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lsbets
02-06-2006, 11:42 PM
I don't know much about the goings on between these two, but Sen McCain publicly released this letter to Sen Obama today. He slaps him pretty hard considering how Senators usually act towards each other in public. Here's the first and last paragraphs:

Dear Senator Obama:

I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere. When you approached me and insisted that despite your leadership’s preference to use the issue to gain a political advantage in the 2006 elections, you were personally committed to achieving a result that would reflect credit on the entire Senate and offer the country a better example of political leadership, I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable. Thank you for disabusing me of such notions with your letter to me dated February 2, 2006, which explained your decision to withdraw from our bipartisan discussions. I’m embarrassed to admit that after all these years in politics I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble. Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won’t make the same mistake again.

<last>

As I noted, I initially believed you shared that goal. But I understand how important the opportunity to lead your party’s effort to exploit this issue must seem to a freshman Senator, and I hold no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness. Again, I have been around long enough to appreciate that in politics the public interest isn’t always a priority for every one of us. Good luck to you, Senator.



Sincerely,





John McCain

United States Senate

Here's the whole letter:
http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=NewsCenter.ViewPressRelease&Content_id=1654

Seems like McCain is getting ready to appeal to the conservative base as we get closer to the 08 primary season.

kenwoodallpromos
02-07-2006, 01:02 AM
On Jan 18 Obana talked about democrats' perception that republicans had a "culture of corruption" and agreed with the plantation statement of Hillary's.
And Obama is one of the democrats. Due to those statements I think it is stupid for McCain to think Obama had the notion that McCain preferred a bilateral task force over committee hearings- after all, if Obama were right, the committee hearing would be more likely to be republican one-sided than the task force- McCain claims he wanted both (to pressure the committee to get their act together?). I think both of them are assuming facts not in evidence and both are following in Kerry's footsteps by trying to play mind reader.
At least that is my take on this lover's spat! They should just kiss and make up!LOL! :kiss:

JustRalph
02-07-2006, 06:34 AM
A little while back, an Armed Robber was captured in a foot chase here in Columbus. A local news team just happen to show up as an officer was dragging the suspect from behind a house and "escorting " him down the street to a waiting police car. The guy saw the camera and starting yelling

" Wait to Obama gets in" "Wait till Obama gets in, this shit is going to end"

he ended it with " Obama is going to take over this country"

I almost fell out of my chair laughing..................of course the tape of Ted Kennedy calling him "Osama Obama" is funny as hell too..............

Just wait until Obama gets in!

Tom
02-07-2006, 08:35 AM
The candidates are at the gate......the flag is up.......


Here we go again! :eek:

lsbets
02-07-2006, 08:45 AM
What surprised me about it was McCain's tone. Normally the Senators are too cordial to each other. Obviously McCain knows he needs to show the conservative base that he isn't buddy buddy with the Democrats, because that is how he is perceived, even though a look at the guys record (with the exception of McCain-Feingold which accomplished nothing) shows that his conservative credentials are as solid as can be. But, he has an image problem heading into the primaries. He has broad appeal in the general election because of his perception as a maverick, but that hurts him trying to get the nomination. My guess is you'll see McCain doing a ton of campaigning around the country for candidates in the 2006 mid-terms to build support for his run in 08. I also don't think he'll get the nomination - being the perceived front runner at this point is probably more of a disadvantage than an advantage.

ljb
02-07-2006, 09:05 AM
The politicians are gearing up for the race. Mcain firing a large volley to begin. Obama has a long way to go. IMHO neither will be in the race when it counts. Mcain lost my vote when he buddied up with Bush after what Bush did to him in the primarys and Obama has too many negative features to be a serious candidate.

Valuist
02-07-2006, 09:40 AM
McCain is no friend to anyone who gambles. I would NEVER vote for him.

Tom
02-07-2006, 10:59 AM
McCain reminds me of 13 year old, wanting to sit at the big people's table on Thanksgiving, but being told to sit at the children's table for another year.
His little tirade with Obama looks suspicious and sounds like a familiar child's shout of "AM NOT!" :sleeping:

I just don' t see him in a leadership role.

Unfortunately, don't see anyone else on either side I would consider, either.
I'm hoping there is an unknown out there who has his act together and will emerge from the mud throwing that will undoubtedly start soon, and look clean by comparison.

NoDayJob
02-11-2006, 06:06 PM
:lol: Do you really think there's more than a dime's worth of difference between the two parties or the "two twits" Senators Obama and McCain? :lol:

so.cal.fan
02-11-2006, 09:53 PM
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a true STATESMAN emerge in '08?
Instead of just politicians? :bang: :bang: :bang:

NoDayJob
02-11-2006, 11:06 PM
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a true STATESMAN emerge in '08?
Instead of just politicians? :bang: :bang: :bang:

:D You can dream, can't you? :D

JustRalph
05-11-2008, 12:21 AM
I don't know much about the goings on between these two, but Sen McCain publicly released this letter to Sen Obama today. He slaps him pretty hard considering how Senators usually act towards each other in public. Here's the first and last paragraphs:

Dear Senator Obama:

I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere. When you approached me and insisted that despite your leadership’s preference to use the issue to gain a political advantage in the 2006 elections, you were personally committed to achieving a result that would reflect credit on the entire Senate and offer the country a better example of political leadership, I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable. Thank you for disabusing me of such notions with your letter to me dated February 2, 2006, which explained your decision to withdraw from our bipartisan discussions. I’m embarrassed to admit that after all these years in politics I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble. Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won’t make the same mistake again.

<last>

As I noted, I initially believed you shared that goal. But I understand how important the opportunity to lead your party’s effort to exploit this issue must seem to a freshman Senator, and I hold no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness. Again, I have been around long enough to appreciate that in politics the public interest isn’t always a priority for every one of us. Good luck to you, Senator.



Sincerely,





John McCain

United States Senate

Here's the whole letter:
http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=NewsCenter.ViewPressRelease&Content_id=1654

Seems like McCain is getting ready to appeal to the conservative base as we get closer to the 08 primary season.

I was going to post a link to the new camelot and did a quick search on Obama. I found this thread from 06. Interesting stuff............Looking back that is. Here is the link to the new camelot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5921334

But this thread is a fun read, looking back.....................and it's only one page to peruse.

PaceAdvantage
05-11-2008, 01:27 AM
Wow. After reading just the first post in that DU thread, all I can say is wow. Is it possible for a human being to be that much of a lemming?

There aren't going to be enough suicide hotline operators in the world come November if we are to believe that the view expressed in that DU thread applies to most of Obama's supporters.

"It`ll be magic." Oh my....

"I was nowhere near alive during the Kennedy administration but I have a feeling it will be a lot like that. America will be charmed." Charmed....as in Lucky Charms? I don't quite get that one....

"Michelle Obama will be much beloved. Sure, she`ll be a top rethuglican target during the campaign but after that, we`ll all be wowed by her grace and elegance." Oh.....my......GOD!

"I don`t think we understand just how much Obama is loved in the wider world already. His conciliatory stance and ..... " More like 'bent over stance' if I am hearing him right:

dl32Y7wDVDs

JustRalph
05-11-2008, 01:50 AM
It's amazing some of the shit that goes through some peoples mind when they listen to Obama............this guy is the Messiah

Tom
05-11-2008, 11:39 AM
And I'm building a cross.

Lefty
05-12-2008, 12:48 AM
Since Obama's been in the Senate he hasn't made one bi-partisan vote. Some Uniter.
When Obama talks about change, I hold tight to my change.

riskman
05-12-2008, 01:28 PM
After Jan. 09 Congress is likely to move forward on changes to redistribute income and wealth.. Tax rates on higher income levels, dividends and capital will increase, and we can expect increase spending on social programs. As a result, corporate profitability and the economy will grow more slowly.It appears the pendulum is now swinging back to a democracy-dominated system rather than capitalism based. For conservatives the game will change. Of course anything can happen in politics before Nov. 08 to either Obama(more scandals) McCain(health issues) or the "maverick" in McCain might distance himself entirely from the Bush policies to be more competitive with Obama.

Tom
05-12-2008, 01:40 PM
Time to dust off the old misery index. :eek:

Hank
05-12-2008, 02:08 PM
Time to dust off the old misery index. :eek:
Neoconderthals.. better than tv:lol::lol::lol:

JustRalph
05-12-2008, 02:25 PM
After Jan. 09 Congress is likely to move forward on changes to redistribute income and wealth.. Tax rates on higher income levels, dividends and capital will increase, and we can expect increase spending on social programs. As a result, corporate profitability and the economy will grow more slowly.It appears the pendulum is now swinging back to a democracy-dominated system rather than capitalism based. For conservatives the game will change. Of course anything can happen in politics before Nov. 08 to either Obama(more scandals) McCain(health issues) or the "maverick" in McCain might distance himself entirely from the Bush policies to be more competitive with Obama.

Yep, things will change all right. It will just get worse for those looking for a handout.

Lefty
05-12-2008, 03:11 PM
You call redistribution of income democracy? It's socialism leaning towards communism. A slowdown of capitalism is a slowdown of jobs and then more people need those social prgms. Those dims; they create a problem, then their solutions create more problems.

Tom
05-12-2008, 03:16 PM
Neoconderthals.. better than tv:lol::lol::lol:

Was there a point to this commet, or just more spam?

Tom
05-12-2008, 03:19 PM
You call redistribution of income democracy? It's socialism leaning towards communism. A slowdown of capitalism is a slowdown of jobs and then more people need those social prgms. Those dims; they create a problem, then their solutions create more problems.

How come the dems never talk about re-distribution of responsibility and contribution? Has anyone told them that people who perform more earn more?
The reason people do not make a lot of money is that they do not contribute anything worth much. Facts are facts, a large percentage of people in this coutnry are not worth minimum wage and never will be.

Lefty
05-12-2008, 03:28 PM
Tom, AMEN, BROTHER, AMEN. :ThmbUp:

ddog
05-12-2008, 04:51 PM
How come the dems never talk about re-distribution of responsibility and contribution? Has anyone told them that people who perform more earn more?
The reason people do not make a lot of money is that they do not contribute anything worth much. Facts are facts, a large percentage of people in this coutnry are not worth minimum wage and never will be.

I , for one, would love to hear-see your FACTS , that you have which support the above.

Should be interesting reading.

ddog
05-12-2008, 04:58 PM
How come the dems never talk about re-distribution of responsibility and contribution? Has anyone told them that people who perform more earn more?
The reason people do not make a lot of money is that they do not contribute anything worth much. Facts are facts, a large percentage of people in this coutnry are not worth minimum wage and never will be.


they are one and the same!

same coin, different side.

ddog
05-12-2008, 05:00 PM
Was there a point to this commet, or just more spam?

Look up "ironic".
I think you just redined that one.

Hank
05-12-2008, 06:25 PM
Was there a point to this commet, or just more spam?

Damn Tom what world do you live in? The "misery index" is pegged out in most of the dam country.So your goofy neoconderthal comment 'we'll have to dust off the misery index' Is funny as hell to folks who see things the way they actually are and not thought the house of mirriors glasses you neoconderthals seem to all wear.So yea I guess its just spam.:rolleyes:

Cangamble
05-12-2008, 07:46 PM
Back (current odds) 106.1%

Lay 99.6%


Barack Obama (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:void%280%29)


1.79
1.8
John McCain (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:void%280%29)


2.84
2.86
Hillary Clinton (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:void%280%29)


15.5
16
Al Gore (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:void%280%29)

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Betfair doesn't take American customers, but the consensus is that Obama is going to win the election.
Incidentally, Obama is less than 1-9 to win the Democratic nomination. Hillary is 10 or 11-1.

As for the odds, if you were to bet 200 on McCain and he lost you lose 200, if he wins, you win 284 minus your comm rate which is between 2-4% depending on how much you play.

PaceAdvantage
05-12-2008, 09:56 PM
Neoconderthals.. better than tv:lol::lol::lol:Did Tom call you a name in this thread? I thought not....this isn't DU or DK....

riskman
05-13-2008, 01:00 AM
You call redistribution of income democracy? It's socialism leaning towards communism. A slowdown of capitalism is a slowdown of jobs and then more people need those social prgms. Those dims; they create a problem, then their solutions create more problems.

Aside from the arrogance of thinking that any one way will work best for everyone, we really must question just how well democracy and free market capitalism have worked together in America. Why don't you do some research into "Captalism vs Democracy " before we accept your great wisdom.

Lefty
05-13-2008, 01:39 AM
Arrogence? This country was is based on capitalism. It's what made us the greatest country in the world in a shorter time than any country in history. If you like socialism so much then why don't you go where they have it and just enjoy the hell out ofit. A it is we spend too big a part of our udget on social programs now. Now you want to ease us into communism. Excuse my frikkin arrogence if i just vehemently disagree.
Why don't you do some research into all the failed socialism and communism in the world. If you want to be ponded ito mediocriy by a tax system hat punishes the doers and rewards the non doers,be my guest. Just don't wis it onto therest of us. :ThmbDown:

ljb
05-13-2008, 07:04 AM
Actually we need a blend of capitalism and socialism. Currently we have moved too much in the capitalistic direction. This of course creates a lower standard of living for the working class and more riches for the aristocrats. If you don't mind having the profits of your labor go to the aristocrats, continue with your support of the neo-cons. If you would prefer to share in the profits of your labor, support the progressives.

Tom
05-13-2008, 07:29 AM
Damn Tom what world do you live in? The "misery index" is pegged out in most of the dam country.So your goofy neoconderthal comment 'we'll have to dust off the misery index' Is funny as hell to folks who see things the way they actually are and not thought the house of mirriors glasses you neoconderthals seem to all wear.So yea I guess its just spam.:rolleyes:

There was an actual misery index during the Carter years - a dem. I was talking about a specific thing that is unique to demcrat presidents. And things today, for most, are nowhere near as bad as they were back then....not even close. I find it very amusing that you do not know that.

Marshall Bennett
05-13-2008, 10:48 AM
Actually we need a blend of capitalism and socialism. Currently we have moved too much in the capitalistic direction. This of course creates a lower standard of living for the working class and more riches for the aristocrats. If you don't mind having the profits of your labor go to the aristocrats, continue with your support of the neo-cons. If you would prefer to share in the profits of your labor, support the progressives.
Seems to me you would have to have one or the other , the two contradict each other . Introducing any of one removes from the other .

Lefty
05-13-2008, 11:19 AM
lbj, we have way too much socialism now. Over 60% of budget goes to social prgms now. You want to balance the budget? Cut earmarks and social prgms and let charities handle the social work. It's not the govt's job.

Tom
05-13-2008, 11:37 AM
ljb, are you able to identify the aristocrtes? By name?
How does my money go to them? I thought it went to the non-prodcutive?
Are you saying under socialism, my money would not to anyone but me?
Who creates more jobs, aritstocrates or non-prodcutives?
How about this, I would prefer to share the LABOR of my furits and keep the profits myself. Your one sentence really sums up all that is wrong with liberalism - I provide all the labor and only get to share the profits. You don't see the absolute folly in that statement?

Hank
05-13-2008, 01:07 PM
There was an actual misery index during the Carter years - a dem. I was talking about a specific thing that is unique to demcrat presidents. And things today, for most, are nowhere near as bad as they were back then....not even close. I find it very amusing that you do not know that.

Gald I could provide you with some amusment.How about this for some real amusment. Of the TOP 5 misery index ratings of alltime 4 of the 5 came under neoconderthals. 1.Carter 16.27 2.Ford 15.93 3.Regan 12.19 4.bush41. 10.68 5.W. 8.01 I find it very amusing that you did not know that.:lol:

ljb
05-13-2008, 02:14 PM
Seems to me you would have to have one or the other , the two contradict each other . Introducing any of one removes from the other .
All countries in the world are a mix of socialism and capitalism. They do contradict but also live in harmony. Britain is more socialistic then the U.S. but they still have capitalism. Saudi Arabia is more capitalistic then the U.S. but they still have socialism. Like I said we need a blend of the two. Currently the capitalists have too much power in the U.S. Corporate profits and ceo bonuses are at all time highs while the average workers income has actually decreased over the past 20 years.
I hear many here spouting the corporate line. "Some poor slob is getting too much money/benefits for the low rent job he/she performs or the "welfare queens" are robbing us blind." Well as long as you continue to spout this corporate bs, you and I will continue to get less and less of the pie.
Wall street moguls and the aristocrats know if they keep us fighting each other for the crumbs they drop we will not notice the large portion they are gobbling up.
Lefty,
I think the bulk of our expenses are created by military and war expenditures.

Tom
05-13-2008, 02:16 PM
I did know that. Take a look at it year by year and you will see Regan started it back down, and both Bush's and Clinton kept it failry even. Carter was the point, though. Obabam is closer to Carter than anyone.
http://www.miseryindex.us/indexbyyear.asp

How often do you hear the MI mentioned on the evening news? During Carter, it was on more often than the weather! :D
Although, Obama is close to Michael Ducacus - extreme liberal, wouldn't wear a flag pin, his wife hated America.....so we can call him Barak Ducacus? :D

ljb
05-13-2008, 02:19 PM
Obama was caught wearing a flag pin in W.Virginia yesterday. You guys will have to come up with another reason to vote for McSame. :lol:

Hank
05-13-2008, 02:21 PM
Gald I could provide you with some amusment.How about this for some real amusment. Of the TOP 5 misery index ratings of alltime 4 of the 5 came under neoconderthals. 1.Carter 16.27 2.Ford 15.93 3.Regan 12.19 4.bush41. 10.68 5.W. 8.01 I find it very amusing that you did not know that.:lol:

correction #5 should be Nixon 9.98 so that makes 5 out 6 Neoconderthals:lol:

Tom
05-13-2008, 03:08 PM
I hear many here spouting the corporate line. "Some poor slob is getting too much money/benefits for the low rent job he/she performs or the "welfare queens" are robbing us blind." Well as long as you continue to spout this corporate bs, you and I will continue to get less and less of the pie.

So, how much is the greeter at Wal Mart worth in terms of salary and benefits? Now compare his contribution to that of a teacher, a doctor, the owner of a small business who hires 10 people. Do you suggest the doctor get paid the same as the greeter? If not, what is a fair difference? And where do you get this idea that our piece of the pie is limited? Limited only by lack of working for it. You slcie your own piece, you get a larger slice than is you wait to have it served to you.

Tom
05-13-2008, 03:09 PM
correction #5 should be Nixon 9.98 so that makes 5 out 6 Neoconderthals:lol:
Enjoy your new toy.

ljb
05-13-2008, 04:48 PM
So, how much is the greeter at Wal Mart worth in terms of salary and benefits? Now compare his contribution to that of a teacher, a doctor, the owner of a small business who hires 10 people. Do you suggest the doctor get paid the same as the greeter? If not, what is a fair difference? And where do you get this idea that our piece of the pie is limited? Limited only by lack of working for it. You slcie your own piece, you get a larger slice than is you wait to have it served to you.
Are you trying to tell me you can tell your boss how much you should get paid ? My original note did not compare wal-mart greeters with doctors, teachers. I talked about working class people vs. corporate profits and ceo bonuses. This discussion began regarding capitalism vs. socialism.
A better example of the differences can be seen in Florida or Arizona in the winter.
The working class folks from socialistic Canada (socialized medicine eek!) are in these states in their 3 to 4 hundred thousand dollar motorhomes enjoying the warmth.
The working class folks from capitalistic Mexico are there too, picking crops at migrant wages. Grasp these facts and you won't be so concerned about how much a wal-mart greeter gets.
Now i am going to go over to the selections thread and see if i can pick another trifecta in Anderon's thread.

Hank
05-13-2008, 04:55 PM
There was an actual misery index during the Carter years - a dem. I was talking about a specific thing that is unique to demcrat presidents. And things today, for most, are nowhere near as bad as they were back then....not even close. I find it very amusing that you do not know that.

[unique to democrat presidents]:lol: Neoconderthals so funny so wrong!

Tom
05-13-2008, 07:34 PM
So you think you have the right to tell anyone, ljb, how much they can earn in a free country? Where do you draw the line?

Tom
05-13-2008, 07:37 PM
[unique to democrat presidents]:lol: Neoconderthals so funny so wrong!


Read slowly, Hank....slowly.

The daily reporting of the MI was a Carter hallmark. As I posted, when was the last time you heard it talked about on the evening news since Jimmy?

The thinking of Barry Hussein is closely following the moronic thinking of Carter. Manty of BHO's plans were arleady proven failures under the porch-building clown.

Like I said, have fun with your new toy.

bigmack
05-13-2008, 07:39 PM
Like I said, have fun wtih your new toy.
I don't know how you can engage with this fool Tommy. Non-stop use of Neoconderthals. Wow, he must be a riot around the water cooler.

Tom
05-13-2008, 08:15 PM
He is rather predictable, though.:bang:

Lefty
05-13-2008, 08:38 PM
lbj, ya better look again. 60% of the budget taken up by social expenses. You libs are always railing against corps but they provide the jobs. Most of us have stk in Corps so they are not an entity unto themsves, they are us. Tax the crap outta them like the libs want to do and more will be moving offshore and taking jobs with them.

Hank
05-13-2008, 08:41 PM
I don't know how you can engage with this fool Tommy. Non-stop use of Neoconderthals. Wow, he must be a riot around the water cooler.

Aw Mack..whats the matter ya can't take a joke. looks like your type that can give it but ya can't take it. A new species has emerged the neoconderthal sissy.:lol:

Lefty
05-13-2008, 08:41 PM
Hank, it's my recollection that the misery index was created during the Carter yrs, so how does Ford enter into it. I pd 19% interest onm a brand new mobile home during Carter. Interest rates cam wayyyyyy dn under Reagan.

Hank
05-13-2008, 08:45 PM
Hank, it's my recollection that the misery index was created during the Carter yrs, so how does Ford enter into it. I pd 19% interest onm a brand new mobile home during Carter. Interest rates cam wayyyyyy dn under Reagan.

The numbers dont lie, look it up it you doubt it.

46zilzal
05-13-2008, 08:45 PM
As a calculation it can be applied to any situation.

Wikipedia:
The misery index is an economic indicator, created by economist Arthur Okun, and found by adding the unemployment rate to the inflation rate. It is assumed that both a higher rate of unemployment and a worsening of inflation both create economic and social costs for a country. It is often incorrectly attributed to Chicago economist Robert Barro in the 1970s, due to the Barro Misery Index that additionally includes GDP and the bank rate.

Lefty
05-13-2008, 09:15 PM
Aw Mack..whats the matter ya can't take a joke. looks like your type that can give it but ya can't take it. A new species has emerged the neoconderthal sissy.:lol:
Hank, after rereading Mack's comments about you; it appears it is YOU that can't take it.

bigmack
05-13-2008, 09:22 PM
[unique to democrat presidents]:lol: Neoconderthals so funny so wrong!
Got any new material? You've worn that schmata thin.

Gawd, is there a lefto with any originality left in the world for a healthy debate or do they all read .org's for Mothership directives?

ljb
05-13-2008, 09:22 PM
Tom and Lefty,
neither of you has replied to my note regarding working class people from a socialist country (Canada) vs. working class people from a capitalistic country (Mexico). What say you ? I am not anti corporation and do not suppose i should set income levels for people. I am expressing what is happening to the working class people in our country under the capitalistic policies of our current government. Just read an article in the local paper about folks stealing the copper roof off a mausoleum in a local cemetery. Just a sign of the times, we are becoming more and more like a third world country.

wonatthewire1
05-13-2008, 09:32 PM
here they are cutting off catalytic converters from cars on dealers lots for the scant amount of precious metals available - one got taken for over 400 of them one night a few weeks ago

hcap
05-13-2008, 10:14 PM
Got any new material? You've worn that schmata thin.

Gawd, is there a lefto with any originality left in the world for a healthy debate or do they all read .org's for Mothership directives?Still artificially lofting your ego? My Mothership has beaten yours on a number of occasions. Particularly on "haulin' out the data" you threatened but never got around to.

bigmack
05-13-2008, 10:39 PM
Still artificially lofting your ego? My Mothership has beaten yours on a number of occasions.
It's a smidge over a half moon today so a full moon can't be the rational.

Is something in the air dredging up the "wacko" in ya'll?

Do me a solid: Cite the innumerable "beatings" for me as my recollection has faded and couldn't muster a rats ass.

Tom
05-13-2008, 10:59 PM
Hank, it's my recollection that the misery index was created during the Carter yrs, so how does Ford enter into it. I pd 19% interest onm a brand new mobile home during Carter. Interest rates cam wayyyyyy dn under Reagan.

Backfitted. but it is Hank's toy. let him play with it.:D
My graph shows how Regan really turned things around from that fool Obama, er Carter. I get those two mixed up.

riskman
05-13-2008, 11:09 PM
Arrogence? This country was is based on capitalism. It's what made us the greatest country in the world in a shorter time than any country in history. If you like socialism so much then why don't you go where they have it and just enjoy the hell out ofit. A it is we spend too big a part of our udget on social programs now. Now you want to ease us into communism. Excuse my frikkin arrogence if i just vehemently disagree.
Why don't you do some research into all the failed socialism and communism in the world. If you want to be ponded ito mediocriy by a tax system hat punishes the doers and rewards the non doers,be my guest. Just don't wis it onto therest of us. :ThmbDown:

Where did I say anywhere in my posts that I approve of socialism or communism? I expected this reply from you. First of all , politically I consider myself a conservative--not one of those phony neocons that ruined this country the last eight years.
These neocons and rapture-nuts are now recognized for what they are: reckless and irresponsible bluster that has lead to tragic consequences. We all need a President who removes illegal, immoral, and irrefutably stupid options from the table.

Tom
05-13-2008, 11:23 PM
We all need a President who removes illegal, immoral, and irrefutably stupid options from the table.

So you don't like Obama, huh? :D

bigmack
05-13-2008, 11:34 PM
We all need a President who removes illegal, immoral, and irrefutably stupid options from the table.
In other words, you're looking/wanting for a change so badly that you might be choosing, from what you might consider, "the lesser of two evils"? I can understand that and I have reason to believe that many are in your shoes. However....

Never stop to ask yourself & your peers questions about the person of your choosing. It's the Pres, afterall.

JustRalph
05-13-2008, 11:42 PM
here they are cutting off catalytic converters from cars on dealers lots for the scant amount of precious metals available - one got taken for over 400 of them one night a few weeks ago

I was taking police reports on those and the copper thefts in the mid 90's.............nothing new under the sun.

PaceAdvantage
05-14-2008, 01:44 AM
Aw Mack..whats the matter ya can't take a joke. looks like your type that can give it but ya can't take it. A new species has emerged the neoconderthal sissy.:lol:Give what? Seriously, give what?

If you can provide an example where Mack uses some sort of (what is supposed to be) insulting, juvenile phrase used to describe Democrats or those on the left MORE than once in the same thread, I'll be shocked.

But, you say that Mack "can give it," so I assume an example should be right at your finger tips....I'll be waiting....

PaceAdvantage
05-14-2008, 01:48 AM
Isn't it odd that given the fact that the left on this board pounds it into our skulls, day after day, how GWB is the worst president EVER, yet the misery index under his administration is one of the better looking ones on that chart.

Lefty
05-14-2008, 02:18 AM
comparing Canada to Mexico? Get real. Not close to reality.

Lefty
05-14-2008, 02:58 AM
Where did I say anywhere in my posts that I approve of socialism or communism? I expected this reply from you. First of all , politically I consider myself a conservative--not one of those phony neocons that ruined this country the last eight years.
These neocons and rapture-nuts are now recognized for what they are: reckless and irresponsible bluster that has lead to tragic consequences. We all need a President who removes illegal, immoral, and irrefutably stupid options from the table.
risk, your post 17 sounds pretty much like socialism to me. Redistribution of income is not a conservative idea. There ya go.

hcap
05-14-2008, 05:36 AM
It's a smidge over a half moon today so a full moon can't be the rational.

Is something in the air dredging up the "wacko" in ya'll?

Do me a solid: Cite the innumerable "beatings" for me as my recollection has faded and couldn't muster a rats ass.
You were s'posed to haul out innumerable and proof positive data supporting the irrational contention that illegal immigrants were Frankenstein monsters attacking the townsfolk. Remember?
Or was that Frankensteinstein monsters?

bigmack
05-14-2008, 11:24 AM
You were s'posed to haul out innumerable and proof positive data supporting the irrational contention that illegal immigrants were Frankenstein monsters attacking the townsfolk. Remember?
Or was that Frankensteinstein monsters?
Typo errors are right up your alley when it comes to humor. Childlike & stale.

Start with these for your cockamamie brain:
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

My Mothership has beaten yours on a number of occasions.
How bout you haulin' out these "number of occasions", Dreamweaver?

ljb
05-14-2008, 12:33 PM
comparing Canada to Mexico? Get real. Not close to reality.
Right you are Lefty. Canada is more socialist and Mexico is more capitalist. And which country would you rather be a working class citizen of ? I know it will hurt the bejeesus out of you to admit it Lefty, so just reply with your usual spin. We will all understand. Tom is so scared he would not even reply. :lol:

ljb
05-14-2008, 12:36 PM
Give what? Seriously, give what?

If you can provide an example where Mack uses some sort of (what is supposed to be) insulting, juvenile phrase used to describe Democrats or those on the left MORE than once in the same thread, I'll be shocked.

But, you say that Mack "can give it," so I assume an example should be right at your finger tips....I'll be waiting....
ahhh Pa,
You might want to try the giv-a-mack o-meter.

Tom
05-14-2008, 02:15 PM
:confused: Scared of what? I didn't see anything to reply to.
If you are asking, I would chose to safety right here in the USA and change things. I would not be a wishy-washy criminal like the Mexicans and sneak into thier country, I would have the guts to stay in my own and fix it.

Hank
05-14-2008, 07:05 PM
Give what? Seriously, give what?

If you can provide an example where Mack uses some sort of (what is supposed to be) insulting, juvenile phrase used to describe Democrats or those on the left MORE than once in the same thread, I'll be shocked.

But, you say that Mack "can give it," so I assume an example should be right at your finger tips....I'll be waiting....

You have got to be kidding,Mack is renouned for leaping in with insults,the thing is they are not directed at neocons ..so you dont seem to notice.but what ever, its all good.Who leaped in with the [personal] insult? but who do you come at... Me. what a joke.. thats why I keep it at the appropriate joke level.never a peep about Commie pinko,Dim,Traitor,Goons 'huh' like I said :lol:

Lefty
05-14-2008, 07:07 PM
lbj, you set up a stupid, non viable analogy. Mexico is more corrupt. Now let's Compare Canada to here. I'd rather be here. There ya go.

lsbets
05-14-2008, 07:14 PM
PA, notice how your "critics" cannot provide one example of Mack's behavior that matches your criteria (and the funny thing is, I bet one of them thinks he did provide an example that fits your criteria).

ljb
05-14-2008, 07:23 PM
lbj, you set up a stupid, non viable analogy. Mexico is more corrupt. Now let's Compare Canada to here. I'd rather be here. There ya go.
More corrupt then who ?

ljb
05-14-2008, 07:25 PM
PA, notice how your "critics" cannot provide one example of Mack's behavior that matches your criteria (and the funny thing is, I bet one of them thinks he did provide an example that fits your criteria).
Frankly ls,
I don't give a mack. :lol: :lol: :lol:

bigmack
05-15-2008, 01:06 AM
I repeat: Is there any hope of anyone from the port side having any level of originality of thought or are we left with these rote, straight from the Mothership, pat, more than often puerile, responses? We're grown folk here. Don't you feel the least bit foolish about typing "neoconderthal" or "rutabega" post after post?

Anyone of us swimming in this "off-topic pool" enjoy a lively debate every now & again, but when ideations/planted notions are obviously picked from the tree of your leaning it becomes otiose.

Trust me when I say it's frustrating to see from either side of the aisle. Arguably, it streams from the left considerably more than that of the right, particularly with these tidy little names that feel like little kids on a playground teasing others with names.

All in all, I admit that I don't suffer fools lightly and this Hank appears to be a bonafide fool

ljb
05-15-2008, 07:50 AM
Mack,
You could have saved yourself a lot of typing in your tirade against those who oppose your views. Don't you still have the give-a-mack o-meter ? :lol:

PaceAdvantage
05-15-2008, 06:53 PM
You have got to be kidding,Mack is renouned for leaping in with insults,the thing is they are not directed at neocons ..so you dont seem to notice.but what ever, its all good.Who leaped in with the [personal] insult? but who do you come at... Me. what a joke.. thats why I keep it at the appropriate joke level.never a peep about Commie pinko,Dim,Traitor,Goons 'huh' like I said :lol:It's obviously pointless to continue this line of discussion, since for some reason, you can't grasp what I am saying. :bang: