Throw away cell phones.

[twindouble]

I don't freaking get it, I hear yesterday the government thinks these phones can be a serious tool for terrorist but no one has the balls to halt the sale of the dam things until they put in fool proof controls. Dumb fools!

T.D.

[ljb]

Think about it for a minute. Who would suffer if they were banned right now?
This is a government by the corporations, of the corporations and for the corporations.

[Dave Schwartz]

TD,

The world and our individual lives run on communication. A huge part of the population (like 90%) would have a significant life change if cell phones were taken away.

Not ever going to hapen. Better chance that guns will be taken away first (and that won't happen either).


Dave

[chickenhead]

Dave, I have a feeling he is talking specifically about "throw away cell phones" i.e. disposable types, not saying that we should throw away cell phones.

Though if you think about it a throw away celly is no different than a payphone, they are both anonymous, just the celly is more convenient.

[twindouble]

TD,

The world and our individual lives run on communication. A huge part of the population (like 90%) would have a significant life change if cell phones were taken away.

Not ever going to hapen. Better chance that guns will be taken away first (and that won't happen either).


Dave

Dave they were just talking about the throw away phones, not the ones we use that are registered by name and contract. Evidently the throw away's are an entirely different animal. That's how I understood it.

[Tom]

In a perfect world, there would be no cell phones.
It is amazing how many ignoratn people use them as if they were sittingin thier living rooms. I like to to take mine out on airplanes, pretend to be talking to somebody, and say,"Speak up! I can't you over this A-hole sitting next to me. He is almost as loud as he smells!" :D

[twindouble]

In a perfect world, there would be no cell phones.
It is amazing how many ignoratn people use them as if they were sittingin thier living rooms. I like to to take mine out on airplanes, pretend to be talking to somebody, and say,"Speak up! I can't you over this A-hole sitting next to me. He is almost as loud as he smells!" :D:lol:

Please post this on my pet peeve thread, for postarity.

[chickenhead]

And I should say that I find it scary that it is beginning to be accepted that the ability to have a conversation without the government both:

A) Being able to listen
B) Knowing who is talking

is a national security threat. Or maybe I should say, it's OK to realize that it has some elements of a threat to it, but I don't think we are giving proper weight to the offsetting elements of liberty and privacy.

[twindouble]

And I should say that I find it scary that it is beginning to be accepted that the ability to have a conversation without the government both:

A) Being able to listen
B) Knowing who is talking

is a national security threat. Or maybe I should say, it's OK to realize that it has some elements of a threat to it, but I don't think we are giving proper weight to the offsetting elements of liberty and privacy.

What hell good is your liberty and privacy if you, your family and few more thousand Americans are blown to smithereens. Security first, then we will worry about our liberties.

T.D.

[Steve 'StatMan']

I thought I'd repeat a post from another thread, since it applies more to this thread:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by JustRalph
it was listed as one of the cases that were filed as a result of the spying/tapping, the day after the story broke. Gonzales also mentioned it in a response to congress.............

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5209103/


“The American heartland was targeted for death and destruction by an al-Qaida cell,” Ashcroft said at a news conference announcing the four-count indictment against the man, Nuradin Abdi, 32, a cellular telephone business owner in Columbus who is originally from Somalia.

This terrorist had a cell phone business in the U.S.! He might have set up phony registrations for any number of potential sleeper-cell members, so that the government couldn't tell who was really receiving the phones, and therefore the phone calls, here in the U.S. Can anyone totally trust that the 'ordinary American citizens with cell phones' are 100% just that? I sure can't.
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These bastards have quitely wormed their way into regular life here, with the chance to exploit the things we expect (like privacy rights, mass use of the lastest and greatest technology) using them as a disguise to work against us! :mad:

[chickenhead]

It seems to me that security and liberty are natural enemies, you cannot have total security without loss of all liberty.

So, assuming you are not taking a hard line as that, it is a balance of security vs. liberty that we are looking for....where that line exists is a very important debate.

If you are against throw away cell phones, I assume you also think all pay phones should be torn down, as another anonymous communications tool? And the computers at the library, those should go bye-bye as well? And no more letters through the postal service without them all being searched and recorded? Where is the line?

[Steve 'StatMan']

Good points Chickenhead. That's another reason I hate these terrorist operatives. They're forcing us into the ugly battle of drawing lines. The delays on a consensus puts us at more risks, while the arguments amongst ourselves and different supporting political groups continues to slowly tear us all.

When we all right as a society when we could presume that no one wanted to cause harm, and only a handful of nutjobs working alone, doing small things, were the only possible threat, so that all society could feel 'unmonitored' and we could retrace the steps and catch the nut jobs later. (The Unibomber, The Mailbox bomber - dumb kid, D.C. sniper, BTK in Kansas, etc) But it takes laws to get a handle on organized groups (see Organized Crime, still in business, certainly in the shadows, and life in the country goes on fairly 'normal' all the while.)

[twindouble]

Steve;

These freaking ding bats just don't get it. I think Bush should be doing he heck of lot more when it comes to our security and that might just come back to haunt him including us if we allow it to continue.

[Dave Schwartz]

TD,

LOL. Boy can I be dumb.

I thought you were saying we should throw away our cell phones.

I guess this is a good time to enjoy a good laugh at my own expense.



Dave

[Steve 'StatMan']

TD,

LOL. Boy can I be dumb.

I thought you were saying we should throw away our cell phones.

I guess this is a good time to enjoy a good laugh at my own expense.



Dave

Well, at least you're not picking your cell phone out of the trash!

[chickenhead]

Absolutely Steve, I think any threat like we have now causes at least three injuries to us.

The first being whatever damage they inflict directly, the second being the necessary steps we have to take to protect ourselves which are usually limiting to us often more than them, and the third being damage done to our relationships collectively as we argue about what needs to be done.

[JustRalph]

Statman, great post.......... I didn't even make that connection from my earlier post. Thanks...............

[betchatoo]

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What hell good is your liberty and privacy if you, your family and few more thousand Americans are blown to smithereens. Security first, then we will worry about our liberties.

T.D.

You want to give up those rights that we have fought so hard to protect for over 200 years so you can feel a little safer? These rights are what made us a great country. If we give them up because we are scared, what does that make us? Somehow I imagine the tone of these wiretapping and privacy threads would be a lot different if we were asking people to give up their firearms to make this country safer.

[Lefty]

The people I hear on cellphones don't give a whit about privacy. They talk loud enough to be heard from one side of the casino to the other. My wife insisted on cellphones for us a yr ago. I've made 2 calls in that time.

lbj, what do you libs have against corporations? We have stock in them and they provide jobs. Get real, son.

[twindouble]

You want to give up those rights that we have fought so hard to protect for over 200 years so you can feel a little safer? These rights are what made us a great country. If we give them up because we are scared, what does that make us? Somehow I imagine the tone of these wiretapping and privacy threads would be a lot different if we were asking people to give up their firearms to make this country safer.

betchatoo; First I want to be clear, I have no problem with good people looking to protect our civil rights, I'm very familiar with the Nixon's, Hoovers, Johnston's and Kennedy's of the past. This war is nothing like Nam or the civil strife that existed then that's very clear to me. It worries me that these very people that are looking to protect those rights will open the door for another 911 but only worst.

Unlike some, I have the confidence in the American people that we will wash out any wrong doing after we win this war and become secure again. Our history says under this constitution we can do just that. We can at this point support the war without aiding the enemy by doing subtle treasonous acts.

T.D.

[ljb]

The people I hear on cellphones don't give a whit about privacy. They talk loud enough to be heard from one side of the casino to the other. My wife insisted on cellphones for us a yr ago. I've made 2 calls in that time.

lbj, what do you libs have against corporations? We have stock in them and they provide jobs. Get real, son.
Lefty,
I personally have nothing against corporations, except when they try to tell me how I can live and what i must do to be in compliance with their goals.
Turn off faux infotainment and Rush and learn what is really going on here.

[Lefty]

What corps have tried to tell you how to live?
Turn on Fox News and find out the truth not your lib utopia crap.

Why do you guys keep thinking the govt is listening in on you. I think you are deliberately twisting the facts. If Al Quaeda not on other end of your conversation, no worries. Of course the Dems did listen in on Newt and the ACLU on Henry Hyde, but don't worry about Bush.

[toetoe]

If cellphones disappeared, I would forget to be outraged. I would be GIDDY! No trying to decide whom people are addressing at the counter. No guesswork (or LESS guesswork, anyway) as to what drivers are planning. No getting strangers' bidniz splashed all over the waiting room at the doctor. I can dream.

[boxcar]

In a perfect world, there would be no cell phones.
It is amazing how many ignoratn people use them as if they were sittingin thier living rooms. I like to to take mine out on airplanes, pretend to be talking to somebody, and say,"Speak up! I can't you over this A-hole sitting next to me. He is almost as loud as he smells!" :D


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My sentiments about cell phones exactly. Although, I finally did break down and get one by subscribing to a prepaid service. I've had the phone for about two years. In that period, I have received one incoming call (basically because virtually no one has the number), and in a typical three-month period, I might consume about 60 minutes of talk time. I don't even like to talk on phones that much (nor does my wife), so prepaid phones are the way to go.

I wonder if the government is worried about this kind of service, also. Even though my phone isn't disposable, from what I understand there is no way to track the phone number to an actual user. Does anyone know if this true?

Boxcar