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Dave Schwartz
01-12-2006, 03:31 PM
I am not currently a satellite user.

I have heard people talking about getting TVG on satellite. If I could make this happen, I would likely putchase a satellite system.

How does one find out about it?

Calling TVG gets me no where because I live in Nevada.


Regards,
Dave Schwartz

Valuist
01-12-2006, 03:34 PM
Both TVG and HRTV are on Dish Network (channel 405 and 404). I don't have DirectTV but I believe they have TVG but no HRTV.

schweitz
01-12-2006, 03:35 PM
TVG and HRTv are both on Dish Network.

kenwoodallpromos
01-12-2006, 03:39 PM
Both on direct tv in Ar when I was on vacation. So far I like HRTV best!

Alc
01-12-2006, 03:43 PM
Go to www.dishnetwork.com.

rrbauer
01-12-2006, 04:35 PM
DISH routinely has some promotions that work out to getting a free dish with free installation and minimal charges for receivers (unless you go for the BIG KAHUNA==HDTV with a DVR). And, recently they have been giving the movie channels free for the first three months. After using video tape via a VCR to record races for years, using the DVR is so cool and easy to use for both recording and replay that even my wife has figured it out....which sometimes is a bad thing because of conflicts over what to record/playback! Anyway I was a DISH user for years in Calif and then when we finally go our place built here in Hee-Haw country I didn't hesitate to install it again.

With both TVG and HRTV there's very little live racing around the country that you won't be able to see. And, both are part of their basic 60-channel package.

rokitman
01-12-2006, 05:44 PM
You can get HRTV for free. You need a dish and a box that is commonly sold on Ebay. It's a legal box, it has no unscrambling abilities although, of course, there are those that alter the box to get stuff they are not supposed to. But HRTV is listed as a Free-To-Air here http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html This is a page for US stations that are "in the air." If it says DVB on the chart, you can get it. Not sure about what you need to do to get the ones that say something else, if anything. There are stations from around the world that are also FTA but shown on other pages. The scope of what you can scoop is only limited by where the satellites are in the sky. You won't be able to point at all satellites with one dish. You'll need more dishes if you want to be an full-blown international swinger. But the main ones that you want are in the same area of the sky. Google "free to air satellite."

toetoe
01-12-2006, 06:08 PM
Roki,

It says with a motor, you can get more than one satellite. Now, before answering, remember that there's no such thing as a stupid question. :D

Dave Schwartz
01-12-2006, 06:39 PM
Dick,

With both TVG and HRTV there's very little live racing around the country that you won't be able to see. And, both are part of their basic 60-channel package.

Does this mean you can get the channel without having a TVG account? (I cannot get one, living in Nevada.)

Dave

toetoe
01-12-2006, 06:45 PM
Close, Dave. As I understand it, you can get HRTV without an account.

BillW
01-12-2006, 06:46 PM
Be careful, Dave. In addition to TVG/HRTV the MLB package (all teams/most games) is available - it can be addictive. :)

BTW both are available independent of having an account.

Dave Schwartz
01-12-2006, 06:53 PM
Well, as it turns out, Dish Network said I cannot get TVG in Nevada.

BillW
01-12-2006, 07:03 PM
Wow, casinos wield a heavy hammer. Neither have account wagering available here, but DishTV service is no problem. Is HRTV locked out too? (I'm guessing it is).

toetoe
01-12-2006, 07:30 PM
Insomniacs out there, three little letters fuh ya: MLB :sleeping:

Milleruszk
01-12-2006, 08:16 PM
Well, as it turns out, Dish Network said I cannot get TVG in Nevada.


Wow! Even in NJ I can subscribe to Dish Network and receive TVG and HRTV.
Nevada has the power to block a TV station within its borders? I thought NJ was repressive and controlled by the casino lobby. I cannot open a TVG wagering account but at least I can watch the races and bet through the internet. If you have a TVG account you can place wagers with your TV remote. :cool:

PaceAdvantage
01-12-2006, 08:33 PM
I can't believe you can't get the channel. The channel is independent of the betting network. I don't need to be a member of TVG to get the channel on cable TV here in NY....I don't bet a dime through TVG, but I can watch it every single day....

Unless the casinos don't even want you watching racing on TV because it would keep you away from the casino windows....do they ban the weekly racing on ESPN as well?

JimG
01-12-2006, 09:13 PM
Well, as it turns out, Dish Network said I cannot get TVG in Nevada.

There is a betting interface on the remote control that people can use to wager through dish. I would bet that the person you spoke to at Dish thought you meant bet. While it is possible to restrict based on address, I have never heard of this with either TVG or HRTV. I had DirecTV and had access to TVG and there was never any mention of any states restricted via satellite. I would check again and make sure they understand you are only talking about watching the channel.

It's even on Cox Cable in parts of NV according to website.

In fact, the TVG website says it is available via satellite nationwide. Here is the link:

www.tvg.com/iefive/about/wheretowatch.asp (http://www.tvg.com/iefive/about/wheretowatch.asp)

Jim

andicap
01-12-2006, 09:37 PM
Dave,
I agree with PA and the others. There's no way Nevada can block the channel itself. Are you sure they didn't mean you can't open an account with TVG?

I would call Dish Network or a Dish retailer and find out. Or call TVG itself.
Or maybe its like blacking out the signal of basketball games on a national network to protect the local network's right?
Think of the casinos as the local station/regional cable network.

:confused:

BillW
01-12-2006, 10:26 PM
I just called Dish Network and specifically asked about channel 404 and 405 (rather than asking about TVG or HRTV by name) availability in Nev. They confirmed that these 2 channels were horse racing related and said that they were available in Nevada.

I cannot guarantee this is the right answer, afterall I was talking to customer service :bang: but I would recommend pursuing it further.

Bill

Dave Schwartz
01-12-2006, 10:27 PM
I called TVG and Dish Network. They both said the same thing.

DishNet just said that channel "was not available" in Nevada.

Dave

BillW
01-12-2006, 10:33 PM
Best solution - walk into a dealer who has a dish system operating as a demo. Ask for the remote and check out ch. 404/405 and see what appears.

BIG49010
01-12-2006, 10:38 PM
Have a friend in another state buy the dish and put bill on your credit card with autopay, and have address for bill go to that state. The " Dish" doesn't know where it is at, I have mine for Michigan in Florida and gets locals from MI. You can also go with CANADA dish, but you get different stuff, it depends on what tracks your looking for.

bobbyb
01-13-2006, 05:42 AM
Dave, I'm north of Toronto; my account with DishNetwork is in Michigan, and has been for the past 9 years. Installation is simple do-it-yourself - . I purchased the system, and as BIG said - go on Autopay - works like a charm. Surf the net for Sat providers bordering Nev. (I think DishNetwork has a clip on their site listing providers in neighboring states). Key word(s) is Sat. Provider not Dealers. Good Luck.

bobbyb

rokitman
01-13-2006, 07:03 AM
If it is blocked, at has to be at the box level. A box from a different source won't have it. You'll be paying your monthly fee. I doubt they would give a shit if you took it upon yourself to get those diabolical horse racing channels. It's you that'll end up in the slam, not them.

Toss_DeLoser
01-13-2006, 09:59 AM
What rokitman said earlier. gooogle "Free To Air". You can find a dish w/lnb's buy a receiver, load some software in it and BOOM, you have everything that's available on DN. DTV isn't available this way. :cool:

Dave Schwartz
01-13-2006, 11:48 AM
Bobby (and others),

Thanks for the ideas.


Dave

Tom
01-13-2006, 11:51 AM
Dick,



Does this mean you can get the channel without having a TVG account? (I cannot get one, living in Nevada.)

Dave

I get both channels and do not have a TVG account. It if part of the basic Dish package - Top60 or whatever.

rrbauer
01-13-2006, 05:39 PM
DISH identifies its customers via the smart card(s) in the customers'
receiver(s). Sooo, if you get a receiver that is a "live" receiver that was not IPL'd in Nevada (read: California) then your receiver will get the channels.

It doesn't matter about the physical dish that is outside the house other than it has to be installed and locked into the satellite(s) before it will receive the signals.

JustRalph
01-13-2006, 05:55 PM
DISH identifies its customers via the smart card(s) in the customers'
receiver(s). Sooo, if you get a receiver that is a "live" receiver that was not IPL'd in Nevada (read: California) then your receiver will get the channels.

It doesn't matter about the physical dish that is outside the house other than it has to be installed and locked into the satellite(s) before it will receive the signals.

rrbauer is right on here. They are handing out smarter and smarter cards nowadays too. they just made me change all 4 of mine so that they could do more. I have some extra software options now too.............

Dave Schwartz
01-13-2006, 06:25 PM
Smart cards: So, does that mean that I'd need to open the account from an out-of-state address?

Dave

rrbauer
01-13-2006, 07:39 PM
Smart cards: So, does that mean that I'd need to open the account from an out-of-state address?

Dave
You could do that.

But, you could also have a connection with someone in another state and have them get an extra receiver. Once that receiver is IPL'd to their account then they could send/deliver the receiver to you. The receiver would still be billed to them (you work out the reimbursement details) but it's connected to your dish and your tv.....you get whatever the smart card/receiver is programmed to recieve.

As far as DISH is concerned the smart card/receiver is on their network but they don't know (read: care) where it's located for programing purposes.

You would setup your account with a Nevada receiver but then swap it out for the other one.

rrbauer
01-13-2006, 07:59 PM
Actually, you wouldn't even need to swap out the receiver....just the smart card that is inserted into the receiver.

BillW
01-13-2006, 08:12 PM
Pay-per-view would probably not be possible under this arrangement either. Not that you're missing anything :).

schweitz
01-13-2006, 09:22 PM
Dave---regardless of what you have been told by Dish Network, I would do what Bill W suggested and go to a local Dish Network dealer and see if channels 404 and 405 are available on their receiver before I did anything else. If they have really blacked it out in Nevada I would be real curious as to why. Good luck.

mainardi
01-14-2006, 01:10 AM
GOOD NEWS for Dave S!!! :cool: :cool: :cool:

I copied this from a 12/16/05 article by Richard Eng (he covers the horse racing industry in his column) from the Las Vegas Review-Journal: u25A0 HRTV — The Santa Anita meet begins Dec. 26. But to watch the races at home, you better switch your TV service now from Cox Cable. Last year I called and wrote Cox suggesting they add HRTV to their lineup. No response. So I did what many local racing fans are doing, switch to either DISH or DIRECT TV. Both satellite companies show HRTV and TVG.

Here's the link... the quote is at the bottom of the article:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Dec-16-Fri-2005/sports/4825928.html

Bottom line... looks like Dave can get his racing channels! :)

Oops, Mr. Eng did make one mistake... HRTV is NOT available with DirecTV... that's why I have DISH Network! :jump:

tahoesid
01-14-2006, 01:36 AM
You can't switch cards in any of the current receivers without getting them activated...and you can't(or at least are not allowed to-altho it does happen) switch cards to different accounts

Dave Schwartz
01-14-2006, 02:42 AM
Great stuff.

Thanks, guys.

TJC
01-14-2006, 12:38 PM
Dave,

I live in Henderson, NV and I have just talked to my neighbor who has Dish network. He tells me that whenever he puts on channels 404 or 405, he gets horse racing on both channels.

Hope this helps.

TJC

Dave Schwartz
01-14-2006, 12:51 PM
TJC,

Thanks so much! Best news so far.

I guess there official position is that they don't support it but they actually do.


Dave

BillW
01-14-2006, 12:53 PM
TJC,

Thanks so much! Best news so far.

I guess there official position is that they don't support it but they actually do.


Dave

My best guess is that they don't support training their reps. Cell phone companies find that a burden also. :bang:

rrbauer
01-14-2006, 01:12 PM
You can't switch cards in any of the current receivers without getting them activated...and you can't(or at least are not allowed to-altho it does happen) switch cards to different accounts

IPL'd means "activated".

Of course you "can't" switch cards to different accounts....that's why we discuss it here!

:)

JustRalph
01-14-2006, 05:22 PM
My best guess is that they don't support training their reps. Cell phone companies find that a burden also. :bang:

Bingo!!!!!!! :lol:

xfile
01-14-2006, 05:30 PM
And when you do finally get TVG make sure your 'mute' button works on the remote.....the attack of the talking heads....:D :D

Dave Schwartz
01-14-2006, 06:13 PM
Well, I ordered DishNet. Will let you know.

Good deal (if it works):

Installation=free
activation=free

$32 a month ($20 for the first 3 months).


Now I just need a 15" flat panel that will take the hook up.

You guys have done so well up to now, any suggestions there?


Dave

tahoesid
01-15-2006, 12:06 PM
Actually, you wouldn't even need to swap out the receiver....just the smart card that is inserted into the receiver.

This is the post I was referring to ....can't do without reactivating receiver

Figman
01-15-2006, 12:22 PM
Dave,
I have a Samsung SyncMaster 171MP that I love.
I have cable and am on the net while watching the my cable channel 12 with live races in the corner of my screen. One button and I've got full screen horse racing. And while in the picture in picture mode, you can move the live TV picture anywhere on your screen that you desire.

Dave Schwartz
01-15-2006, 01:02 PM
Figman,

I assume that you have a video card that accepts TV-in.

What video card do you use?

Dave

Figman
01-15-2006, 01:51 PM
Not the best...an ATI Radeon 9600.
http://tinyurl.com/84hxm

Dave Schwartz
01-15-2006, 02:59 PM
I would like to run it off my laptop which has a 9700. I did not realize that it had TV in. (Does it?)


Dave

Figman
01-15-2006, 03:32 PM
Scroll to the bottom of my previous attachment and read pages "3" & "5". It should answer your questions. I did but the option about the size of a pack of cigarettes for about $85 for the ability of hooking my cable-in.

Dave Schwartz
01-15-2006, 04:26 PM
Fig,

I get it! The monitor is actually doing the work and not the computer!

I assume, then, that using the computer to DVR the race is out of the question?


Dave

rrbauer
01-15-2006, 07:35 PM
This is the post I was referring to ....can't do without reactivating receiver

What happens when you turn off the power on the receiver and then turn it back on? So long as the smart card in the receiver was a good one before you turned off the power and wasn't otherwise deactivated then it will be a good one when you power up again.

Sooo, when the power is off and you swap the smart cards (same model receivers) and then turn them back on, so long as the smart cards have been active before and not otherwise deactivated then the DISH network doesn't know what you did and the receivers will behave as the smart cards were programed even though they have been moved to different receivers.

Removing a smart card from the receiver when the power is off doesn't deactivate it, if it is reinserted before powering up again.

tahoesid
01-16-2006, 12:42 AM
On all the current Directv receivers, it does't matter what you do it will tell you "wrong access card inserted". I would imagine Dish would be doing the same thing on all their new receivers, but I don't know that part for a fact.

Dave Schwartz
01-22-2006, 04:45 PM
Well, here is an update.

I got my satellite system installed - has to be DishNetwork because Direct TV does not have the two racing channels (TVG & HRTV).

The satellite system was $49 activation fee (refunded on the first bill) and a $40 "maintenance agreement" (for 18 months) to "insure proper response to service."

Cost per month is $32.99, but the first 3 months were only $19.99 each).

I had to purchase a 3rd-party device to take the TV input (WinTV; $99 at CompUSA) and it was a piece of cake after that. WinTV connects via a USB2 port, so no special video card to purchase.

Picture is excellent. Sound is still a struggle but that is because something is not right in my laptop. Installed on a second computer and away it went.

I have traded the device in for another that had better recording features and the ability to burn directly to a DVD. (Plus it came from my regular supplier and was only $69.)


Dave

Tom
01-22-2006, 07:57 PM
...... and a $40 "maintenance agreement" (for 18 months) to "insure proper response to service."


Dave

Sounds like "protection."

Dan Montilion
01-22-2006, 08:31 PM
Did the "protection" come in a tinfoil wrapper?

Dan Montilion

Dave Schwartz
01-22-2006, 08:57 PM
Tom,

These guys made it perfectly clear that if you depend upon dishnet for service it could be weeks. Do you suppose they stand out front and stop the DishNet guys from servicing?


Dan,

Dirty, dirty, boy.


<G>

Dave

Tom
01-22-2006, 10:31 PM
Dan, I condom talk like that!:)

toetoe
01-22-2006, 11:09 PM
Tom,
On behalf of all Oakland football fans, I express ... CONDOM NATION! :mad:

rokitman
01-22-2006, 11:14 PM
You have been condomed to death by the California State Penile Code.

BIG49010
01-23-2006, 05:38 AM
I had to purchase a 3rd-party device to take the TV input (WinTV; $99 at CompUSA) and it was a piece of cake after that. WinTV connects via a USB2 port, so no special video card to purchase.

Picture is excellent. Sound is still a struggle but that is because something is not right in my laptop. Installed on a second computer and away it went.

I have traded the device in for another that had better recording features and the ability to burn directly to a DVD. (Plus it came from my regular supplier and was only $69.)



I have been thinking about this, you record races to hard disk or DVD? Can you run all the betting on net with TV running? I have laptop also, and would like to buy additional monitor and use for TV, is this a good idea?

Thanks

Dave Schwartz
01-23-2006, 10:58 AM
There shouldn't be any overhead in terms of bandwidth since it is the devices that are carrying the load. There might be some slowdown but I have not seen any, although in my case, this is not the computer I use to wager from.

I have not yet tried the recording features, waiting until I get the sound going.


Dave

BIG49010
01-23-2006, 11:33 AM
Thanks Dave.

Keep posting on how it is going.

I bought my computer to do just what your talking about, and then never did it because of the additional card for TV, and I read the resolution was not that great. I just tape replays with VCR, but would love to store all races on computer and watch on larger screen. The replays via the net are so small, and my eyes are not the best anymore.

BillW
01-23-2006, 11:58 AM
Tom,

These guys made it perfectly clear that if you depend upon dishnet for service it could be weeks. Do you suppose they stand out front and stop the DishNet guys from servicing?

Dave

Which service were they referring to? Warranty service on your receiver?

Dave Schwartz
01-23-2006, 12:32 PM
Bill,

Any service.

Understand that I did not actually purchase the equipment. It just comes with the service.

But the guy is not sure what happens after 18 months (the activation contract). Do I keep the equipment? He said, "I guess so." LOL -

I said, "If I keep paying the $32 per month I guess you'd give me another unit if it broke."

He said, "No, you'd have to buy another one."

I said, "Then I guess I'd cancel the service and start a new one."

These satellite guys do not lend confidence to the scenario.
Dave

Dave Schwartz
01-23-2006, 12:35 PM
Big,

The picture is small - like a web picture but expandable. As far as I am concerned it is fine. Full screen is a little fuzzy. The real issue is the timing - today I will compare YouBet (via the web) to DishNet - I expect that DN will be real time while YB will be 15-30 seconds behind.

Dave

BillW
01-23-2006, 12:44 PM
My local guys seem to be fairly straight with me (they get treated like shit too) but the dish companies rank right up there with the cell companies. My original sat-TV experience was about 10 years ago with the only option being a "rental" receiver. When the contract was over, they told me to just throw it away. The $3.95/Mo was just an excuse for an added expense (plus the potential insult of telling me that what they were charging me for was absolutely worthless to them). I have since bought my receiver(s) and have had good luck (contrary to other reports that I've heard). I now have a referb DVR that Disnnet was selling for $149 and I'm on a month-to-month with the subscription service. Seems to me that the most unencumbered relationship with these people is the best (same advise for cell phone companies :rolleyes: )

Bill

BillW
01-23-2006, 12:47 PM
Big,
The real issue is the timing - today I will compare YouBet (via the web) to DishNet - I expect that DN will be real time while YB will be 15-30 seconds behind.

Dave

I've watched them side-by-side at the track and TVG/HRTV is maybe 3 to 4 secs. behind direct track feeds (and up to a minute ahead of net feeds).

Bill

Dave Schwartz
01-23-2006, 01:01 PM
Bill,

Well, I am really disappointed right now.

Tampa Bay is preparing to run and there is not more than a 9-second difference before they load.

We'll see how the running of the race goes.

Dave

Dave Schwartz
01-23-2006, 01:04 PM
off time diff: precisely 9 seconds.

This was just not worth $33 per month.

TJC
01-23-2006, 02:47 PM
Dave,

You mentioned that you have YouBet via the web on your computer.

I was under the impression that NV residents were barred from signing up with YouBet or TVG. Do you have a non-betting account with YouBet? If so, what is the monthly fee they charge and can you see all of the races live?

Thanks,
TJC

Tom
01-23-2006, 03:59 PM
Why does the off difference upset you?
Weren't you just not able to watch the races?

Or are you past posting:eek: ;)

Dave Schwartz
01-23-2006, 04:14 PM
TJC,

I use my wagering partner's YouBet account.



Tom,

My complaint was that I want to see the races real time so that I may know when the horses are really loading the gate.

Dave

PaceAdvantage
01-24-2006, 02:01 AM
YouBet seems to have gotten a lot better in terms of delay. A year ago, they were a good 20+ seconds behind....

JustRalph
01-24-2006, 08:11 AM
Dave, I have noticed that sometimes the delay is as much as 10-15 seconds and other times as little as 3 seconds. If you can get local TV on a nearby set, tune to a local "over the air" program that is also on Sat and see what the delay is.......It is about 3 seconds where I live in Ohio. When I lived in california it was about 10 seconds. Maybe it is based on what bird you are using to get the signal?


Come on Dave........spend an extra ten bucks a month and you can watch the new season of Deadwood and Soprano's!

Dave Schwartz
01-24-2006, 09:56 AM
Ralph,

Are you kidding? We have cable and get just about every channel on the planet. Sopranos? I have been waiting almost two years for the last season.

Deadwood is one I have never seen, however.

The only reason I went for DishNet was the horse racing and it is only available in my office.


Dave

JustRalph
01-24-2006, 10:21 AM
I didn't know you had both...........mea culpa.........

rrbauer
01-24-2006, 10:39 AM
Some of the delay on the Youbet feed to your computer is a function of the amount of buffering that has to happen in order to get the video into a "stream" for your video player. Even with broadband, the difference between a 1.5kb download speed and a 600kb speed is significant when the output is video. I haven't "timed" the difference between the "live" satellite-TV feed and the Youbet feed lately. I have noticed that the "Off" designation for a race pops up on the Youbet screen within a few seconds of the race being started on the TV feed.

To me the best reason for having the HRTV/TVG feed is the ability to record the race on my DVR, play it back one or more times immediately, make any relevant trip notes, and then delete it. This will be the first year that I've had the DVR during the 3-YO Classic prep campaign and I hope to have a library of races for reference that will support my handicapping of those venues.

tahoesid
01-24-2006, 11:24 AM
The way Directv works as far as equipment goes: You sign up for a minimum of one year for basic equipment and 2 for advanced stuff. After that minimum period, the equipment is yours to do with whatever you want to.

After the first 90 days of install(for most of the receivers), the equipment is yours to take care of. If it breaks you pay to get it replaced, fixed etc. This includes having anyone come out to fix anything....it is not covered after the first 90 days unless you have a service contract.

Most of the equipment will be replaced (currently) if it breaks for a small replacement fee, if you sign up for another minumum period of service, or a larger fee with no committment.

Dave Schwartz
01-24-2006, 12:53 PM
Sid,

According to everything I have seen, DirectTV does not carry the horse racing channels. Am I wrong?

Dave

JustRalph
01-24-2006, 01:28 PM
Sid,

According to everything I have seen, DirectTV does not carry the horse racing channels. Am I wrong? Dave

they have TVG only

http://www.kaptainsatellite.com/direct-tv-channel-lineup.htm

i found this link..........it is part of the Total choice package

garyoz
01-24-2006, 03:48 PM
Sid,

According to everything I have seen, DirectTV does not carry the horse racing channels. Am I wrong?

Dave


DirecTV is owned by News Corp. (controlled by Rupert Murdoch also owns Fox, etc.). News Corp is the majority shareholder of Gemstar, the parent company of TVG. So DirecTV and TVG are related.

That is why TVG became available on DirecTV almost immediately after News Corp bought the network from Hughes. Also why you won't see HRTV on DirecTV until TVG and HRTV cut some sort of cooperative deal (if ever)

Dave Schwartz
01-24-2006, 03:52 PM
Also, there is a huge difference in cost (to me) since TVG & HRTV are part of the basic package on DishNet ($32.99) but you've got to spend $90+ for the big package on Direct TV.

Thanks for the info.


Dave

JimG
01-24-2006, 04:38 PM
TVG is part of sports pack on DirecTV and is an extra 10 dollars or so added to the basic package. You must subscribe to a basic package. The cheapest is ParaTodos which is half english, half spanish channels at around 30 bucks a month. Add sports pack to that runs about 40 a month.

Jim

tahoesid
01-26-2006, 10:20 AM
Right...the sports pack by itself is $12 added to any basic package. Includes local sports channels for lots of different areas, but mostly they wont show any professional games on them except in the subscribers zip code.

As of about March, they are also increasing the prices of most base packages by a few dollars also. Inflation? what inflation?