be careful!

[46zilzal]

G.O.P. Plan Would Allow Spying Without Warrants

By Scott Shane and David D. Kirkpatrick / New York Times

WASHINGTON, March 8 — The plan by Senate Republicans to step up oversight of the National Security Agency's domestic surveillance program would also give legislative sanction for the first time to long-term eavesdropping on Americans without a court warrant, legal experts said on Wednesday.

Civil liberties advocates called the proposed oversight inadequate and the licensing of eavesdropping without warrants unnecessary and unwise. But the Republican senators who drafted the proposal said it represented a hard-wrung compromise with the White House, which strongly opposed any Congressional interference in the eavesdropping program.

The Republican proposal appeared likely to win approval from the full Senate, despite Democratic opposition and some remaining questions from Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania and chairman of the Judiciary Committee.

[rastajenk]

Since we just learned from the Ports Deal that all A-rabs have terrorist links and can't be trusted, why is this a bad thing? :confused:


:cool:

[46zilzal]

where does it end?

[Lefty]

46, where does your Bush Bashing end? You don't believe the pres when he says we will be spying on terrorists but you're willing to blve anything bad about him.

[46zilzal]

46, where does your Bush Bashing end? You don't believe the pres when he says we will be spying on terrorists but you're willing to blve anything bad about him.
Given his track record, if he told me that grass was green, i would have to see many samples of said plant before I believed a WORD he said

[Lefty]

That's fine. Just slip bk into your utopian dream and keep on with your own lie that you're neutral.

[GaryG]

That's fine. Just slip bk into your utopian dream and keep on with your own lie that you're neutral.The NY Times is neutral too, right?

[46zilzal]

That's fine. Just slip bk into your utopian dream and keep on with your own lie that you're neutral.
NEVER NEVER NEVER neutral about the RUTBAGA: the biggest idiot ever suffered on the population in my lifetime

[GaryG]

the biggest idiot ever suffered on the population in my lifetimeIn that case, could you please share your feelings on Louis Farrakhan?

[46zilzal]

that fellow was never elected to a position where he could make a BIG BIG difference like the vegetable head rutabaga

[GaryG]

that fellow was never elected to a position where he could make a BIG BIG difference like the vegetable head rutabagaAh, the name calling continues. I knew I would get the chance: You are a French bred son of Phone Trick!

[46zilzal]

I'm mild compared to some:

Cheney and [Iran's] Ahmadinejad play 'winner take all." Thanks to the criminal dishonesty and gross incompetence of Cheney, his fellow "cabal-mate," Rumsfeld, a sycophantic Condoleezza Rice and their "Bubble-boy President," George W. Bush, the debacle crafted in Iraq by America's war party has strengthened both the position and confidence of Iran - not only in Iraq, but throughout the Middle East. Moreover, America's debacle in Iraq has emboldened Ahmadinejad -- Cheney's ultraconservative "double" -- to contemplate a clash of civilizations aimed at the eradication of Israel. Now, both bloodthirsty megalomaniacs seem ready to wage war.

For Cheney - and, thus, for Rumsfeld, Rice and their "Bubble-boy" -- the pretexts for war will be Iran's pursuit of the bomb and its "putting people into Iraq to do things that are harmful to the future of Iraq." [Rumsfeld, 7 March 2006] To be persuasive, however, they must once again count on the patriotic suspension of disbelief by the mainstream news media and widespread public ignorance of foreign affairs, both of which served them so well during the run-up to war in Iraq.

Ahmadinejad waxes confident in the knowledge that Iran's oil can be leveraged against the American economy, that virtually all Iranians will unite behind him in the event of a U.S. attack, that America's conventional military forces have been stretched to the breaking point and that an attack on Iran might ignite a Middle East explosion that destroys Israel....

[GaryG]

Cheney and [Iran's] an attack on Iran might ignite a Middle East explosion that destroys Israel....Israel is not going to be destroyed by a bunch of camel jockeys...trust me. If anything it will be the other way around. Check the history of recent conflicts involving Israel. The Jews kick ass immediately, no drawn out conflicts. You are neutral right? If Israel joined in the fighting the camel jockeys would be ex camel jockeys. And you would be neutral right?

[46zilzal]

Israel is not going to be destroyed by a bunch of camel jockeys...trust me. If anything it will be the other way around. Check the history of recent conflicts involving Israel. The Jews kick ass immediately, no drawn out conflicts. You are neutral right? If Israel joined in the fighting the camel jockeys would be ex camel jockeys. And you would be neutral right?
neutral in the silly Iraq war. it doesn't transcend to everything else

[Tom]

neutral in the silly Iraq war. it doesn't transcend to everything else

I would say your use of the word silly pretty much disqualifies your claim to be neutral - it takes a position.

[46zilzal]

I would say your use of the word silly pretty much disqualifies your claim to be neutral - it takes a position.
I would use that term for about 80% of all wars and still want nothing to do with the outcome.

[Lefty]

Tom, it's easy to ascertain that zilly isn't neutral on anything. He's just another socialist trying to fly under different colors.

[ljb]

I'm mild compared to some:

Cheney and [Iran's] Ahmadinejad play 'winner take all." Thanks to the criminal dishonesty and gross incompetence of Cheney, his fellow "cabal-mate," Rumsfeld, a sycophantic Condoleezza Rice and their "Bubble-boy President," George W. Bush, the debacle crafted in Iraq by America's war party has strengthened both the position and confidence of Iran - not only in Iraq, but throughout the Middle East. Moreover, America's debacle in Iraq has emboldened Ahmadinejad -- Cheney's ultraconservative "double" -- to contemplate a clash of civilizations aimed at the eradication of Israel. Now, both bloodthirsty megalomaniacs seem ready to wage war.

For Cheney - and, thus, for Rumsfeld, Rice and their "Bubble-boy" -- the pretexts for war will be Iran's pursuit of the bomb and its "putting people into Iraq to do things that are harmful to the future of Iraq." [Rumsfeld, 7 March 2006] To be persuasive, however, they must once again count on the patriotic suspension of disbelief by the mainstream news media and widespread public ignorance of foreign affairs, both of which served them so well during the run-up to war in Iraq.

Ahmadinejad waxes confident in the knowledge that Iran's oil can be leveraged against the American economy, that virtually all Iranians will unite behind him in the event of a U.S. attack, that America's conventional military forces have been stretched to the breaking point and that an attack on Iran might ignite a Middle East explosion that destroys Israel....

Easy does it here 46, This is the type of reality that brings about name calling from Bush supporters on this board. They just can't stand it. :D

[Lefty]

lbj, zilly flatly states he wants nothing to do with any war. That's reality? That's 12 yr old nonsense.

[ljb]

lbj, zilly flatly states he wants nothing to do with any war. That's reality? That's 12 yr old nonsense.
Lefty,
The reality I was referring to was in 46's post. His thoughts regarding wars are not of consequence here.
However, I will give you credit for an attempt at spinning off topic here.

[Lefty]

Yeah, I know. Better read again, busddy bpy. In HIS POST he said he wanted nothing to do with the outcome of any war. It is relevant. Don't spin yourself into the ground. The rest of his post mostly his opinion and is prime bovine excrement too.