wild theory about something happening in outer space, I always ask him, and he has always given me the correct answer.
It is just one man's opinion, of course, but he is a pretty damn knowledgeable man. Not everyone has a job helping put a space craft on the planet Mars.
It just proves, as we continually get these dissenting scientists viewpoints, that the scientific community is NOT in agreement on global warming and/or its causes. Just another Gore and co. lie.