denying reality yet again

[46zilzal]

Bush denies Iraq heading toward civil war

By Matt Spetalnick / Reuters

WASHINGTON - President George W. Bush, hit by polls showing America's support for the Iraq war at an all-time low, denied on Tuesday Iraq was sliding into civil war, despite the worst sectarian strife since a U.S. invasion.

The decline in Bush's public approval ratings came as he told Iraqis they faced a choice between "chaos or unity" amid violence that has dented U.S. hopes for the stability needed to pave the way for a U.S. troop withdrawal.

At least 60 people were killed in Baghdad on Tuesday in the latest in a series of deadly attacks following the bombing of a major Shi'ite mosque last week.

Asked what Washington would do if civil war broke out in Iraq, Bush told ABC News: "I don't buy your premise that there's going to be a civil war."

[46zilzal]

Ex-intelligence officials say Iraq warnings ignored

Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld dismissed suggestions that the insurgency would get worse, they said.

By Warren P. Strobel and Jonathan S. Landay / Philadelphia Inquirer

WASHINGTON - U.S. intelligence agencies repeatedly warned the White House beginning more than two years ago that the insurgency in Iraq had deep local roots, was likely to worsen, and could lead to civil war, according to former senior intelligence officials who helped craft the reports.

Among the warnings, the Inquirer Washington Bureau has learned, was a National Intelligence Estimate completed in October 2003 that concluded that the insurgency was fueled by local conditions - not foreign terrorists - and drew strength from deep grievances, including one against the presence of U.S. troops.

[46zilzal]

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/24/151558/500
http://mediamatters.org/items/200602240003

I could only bear to stay tuned to Fox News for a few minutes, but in that few minutes, I heard the Republican-friendly Fox News commentator actually proposing that a civil war would be just what Iraq needs, because it would give the Iraq government the chance to finally stand up and be responsible for imposing order on the country. It was a real mind trip for me to hear the Republicans depicting the Iraqis as Welfare Queens, who were suffering under war only because America was trying to help them out. The Republicans were the ones who suggested invading and occupying Iraq in the first place so I’m not sure who they found to blame.

[Tom]

Wow. A triple from someone who calims to be "neutral."

How many can we expect when we capture Bin Laden? :rolleyes: :bang:

[betchatoo]

Wow. A triple from someone who calims to be "neutral."

How many can we expect when we capture Bin Laden? :rolleyes: :bang:

By the time we capture Bin Laden one of Bush' duaghters will be president

[Lefty]

46, shame on GW for being positive.
Bet, we may not have him, but like Saddam, he's in a hole somewhere.

[Tom]

He came out on February 2nd and saw his shadow - 6 more weeks of jihad!

[Secretariat]

46, shame on GW for being positive.


You forgot to finish the sentence Lefty....positively wrong.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[hcap]

What Bush Was Told About Iraq

http://hotstory.nationaljournal.com/articles/0302nj1.htm

"The disclosure that Bush was informed of the DOE and State dissents is the first evidence that the president himself knew of the sharp debate within the government over the aluminum tubes during the time that he, Cheney, and other members of the Cabinet were citing the tubes as clear evidence of an Iraqi nuclear program. Neither the president nor the vice president told the public about the disagreement among the agencies.

... The second classified report, delivered to Bush in early January 2003, was also a summary of a National Intelligence Estimate, this one focusing on whether Saddam would launch an unprovoked attack on the United States, either directly, or indirectly by working with terrorists.

The report stated that U.S. intelligence agencies unanimously agreed that it was unlikely that Saddam would try to attack the United States -- except if "ongoing military operations risked the imminent demise of his regime" or if he intended to "extract revenge" for such an assault, according to records and sources. "

[Tom]

:sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:

True or not, this is 2006 and it is no longer relevant to anything.
We are there and that is all that matters.

[Lefty]

You forgot to finish the sentence Lefty....positively wrong.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Not yet, Mr Negative

[Bala]

[QUOTE=Tom]"....How many can we expect when we capture Bin Laden....."
__________________________________________________ __________

My guess and it's only a guess -- is that OBL is protected by the hard liners in
the Saudi Royal Family.

The virulent form of Islam in Saudi Arabia is called Wahhabism. It could not
survive without the financial and moral support of the hard liners in the family.

Oh what a world - if only we could wean ourselves off of black gold.

[hcap]

Tom :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:
True or not, this is 2006 and it is no longer relevant to anything.
We are there and that is all that matters.Bull.

What matters is that Bush and Cheney were specifically told in advance of the war that:

1. The aluminum tubes/nuclear program claim was suspect;

2. It was unlikely Saddam would attack the US directly or through Al Qaeda;

Who told Bush these things? The intelligence community, and specifically George Tenet in person told Bush these things.

There goes the "I was misled by the intel community" defense.
Look drop the cargo cult bush fearless leader admiration society.

Tom, you recognize bushs' false crap in other ways. What if he lied us into war? Wouldn't that be far worse than lying about a bj?

[Tom]

Bala posted:
My guess and it's only a guess -- is that OBL is protected by the hard liners in
the Saudi Royal Family.

Yes-I believe for a while, he was hidden in those roving palaces used the House of Sh, er, Suad :rolleyes: and now he is being protected by our alleged ally Pakistan.
This is NOt a group of radical islamics - it is mainstream islam who is behind OBL and his twisting of the Koran to fit his political agenda. There are no borders with our enemy.

Hcap posted:
Tom, you recognize bushs' false crap in other ways. What if he lied us into war? Wouldn't that be far worse than lying about a bj?

No. I was and still am in favor of the invasion - I am only against our lack of follow through. We should have obliterated Iraq fro the start. I don't care if he lied or not - the basic premise is and wass we had to take ooit SH - whatever means neccessary. If we had to mislead the empty-headed dems to do it, so be it. Sometimes you have to lie to get things done. But by now, we should have completed the mission and taken out Syrai or Iran. It appears that once SH was captured and Bush 41 was avenged, 43 lost interest. I do not feel what we are doing there now is worth the price. Poop or get off the pot. We got bigger fish to kill.

[Lefty]

How many times do you have to be told that Bush did not lie about the war. He got intel not only from Tenet but from the Brits and all around the world? Dems came to the conclusion that Saddam was a danger before Bush even took office; so quit promulgating the crap about comparing the war to a bj. Clinton lied to a judge and denoed Paula Jones her day in court. It's called Perjury and many people have been jailed for doing the same thing.

[Light]

Yea right Lefty. Intelligence people who refused to fall into line with the Iraq is a threat policy were intentionally ignored.

There was pre war intelligence that stated everything that has come to pass including Powell's "You break it you own it" statement. According to U.S. News & World Report, President Bush's reaction to a pessimistic report from the C.I.A.'s Baghdad station chief was to remark, "What is he, some kind of defeatist?"

There were plenty of reports.Bush just cherry picked em. Them cherries are getting a little sour now.

[46zilzal]

we all know that the rutabaga walks on water to you lefty

[Lefty]

light, The prevailing intel was that Saddam was a danger; guess what, he was, isn't now. Cherry pick? If he hadn't listened to his intel and it turned out to be true you libs would be calling him stupid all over again. He can't do anything right; according to you. Thanks to him, we're safer.

46, and we know you are anything but neutral and a Bush hater nonparell.

[46zilzal]

46, and we know you are anything but neutral and a Bush hater nonparell.
I don't hate anyone just pity this fool as he is taking a reckless completely inane course and just forgetting a little thing called reality and in the process getting a bunch of young people killed who would be better served getting an education.

When I was young and stupidier than I am now, I wasted a lot of time and effort hating Milhous Nixon. Found it did nothing for me. Now, with this CLOWN, it is far easier to just point out his myriad shortcomings.

[46zilzal]

arrogance personified

[Lefty]

46, you're not fooling anyone. We know who you are. To call Bush stupid is stupid in itself when you look objectively at his achievements. But it's something you are incapable of doing. The stupid cartoon from a liberal cartoonist, proves my point.

[46zilzal]

46, you're not fooling anyone. We know who you are. To call Bush stupid is stupid in itself when you look objectively at his achievements. But it's something you are incapable of doing. The stupid cartoon from a liberal cartoonist, proves my point.

Achievements? he would have to look that word up to understand it! Even then those three functioning neruons would have to seach hard for one another to make anything close to a synapse.

[Lefty]

46, another non-post, just insults. You don't keep insulting a man like you do unless you hate. I have listed his achievements many times but haters like you, with your socialist ideology, your dreamy utopian views, just don't want to recognize them.

[46zilzal]

Let's face it: A man who cannot talk about education without making a humiliating grammatical mistake ("The illiteracy level of our children are appalling"); who cannot keep straight the three branches of government ("It's the executive branch's job to interpret law"); who coins ridiculous words ("Hispanos," "arbolist," "subliminable," "resignate," "transformationed"); who habitually says the opposite of what he intends ("the death tax is good for people from all walks of life!") sounds like a grade-A imbecile.

[46zilzal]

46, another non-post, just insults. You don't keep insulting a man like you do unless you hate. I have listed his achievements many times but haters like you, with your socialist ideology, your dreamy utopian views, just don't want to recognize them.
the rutabaga's greatest achievement will be his retirement

[Lefty]

He's no slick talker but his actions speak louder than words. Let's face it, 46, a conservative can do no right in your view. You'd rather have a slicktalker, a phony like Clinton, who even now tries to play both sides of issues. Bush sees one side, ours, and is striving to keep us safe, and so far suceeding. The economy is flourishing, a democracy is emerging in the unlikeliest of places, and still you haters talk aboiut is stupidity. You expose yourself with every post, every insult.

[46zilzal]

lots of folks with a more conservative point of view are on my admire list. They are all in the field of medicine.

Reactionaries and blithering fools like the rutabaga don't count in that arena.

What democracy? you mean those PUPPET governments? wait till the troops leave and then if it stays there, then I'll believe in them.

[46zilzal]

I know what happened now at the end of the Exorcist

[Lefty]

More insults. I bet there are no conservative politicians on your admire list. I bet you are against us defending this country of ours. What do you think of Ward Churchill? What do you think of that San Francisco council member who said we don't need a military? What do you think of Tax cuts?
Are the conservatives you admire in medicine against abortion? But you call our pres stupid and make yourself look much less than smart with schoolboy insults.

[46zilzal]

there are NO politicians on my admire list that's for sure, no matter the party...kind of like one of these guys: former California Republican Congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham was sentenced Friday to eight years and four months in federal prison for taking $2.4 million in bribes from at least three defense contractors. The bribes enabled the congressman -- whose salary was about $160,000 a year -- to buy a mansion, yacht, Rolls-Royce and condo in suburban Washington, prosecutors said.

[Lefty]

Or you could put a former dem pres on the list, a man who committed perjury and pardoned the biggest tax evaders in our history. Or any number of dems who went to jail, such as all this guy's(Clinton) friends in Ak like the Gov who succeeded him. Or how about Rastinkowsky of Chicago or was it N.J., then who was that Dem in Chicago some yrs ago who took free postage and had gifts in his basement. So many crooks in Dem party need a prgm.(prob spelled his name wrong) Yet you only list a Republican. That says a lot.

[46zilzal]

just grabbed the first one handy: they are ALL CROOKS out for one thing:THEMSELVES

[Tom]

we all know that the rutabaga walks on water to you lefty

What a total hippocrite YOU are - you mock Lefty for supporting a duly elected president in the same sentence you call him a rutabega! Please, dear doctor, explain to me why it is OK for you to be 100% against him and wrong for Lefty to be 100% for him?

[46zilzal]

another popular sentiment

Tom FREEDOM of choice

[46zilzal]

Bush's Show Is Over
Robert L. Borosage
February 01, 2006



Robert L. Borosage is co-director of the Campaign For America's Future.

It’s over. Like an old actor taking the stage of a show already slated to close, the president gamely went through the motions last night in his State of the Union address. But the swagger was gone. There was no glint of promise, of hope or menace, of energy or combativeness. With three years left in his presidency, George Bush is fated to struggle with the catastrophes he has created. And he has no clue of what to do. For three long years, this nation will be adrift, with the captain left to duck and cover, deny and ignore, and keep a stiff upper lip while his aides scurry to plug the holes and keep the thing afloat.

So the president vows to “stand behind the American military,” hiding his folly behind their courage and sacrifice. He trots out lame choices—“victory” or “defeatism,” “lead” or “isolationism and protectionism.” He threatens the preposterous. Leave Iraq and bin Laden will take over.

Even the president’s speech, resolutely intent on denying reality, implicitly recognized the scope of the catastrophe facing him. Iran, “held hostage by a small clerical elite,” really does have a nuclear program. But the president could do little but summon the Iranian people to make the right choice because his $1 trillion war of choice in Iraq has drained America, isolated us in the world and provided a recruiting boon to terrorists. And it has produced a Shiite leadership in Iraq that has already signed a mutual defense pact with its allies in Iran. The president is succeeding in creating the “Axis of Evil” that he invented three years ago.

[PaceAdvantage]

Let me get this straight. The President's adversaries, who since the beginning have decried our Iraq policy as an invasion of a sovereign nation without provocation, are now ENDORSING the idea of taking PREEMPTIVE action against IRAN, even though they haven't attacked anyone either? Is this a joke?

[Lefty]

46, not fact, but this giuy's opinion. I have my own opinions, don't hafta trot out others'

Everyone keeps misunderestimating Bush.

[46zilzal]

Let me get this straight. The President's adversaries, who since the beginning have decried our Iraq policy as an invasion of a sovereign nation without provocation, are now ENDORSING the idea of taking PREEMPTIVE action against IRAN, even though they haven't attacked anyone either? Is this a joke?
Must be..... I did not read any of that

[mainardi]

By the time we capture Bin Laden one of Bush' duaghters will be president
I'll ONLY vote for the party daughter... wouldn't it be rich to watch her flip the bird at some dignitary?!? :lol:

[GaryG]

That kind of left wing garbage is all over the net. It does not need to be posted here as if it is the gospel. It isn't even Walter Cronkite. I'm sure glad you moved to Canada.

[PaceAdvantage]

Must be..... I did not read any of that

So this to you doesn't read as a sort of call to arms?

But the president could do little but summon the Iranian people to make the right choice because his $1 trillion war of choice in Iraq has drained America, isolated us in the world and provided a recruiting boon to terrorists. And it has produced a Shiite leadership in Iraq that has already signed a mutual defense pact with its allies in Iran.

Sure sounds like the author is advocating a bit more than "diplomacy" to remedy the situation in Iran.

[46zilzal]

So this to you doesn't read as a sort of call to arms?


Nope but I bet that is a considered option to this group. Tell me that Rumsfield and the other neocons have no dreamed of that scenario.

[GaryG]

Tell me that Rumsfield and the other neocons have no dreamed of that scenario.I don't know what a neocon is but, judging from the context in which it is commonly used, I take it to mean someone who is proudly American and supports our country's policies.

[46zilzal]

go right here:http://www.newamericancentury.org/ to read about the SAME OLD WORLD DOMINATION idea that has been tried over and over since the world began. It's the original NEOCON SITE

[ljb]

Or you could put a former dem pres on the list, a man who committed perjury and pardoned the biggest tax evaders in our history. Or any number of dems who went to jail, such as all this guy's(Clinton) friends in Ak like the Gov who succeeded him. Or how about Rastinkowsky of Chicago or was it N.J., then who was that Dem in Chicago some yrs ago who took free postage and had gifts in his basement. So many crooks in Dem party need a prgm.(prob spelled his name wrong) Yet you only list a Republican. That says a lot.
Speaking of pardons, what do you think ? Will Bush implement a blanket pardon for his co-horts or will they be individualized ? If individualized he better get humping, only about 1000 days left. :D

[ljb]

I don't know what a neocon is but, judging from the context in which it is commonly used, I take it to mean someone who is proudly American and supports our country's policies.
Now I know why you sport that neo-nazi flag as your avatar. In the dark forever. :bang:

[GaryG]

Now I know why you sport that neo-nazi flag as your avatar. In the dark forever. :bang:That ol Stars and Bars really is a sore point with you isn't it boy? You sure bitch about it often enough. It means Proudly Southern and Proudly American. You pussy liberals just keep on whining and we will keep winning elections regardless of what your "polls" show....

[lsbets]

That ol Stars and Bars really is a sore point with you isn't it boy? You sure bitch about it often enough. It means Proudly Southern and Proudly American. You pussy liberals just keep on whining and we will keep winning elections regardless of what your "polls" show....

Wow Gary, you were more restrained in your response than I thought you would be. Of course I also have a hunch that if he called it a neo-nazi flag to your face, he'd be talking out of a mouth with no teeth, but that's just a hunch.

[JustRalph]

That ol Stars and Bars really is a sore point with you isn't it boy? You sure bitch about it often enough. It means Proudly Southern and Proudly American. You pussy liberals just keep on whining and we will keep winning elections regardless of what your "polls" show....

very nice.....and an appropriate response considering.........

[46zilzal]

That flag still flies over my mother's high school in Alabama. The locals would just as soon gut you as to take it down.

[Tom]

Between Gary's flag and Ljb's flag, at least Gary's onmce flew over a version of the US. Ljb's could be construed as desecration, actually. Poor tatse, definately.
I don't find the Confederate flag the least bit offensive. Some of the wack-o groups that have carried it from time to time to represent other ideas are offensive themsleves. The Confederate flag actually symbolizes the strength of our Union - how many other countries have had such a bloody civil war and been able to re-unite and go on as one again?

[PaceAdvantage]

Now I know why you sport that neo-nazi flag as your avatar. In the dark forever. :bang:

Did you write Warner Bros. to protest the Dukes of Hazzard? As I said before, the Neo-Nazis not only favor the Confederate Flag, but they also strongly favor white people. Does this mean I should kill myself because I am white? That's a perfect analogy to your silly post.

[GaryG]

I also have a hunch that if he called it a neo-nazi flag to your face, he'd be talking out of a mouth with no teeth, but that's just a hunch.At least....:jump: :jump:

[Lefty]

lbj, therre ya go with stupid opinions again. What blog dreamed up that one?

[ljb]

To all you folks that got so upset with mention of the neo-nazi flag. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[ljb]

Did you write Warner Bros. to protest the Dukes of Hazzard? As I said before, the Neo-Nazis not only favor the Confederate Flag, but they also strongly favor white people. Does this mean I should kill myself because I am white? That's a perfect analogy to your silly post.
That's one hell of a stretch even for you.
My only real contention here is your refusal to admit that the confederate flag is a political symbol.
And it is obvious what Gary's problem is. I was a little suprised to see lsbets get his dander up so, thought he was more manly. One never knows.

[ljb]

Between Gary's flag and Ljb's flag, at least Gary's onmce flew over a version of the US. Ljb's could be construed as desecration, actually. Poor tatse, definately.
I don't find the Confederate flag the least bit offensive. Some of the wack-o groups that have carried it from time to time to represent other ideas are offensive themsleves. The Confederate flag actually symbolizes the strength of our Union - how many other countries have had such a bloody civil war and been able to re-unite and go on as one again?
I don't find it offensive either, just political.

[lsbets]

That's one hell of a stretch even for you.
My only real contention here is your refusal to admit that the confederate flag is a political symbol.
And it is obvious what Gary's problem is. I was a little suprised to see lsbets get his dander up so, thought he was more manly. One never knows.

Excuse me ljb - where did I get my dander up? When I said Gary was more restrained than I thought he would be, or when I figured he would kick your teeth in if you said that in person? There was a discussion about the flag a long time ago here, and I was not shy in voicing my opinion - it shouldn't be flown over any government building anywhere, and to me it symbolizes those who were traiters to our nation. Robert E. Lee should have been hung on the lawn of Arlington cemetary after the war. The great things he accomplished in the Mexican War were all negated when he betrayed his oath. However, I know a lot of people who see the flag as something else, and to them it doesn't symbolize any of the things that I see. I accept and respect their thoughts and opinions, even though I strongly disagree with them. But, I also have the courage to say to them in person what I think the flag symbolizes. I'm pretty sure courage is something you lack, and that is what I was referring to.

[46zilzal]

Robert E. Lee should have been hung on the lawn of Arlington cemetary after the war. The great things he accomplished in the Mexican War were all negated when he betrayed his oath.

He served again in Texas until summoned to Washington in 1861 by Winfield Scott who tried to retain Lee in the U. S. service. But the Virginian rejected the command of the Union's field forces on the day after Virginia seceded.

that says a lot: one of the best minds ever to come out of West Point and you would have him killed. What is now Arlington used to be his home was it not?

[Tom]

Anyone keeping score?
How many is it up to now that have talked about punching Ljb in the mouth? :D

[ljb]

Anyone keeping score?
How many is it up to now that have talked about punching Ljb in the mouth? :D
Don't know why that is Tom. I just seem to be able to bring out the worst in people. Or perhaps I just have the ability to dig out the real person hiding behind a keyboard.
Case in point years back I said you had potential and the ability to see what was really going on here. For some reason you refused for a while to admit to your innnermost thoughts and feelings but, lately you have come out and done your fair share of Bush bashing. Congratulations Tom.
Case in point, I long ago pointed out PA's bias on this board. While he does have a right to his opinion (perhaps more then others as the originator of this board), as moderator he should attempt to remain unbiased. Long standing rule No political avatars on horse racing side of board. Well low and behold the bias wins out and right wing avatar is allowed.
I could go on, but you get the point.

[lsbets]

Case in point, I long ago pointed out PA's bias on this board. While he does have a right to his opinion (perhaps more then others as the originator of this board), as moderator he should attempt to remain unbiased. Long standing rule No political avatars on horse racing side of board. Well low and behold the bias wins out and right wing avatar is allowed.
I could go on, but you get the point.

I'm can't see how you say allowing Gary's avatar shows a bias on PAs part. To many people, the flag is not political. When you posted on the horseracing side a few days ago, PA did not remove your avatar, which is 100% political, and he did not remove Hcap's avatar, which I think most people see as political. That seems to be 2 left leaning avatars allowed vs. 1/2 right leaning. Does that mean PA has a left leaning bias? :lol: And since ecaroff's was removed, that makes it -1/2 right leaning. Hmmm.

[hcap]

Wait a minute Ls
and he did not remove Hcap's avatar, which I think most people see as political.My avatar is not political. As I said the peace symbol worn by the girl originated as a protest to nuclear war

http://growabrain.typepad.com/growabrain/images/face_of_peace_4.jpg

Peace is not political. Neither democratic, or republican. The peace movement is closer to the philosophy of non-violence.

Now if it has attracted connotations as Garys' flag has, it should only be listed as 1/2 leaning left.

I find jokes about punching ljb or other snide comments about bombing muslims substantially more offensive than mildy offensive images

[Tom]

Ljb, you miss the point.

I don't bash Bush, I bash things he does wrong. I prasie things he does well.
I am focused on the results, you on the man.

Hcap....being worn as a protest makes it a political avatar. But political or not, it is damn ugly. and sorry talk about bombing muslems is offensive to you....I find actual bombing of Americans offensive to me.

[lsbets]

Hcap - flash back a couple of weeks ago, I defended your avatar as being pretty harmless and told the folks who were offended by it to get over it, but to say you do not have it up there to make a political statement is simply fantasyland. Political and siding with a political party are not the same thing.

[hcap]

Tom I find bombing americans offensive as well.

If you find my avatar ugly, well beauty is in the eye of the orangutang. :bang:
Your avatar is not exactly a pin up. Sometimes after looking at your banana eating puss, I wonder about Darwins' conclusions. :bang:

Ls your right. I do use it. But Gary does as well. Therefore 1/2 leaning politically is about right for his avatar and mine.

BTW, I make anti war statements most of the time.
Then anti bush. Almost synonomous

[lsbets]

Okay hcap - for the purposes of this discussion, I will say that your avatar is no more political than Gary's. Would you say that PA has been fair in enforcing his avatar policy, or would agree with ljb when he says that PA has shown a bias in doing so? If you agree with ljb, please cite an example, because the only major flair up I can recall at the moment is the one over Rush, and that was removed.

[hcap]

PA is philosophically more on your side than mine. However I see no overt bias in how he performs as moderator. His -Warner Bros? ruling on Garys' avatar may be a bit stretched-but I'll accept his judgement.

Ljb, I think specifically commenting on bushs' lack of abilty is more political than a confederate flag. But only slightly.

It appears some southerners, are not right wing, but seem to have a whoop ass mentality. Go figure. So I am willing to accept the confederate flag as somewhat non political, mostly because of southen idiosyncrasies. Some sort of good ole' boy semi-knee jerk celebration.

[46zilzal]

Early in Bush’s presidency, a White House aide tried to explain the president. He expressed scorn for the “reality-based community” that studied “discernible reality.” “We’re an empire,” he said, “and when we act, we create our own reality.” Indeed. This president has acted. He has had his way. He has proudly pushed a bold conservative agenda. And now he is left to deal with the catastrophes wrought by his action—war of choice in Iraq, tax cuts that produce deficits but not jobs, trade policies that export jobs and import debt, and a domestic investment deficit —in education, in communications, in public health—that is far more crippling than record budget deficits.

[lsbets]

46 - why don't you ever link or give credit to those you quote? When you put up a post with proper grammar that people can follow, its pretty obvious you didn't write it, I'm sure folks would like to read the rest of what you are quoting.

[46zilzal]

just Goggle "Bush denying reality" and it is about the 4th or 5th one.

Find it yourself. In a pinch, I probably wouldn't give you the time of day.

[GaryG]

just Goggle "Bush denying reality" and it is about the 4th or 5th one.

Find it yourself. In a pinch, I probably wouldn't give you the time of day.Sounds like a rather prejudiced web site, although I I am not going to bother to look at it.
hcp and I seem to have found a middle ground as it were...:ThmbUp: I have known plenty of peace activists from the old days and I respect that. However, lbj and 46zilzy are a different story.
Please note that I have never made any comments about anyone's avatar except mine. Seems like lbj just won't let the whole debate be. This last comment by zilzy is so snotty it it hilarious. Wouldn't give you the sweat off his private parts ls....

[46zilzal]

that comment was LIMITED to a single person. I would have to come up with new ones for differing people. TWO of may favorites:
1) to call someone as an ASS: "you are the only person I know who smiles vertically."

2) "You have a fecolith in your Circle of Willis."

[lsbets]

just Goggle "Bush denying reality" and it is about the 4th or 5th one.

Find it yourself. In a pinch, I probably wouldn't give you the time of day.

My my, mr. open minded, six foot three and neutral seems to be an awfully hateful person. Don't worry 46, I seriously doubt you could even figure out the time, so its highly unlikely I'd be asking you. However, it is generally appropriate to give credit to others when you quote them, and your laziness might cause problems for PA with copyright issues. I realize that in your world no one matters but you, however, the decent thing to do would be to attribute your quotes.

[GaryG]

I am not through with this yet....clearly the thing that really irritated me was the neo-nazi business. Anyone who has ever walked on southern soil would know that is ludicrous. We don't have nazis in this area, neo or otherwise. Like my Texas friend said, that comment would never be made to a southerner's face for fear of an "overwhelming response". I am through with the subject and will not mention it again.

[46zilzal]

I do not have an open mind when it comes to ISBETS, no

[lsbets]

I do not have an open mind when it comes to ISBETS, no

I'm pretty sure you don't have an open mind about anything actually.

[46zilzal]

Military Will Keep Planting Articles in Iraq

The ranking U.S. general there says a Pentagon review found the program does not violate policy. It could be replicated elsewhere.

By Mark Mazzetti / Los Angeles Times

WASHINGTON — The U.S. military plans to continue paying Iraqi newspapers to publish articles favorable to the United States after an inquiry found no fault with the controversial practice, the top U.S. general in Iraq said Friday.

Army Gen. George W. Casey said the internal review had concluded that the U.S. military was not violating U.S. law or Pentagon guidelines with the information operations campaign, in which U.S. troops and a private contractor write pro-American articles and pay to have them planted without attribution in Iraqi media.

[46zilzal]

Army suspends 14 California recruiters pending investigation

By Jeremiah Marquez / Associated Press

LOS ANGELES - Fourteen Army recruiters have been suspended from their duties pending a military probe into allegations they falsified documents at recruiting stations in Ventura and Santa Barbara counties, authorities said Friday.

Army investigators are focusing on two recruiting stations in Oxnard and Santa Maria, said Michael Shepherd, an assistant chief of staff for the U.S. Army Recruiting Command, based in Fort Knox, Ky.

The allegations include "falsifying documents" that accompany recruiting applications, he said. All 14 have been shifted to other military jobs pending the investigation's outcome.

[46zilzal]

Most Americans Now Disapprove of Bush on Terrorism, Poll Shows

March 3 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. public opinion turned against President George W. Bush's handling of terrorism, his signature political strength, last month amid overwhelming opposition to plans to let a Dubai company operate U.S. port facilities.

For the first time, a majority of Americans, 54 percent, disapprove of Bush's dealing with terrorism, the latest Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll found. Bush's job approval rating fell to 38 percent, a five-point drop from a month ago, fueled also by rising discontent over the Iraq war.

The poll taken from Feb. 25 to March 1 found that almost two-thirds of Americans disapprove of Bush's handling of Iraq, amid a surge in sectarian violence there.