Ohio high school sued over strip searches

[highnote]

Many things amuse me more than disgust me. This is not one of them.

http://www.oweb.com/state/story/023202006_staOH--School-StripSearc.asp

What the hell were these administrators thinking? Big deal, some money was stolen. That does not give them the right to strip search high school girls. I don't care if it was $1,000 or $10,000. If the administrators are guilty I hope they are fined and sent to jail.

If this happened to one of my kids, I would be tempted to do more than sue. I hope that I would be able to remain calm.

In fact, if it ever does happen, I'll tell my kids to fight first, ask questions later. No way will I tolerate a teacher or principle telling one of my kids to disrobe.

[Suff]

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In fact, if it ever does happen, I'll tell my kids to fight first, ask questions later. No way will I tolerate a teacher or principle telling one of my kids to disrobe.

When Alito's wife went sobbing during the interview , I wondered to myself if she sobbed when they went VAGINA & ANAL on the 10 year old girl he authorized a strip search for?

You think she did? Or did she serve more whors d'oeuvres whilst they bemoaned what was wrong with the NIGGAS?
:lol:

Thats more like it I bet.


btw...who the F brings thier wife to an interview?:rolleyes:

[ljb]

Many things amuse me more than disgust me. This is not one of them.

http://www.oweb.com/state/story/023202006_staOH--School-StripSearc.asp

What the hell were these administrators thinking? Big deal, some money was stolen. That does not give them the right to strip search high school girls. I don't care if it was $1,000 or $10,000. If the administrators are guilty I hope they are fined and sent to jail.

If this happened to one of my kids, I would be tempted to do more than sue. I hope that I would be able to remain calm.

In fact, if it ever does happen, I'll tell my kids to fight first, ask questions later. No way will I tolerate a teacher or principle telling one of my kids to disrobe.

It's a sign of the times. Thou shalt not cross the neocons.

[GaryG]

It's a sign of the times. Thou shalt not cross the neocons.What in the f*** has this Ohio school got to do with neocons? You must see them in your f***ing dreams!:D

[DJofSD]

No way will I tolerate a teacher or principle telling one of my kids to disrobe.

OK. I can understand and agree with that.

But on the other hand, the liberals say it's OK for an under age girl to seek and get an abortion without parental permission.

[Tom]

Excellent point, DJ.

How about it, LIBS....what if the little girl, CONSENTS!
After all, it is HER body.

[highnote]

OK. I can understand and agree with that.

But on the other hand, the liberals say it's OK for an under age girl to seek and get an abortion without parental permission.


First, what the hell does getting an abortion have to do with strip searches? Can we stick to the topic or start a new thread? :bang:

[DJofSD]

Here's the point:

These girls, who for whatever reason were suspected of involvement with the reported theft, are under age. That means their parents are ultimately responsible for everthing that happens to them.

The ACLU thinks the civil rights of the girls have been violated. By extention, so have the rights of the parents.

But then the argument put forth by the ACLU is abortion rights for under age girls exceed the rights of the parents. And that the rights of the pregant girl seeking an abort allow her to operate as an adult. She's free to choose.

So if these girls are able to act as an adult to get an abortion why can't they be treated as an adult when it comes to being a suspect in a robbery?

[Buckeye]

4th Amendment

The "Right to Privacy" should also include the right not be killed even if you happen to be inside another's body.

4th Amendment precludes unreasonable Search and Seizures by the Federal Government, and I would also hope, school officials!

[highnote]

So if these girls are able to act as an adult to get an abortion why can't they be treated as an adult when it comes to being a suspect in a robbery?


First, I'll assume your logic is not faulty -- which it is. If these girls should be treated like adults for an alleged crime then the cops should have been called and they all should have been arrested, taken to the police station and strip searched there. Not asked to drop their panties in front of some school administrators.

If I use your logic school administrators can just go around accusing girls of crimes and ask them to take off their clothes so they can determine if the girls are hiding anything.

[Buckeye]

The right to abort stops at age zero? The ACLU is nuts. Where are the "rights" for the unborn?

[highnote]

The right to abort stops at age zero? The ACLU is nuts. Where are the "rights" for the unborn?


Can you guys start an abortion thread? Abortion has nothing to do with this thread. If you want to draw analogies fine. But these last few posts have nothing to do with the original topic.

It's like talking about moon landings in the middle of a thread about who are the KY Derby contenders this year.

[Buckeye]

I will answer that myself, the rights of the unborn are outside the comprehension of the ACLU. As far as Strip Searches go, I think "the parents" have nothing to do with it. When the State or ANY agency goes that far they had better be right or they pay for it. Notice given. Not only that, they would have to prove that they were justified given the scope of what they did as compared with the results they achieved. Otherwise, they pay.

[highnote]

These girls, who for whatever reason were suspected of involvement with the reported theft, are under age. That means their parents are ultimately responsible for everthing that happens to them.

Again, following your logic... if the parents are resposible, then why not call the parents and get their consent before strip searching them.

Oh, I know why they didn't call the parents. Can you imagine that call. "Uh, hello. Mr. Smith? This is principle Jones of XYZ High School. We believe that your daughter was one of 7 girls that might have stolen some property of another girl. I would like your permission to have your daughter take her clothes off for me and a few other administrators so we can see if she is hiding any money in her underpants."

That would go over real well.

[Buckeye]

I think the 4th Amendment is relevant and applicable to both subjects swetyejohn, the key word is unreaonable. Sorry if you don't agree with me.

[highnote]

As far as Strip Searches go, I think "the parents" have nothing to do with it. When the State or ANY agency goes that far they had better be right or they pay for it. Notice given. Not only that, they would have to prove that they were justified given the scope of what they did as compared with the results they achieved. Otherwise, they pay.

These are high school girls who "might" have stolen money. The girl who claims her credit card was stolen, later found it in her car. Didn't you ever lose something and the first thing you thought was that someone must have stolen it, but later found it and then felt like an idiot for thinking someone stole it rather than believing that you were capable of careless handling of it? Maybe that's what happened here. The girl misplaced her credit card and started accusing other girls of stealing it.

As far as I'm concerned a high school administrator does not have the authority to force strip searches of students. When it gets to that point, the Police, Parents, Lawyers, etc. need to be called in.

Again, I say, so what, a few dollars were stolen. It seems to me, the punishment of innocents was far more than the alleged crime.

[ljb]

What in the f*** has this Ohio school got to do with neocons? You must see them in your f***ing dreams!:D
Sometimes when I can think of nothing intelligent to say I swear. Alito has approved strip searching a 10 year old girl, Alito is a neocon. Try to look at the big picture GaryG.

[twindouble]

First, I'll assume your logic is not faulty -- which it is. If these girls should be treated like adults for an alleged crime then the cops should have been called and they all should have been arrested, taken to the police station and strip searched there. Not asked to drop their panties in front of some school administrators.

If I use your logic school administrators can just go around accusing girls of crimes and ask them to take off their clothes so they can determine if the girls are hiding anything.

I'll have to think about this mess, only because nowadays some of these kids are off the wall and could put others in danger. So what would be reasonable years ago could be reasonable today. Guns, knives, drugs, bombs, porn, sexual harassment, robbery, well you name it and it can show up in schools.

The way I understood Alito's decision, it was based on the strengths of the judges warrant, not that he disregarded the young lady's rights.


T.D.

[46zilzal]

I would tell whomever, in the simple act of going to school, to SCREW themsleves and leave..Hail big brother

[ljb]

OK. I can understand and agree with that.

But on the other hand, the liberals say it's OK for an under age girl to seek and get an abortion without parental permission.
I am a liberal and I think any medical procedure performed on an under age children should have parental consent. In the future when trying to put values on liberal thoughts please use the phrase "some liberals".

[highnote]

I think the 4th Amendment is relevant and applicable to both subjects swetyejohn, the key word is unreaonable. Sorry if you don't agree with me.


I just think that it IS unreasonable to strip search several high school girls because some money was allegedly stolen from one girl.

I smell a rat.

If I'm the principal at that high school there is no way I allow a strip search. I call the parents. Given the relatively small amount of money a high school girl would be carrying around that could be stolen, I don't think there is any way a strip search can be justified. None.

Let's say my kid is carrying around $1,000 at school. There's no reason for him to have that much money on him, but say he did. Then say a couple kids bully him in to giving up his money. My son complains to the principal.

I do not expect the principal to strip search the bullies. The $1,000 is not such a great sum to warrant such extreme action. The principal should call me and the bullies parents and we'll work it out. If we can't work it out, then there are the courts.

Again, in this Ohio case, I smell a rat.

[GaryG]

In the future when trying to put values on liberal thoughts please use the phrase "some liberals".You should consider giving conservatives the same coutesy and not all of your neocon bs....just my opinion of course..

[chickenhead]

Kickin hippies asses and raisin hell..

I was perturbed by your tag line Gary, It kept rumbling around inside my head, and then it came to me.....you're not responsible for what you're doing, you had a redneck mother? ;)

[DJofSD]

In the future when trying to put values on liberal thoughts please use the phrase "some liberals".

Point taken.

[twindouble]

I'll have to think about this mess, only because nowadays some of these kids are off the wall and could put others in danger. So what would be reasonable years ago could be reasonable today. Guns, knives, drugs, bombs, porn, sexual harassment, robbery, well you name it and it can show up in schools.

I meant to say what could be unrasonable years ago could be reasonable today.

The way I understood Alito's decision, it was based on the strengths of the judges warrant, not that he disregarded the young lady's rights.


T.D.

Just a little editing.

[Tom]

Reality check here.

IF school officials forced a minor to a strip serach, they should be arrested and charged with child molestation. That is what they are - child moesters.
Put thier name on the wathc lists, thorw them in jail, and ban them from the school system forever.

There is NEVER, EVER, under ANY circumstances, any excuse for schools to assumne ANY duties other than teaching. They have a hard enough time doing that.
If I had a kid and his teacher slapped him in class, that SOB would get to know my fist real fast. He would not be talking for a while.

[twindouble]

Reality check here.

IF school officials forced a minor to a strip serach, they should be arrested and charged with child molestation. That is what they are - child moesters.
Put thier name on the wathc lists, thorw them in jail, and ban them from the school system forever.

There is NEVER, EVER, under ANY circumstances, any excuse for schools to assumne ANY duties other than teaching. They have a hard enough time doing that.
If I had a kid and his teacher slapped him in class, that SOB would get to know my fist real fast. He would not be talking for a while.

I don't know Tom, still thinking. It's not as simple you make it out to be, for example the community expects the school administrators to protect their children and over the last two or three decades many cases were settled against them in court, plus they lost cases when it comes to privacy and rights to expression. :bang: The courts have taken over the schools, not the comunities as a whole.

T.D.

[highnote]

Reality check here.

IF school officials forced a minor to a strip serach, they should be arrested and charged with child molestation. That is what they are - child moesters.
Put thier name on the wathc lists, thorw them in jail, and ban them from the school system forever.

There is NEVER, EVER, under ANY circumstances, any excuse for schools to assumne ANY duties other than teaching. They have a hard enough time doing that.
If I had a kid and his teacher slapped him in class, that SOB would get to know my fist real fast. He would not be talking for a while.

That was kind of my take on it. They seem like perverts to me.

[highnote]

I don't know Tom, still thinking. It's not as simple you make it out to be, for example the community expects the school administrators to protect their children and over the last two or three decades many cases were settled against them in court, plus they lost cases when it comes to privacy and rights to expression. :bang: The courts have taken over the schools, not the comunities as a whole.

T.D.


And I expect my kids to be protected from child molesters and perverts posing as school administrators.

[twindouble]

And I expect my kids to be protected from child molesters and perverts posing as school administrators.

Apply the same thoughts to the Church. :mad:

[Tom]

Apply the same thoughts to the Church. :mad:

I still don't understand why the pisons are not bulging with catholic priests!

I kno wGod will punish them , but I would like a shot at them too....like throw them into the special cell blocks for the worst of the prison systems...let them find smething else they can do kneeling! :kiss:

[twindouble]

I still don't understand why the pisons are not bulging with catholic priests!

I kno wGod will punish them , but I would like a shot at them too....like throw them into the special cell blocks for the worst of the prison systems...let them find smething else they can do kneeling! :kiss:


That would be heaven to them. :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

You know, you guys are taking way TOO MUCH liberty with the posting policies around this place. This may be OFF TOPIC, but it isn't a free for all.

Since when did the language policy change around here? I'm tired of the thinly veiled "F" words and the use of the word "nigga" and all the other UNNECCESSARY NONSENSE that I don't want to see on my HORSE RACING BOARD.

Yes, it's off-topic, but the same rules apply here as they do elsewhere. When you signed up, you agreed to the FOLLOWING, in case you forgot:

By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

I've always maintained, from the beginning, that a certain level of decorum will be enforced, and you guys, especially in this post (and elsewhere recently) have pushed that level over the edge, and I for one am getting sick and tired of editing posts.

I'm also sick and tired of threads going off topic, even here, IN OFF TOPIC! :rolleyes:

So do me one favor will ya? Thanks in advance.

[highnote]

Maybe you should just delete it. It has served it's purpose.

[twindouble]

You know, you guys are taking way TOO MUCH liberty with the posting policies around this place. This may be OFF TOPIC, but it isn't a free for all.

Since when did the language policy change around here? I'm tired of the thinly veiled "F" words and the use of the word "nigga" and all the other UNNECCESSARY NONSENSE that I don't want to see on my HORSE RACING BOARD.

Yes, it's off-topic, but the same rules apply here as they do elsewhere. When you signed up, you agreed to the FOLLOWING, in case you forgot:



I've always maintained, from the beginning, that a certain level of decorum will be enforced, and you guys, especially in this post (and elsewhere recently) have pushed that level over the edge, and I for one am getting sick and tired of editing posts.

I'm also sick and tired of threads going off topic, even here, IN OFF TOPIC! :rolleyes:

So do me one favor will ya? Thanks in advance.

Will do PA, it won't take much for me to clean up my act but TOM:faint: go easy on him we need laugh now and them. :lol: