David L. Christopher

[cj]

Anyone ever hear of this guy? They've been advertising this for a while at Amazon, and now it finally has a date, though it is still a year away. Just curious.

CJ

Advanced Speed & Pace Handicapping
by David L. Christopher

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[BillW]

Interesting subject .... you'd think just about everything has been written about it (with the possible exception of switching to the metric system).

He also put a book out in '89 "Winning at the Track" and "inside Thoroughbred Racing" in '88. I had thought I had at least heard of every handicapping author alive, if not ead every book ... guess I was wrong.

[anotherdave]

That book has been listed on Amazon for years (literally!). They keep setting the publication date back. I'm not sure what the deal is with it.

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[David McKenzie]

He may be the fellow from Florida that wrote the Winning At The Track Software -- which was very good.

I used that product as well as two advanced software modules, both pace analysis programs. They all worked well and I made money with them.

He was pleasant and knowledgeable on the telephone, and the company's service was excellent.

I think I switched to A-Odds around that time so I wouldn't have to manually input the data, but I didn't abandon WATT because I was unhappy with the results. Far from it, it was some of the best stuff I'd ever used.

---continued---

[David McKenzie]

I read a book of his, I think, that described his theories as well as how to use his method manually. I remember writing a small program for my PC-6 which I took to the track once and hit an enormous trifecta with a $6 bet.

I'm almost positive I wrote that program based on either this book's contents, or another book he wrote. As I recall, you could do the method rather easily with a small calculator. All you need is a Daily Racing Form and a pencil, the calculator was only to facilitate the handicapping process. It's based on the DRF SR, weight and TV for three races with more emphasis given to the first "key" race selected which was track class adjusted. Then there was an adjustment for weight and track condition. I can't swear that method is in the book you mentioned, but I might be.

There was another book I think his company was selling at one point too, written by Danny somebody that was also pretty good.

[wes]

Liberty Publishing Company, Inc.
Post Box 4248
Deerfield Beach, Florida 33442
(561) 395-3750


http://www.horseracingusa.com/

I have used the program since 1987 and still use it along with EquiSim. WATT is a pace and speed program that uses up to 8 lines to handicapp a race.


Just ask for Jeff Little he is always willing to help with your handicapping needs.

wes

[robert99]

Advanced Speed & Pace Handicapping
by David L. Christopher is finally out, according to www.highstakes.co.uk

Few details other than that it is "comprehensive".

[Dave Schwartz]

CJ,

I purchased an eBook from him - I think this was the title.

The book turned out to be a designed to be used with his software. Understand I am not criticizing either the book or the software (which I have never seen) but it just did not make sense to me without the software.

I actually spoke with him and he was very kind - a bit surprised that I wasn't thrilled with his book.

Refunded my money cheerfully.


Dave

[BeatTheChalk]

CJ,

I purchased an eBook from him - I think this was the title.

The book turned out to be a designed to be used with his software. Understand I am not criticizing either the book or the software (which I have never seen) but it just did not make sense to me without the software.

I actually spoke with him and he was very kind - a bit surprised that I wasn't thrilled with his book.

Refunded my money cheerfully.


Dave

That is a name from the past... I recall that his materials .. were let us
say - there was a ton of stuff :bang: But time has passed and I just
cant recall what it was all about :lol:

[wonatthewire1]

Advanced Speed & Pace Handicapping
by David L. Christopher is finally out, according to www.highstakes.co.uk

Few details other than that it is "comprehensive".


from your website link:
"Availability
Our suppliers advise us that this item will be available on 15 Jan 2008 - we'll send it to you as soon as possible after that date."

Same date is listed on Amazon.com

[Buddha]

nothing like having a 5 year old thread dusted off and brought to the front

[Tom Barrister]

I read this sentence on the home page:

In the exciting sport of horse racing, LPC's Winning at the Track program is now the nation's leading speed/pace handicapping software, used by thousands of North American horse racing fans.

And in the tutorial, this is stated:

once this tutorial and the demo have been reviewed, you will see why WINNING AT THE TRACK (WATT) has become the nation's most popular speed/pace handicapping program!

Now I can't say with 100% certainly that Mr. Little doesn't have thousands of users, and I can't say with 100% certainty that it isn't the most popular handicapping program in the country. But I'd sure feel safe taking a $2.10 payout against both, were they provable.

His program may be the best thing since sliced bread, but when such claims are made, I just lose interest in anything else said.

[Tom]

I would love to see the data he used to make that conclusion. :lol:

I see claims like that and I am reminded of what my old aunt used to say:
"That smells bad and I won't eat it!" (lifted from Allan Shore)

[andicap]

PA and other Prodigy alum,

Remember Jeff Little from Prodigy days. He was on the site all the time hawking and defending the software!!
Ah, the more things change ....:D

[RaceBookJoe]

The book I have by him seems to rely on the drf SR and TV with weight. I am not sure what the new breakthru is though.

[Dave Schwartz]

"That smells bad and I won't eat it!" (lifted from Allan Shore)

Now Tom, actually it was Allan quoting his Aunt Gert. (Or was it great aunt?)


I get my legal advice from that show as well. :lol:

Nice to see you staying current. (What did they do? Beg a couple of writers to cross a picket line?)


Dave

[CapperAl]

He was interesting back when and had a following in the early days of PC software.



Liberty Publishing Company, Inc.
Post Box 4248
Deerfield Beach, Florida 33442
(561) 395-3750


http://www.horseracingusa.com/

I have used the program since 1987 and still use it along with EquiSim. WATT is a pace and speed program that uses up to 8 lines to handicapp a race.


Just ask for Jeff Little he is always willing to help with your handicapping needs.

wes

[Tom Barrister]

The book I have by him seems to rely on the drf SR and TV with weight. I am not sure what the new breakthru is though.

Maybe he's gone cutting edge and uses the Beyers now.

[Tom Barrister]

I went back to the site to look around.

There's no Media Player button to turn off the annoying (to me) music, but the site owner has a handy workaround ready for that:

For Music: Use Microsoft Explorer
No Music: Use Netscape Navigator

There was a "Tout" page, on which this year's Breeders Cup Classic was handicapped. After deciding that the program couldn't separate its four contenders, the author chose Curlin (who didn't lead in any of the factors on screen) to win.

I downloaded the demo file. It doesn't come as a self-installing exe file. It's a zip file. The instructions on the website tell the reader to make a directory called c:\track and then put the zip file in there. once in there, the user is supposed to use PKunzip (which is conveniently included in the zip file, although how one is supposed to use the zipped version of it to unzip the zip file is a mystery). After that, the user is instructed to create an icon and put the program on the desktop. It would probably take most people about an hour to figure out how to put all of these things into an installer that users could run and have a convenient icon on the desktop.

The tutorial warned that the demo only had limited features, compared to the pay-for program. The tutorial was correct. The only features I could use were to 1) open the program, 2) get an error message about records.dat being missing, and 3) exit the program.

Going back to the website, I found out that I needed to contact the publisher to get the required records.dat file, the supposed logic being that the current adjustments were included in it. Of course, it would be stupid to update that on a weekly basis and include it in the demo distribution zip file.

Next week when I have more time, I'm going to ask "the publisher" for the records.dat file and give the program a go (or at least try to give the program a go).

[mrharness]

Tom Barrister

Internet Explorer
I'll help you out just a little bit.....Escape key or Stop button turns off music.
Also will help turn off annoying animated GIFs on websites.

[RaceBookJoe]

Maybe he's gone cutting edge and uses the Beyers now.

Or the new Moss pace figures. His betting consisted of boxing the top 3 choices and sometimes the top 2 with a 4th horse. Then box the top 2. I dont think I gave it much of a runthru though. For those of us who remember Dick Herter...he did some of his handicapping using the SR/TV from the DRF.

[Tom Barrister]

Thanks for the ESC tip. I learn something new everyday.

I remember Dick from the 1980's, when I was playing greyhounds whenever a new track opened. Dick wrote about a dozen booklets on greyhound racing. Much of the info was repeated, and most of it was Handicapping 101, but some of his ideas were interesting.