God's Wrath!

[Secretariat]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060105/ap_on_re_us/robertson_sharon

NORFOLK, Va. - Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine punishment for "dividing God's land."

"God considers this land to be his," Robertson said on his TV program "The 700 Club." "You read the Bible and he says `This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, `No, this is mine.'

[JustRalph]

man, there must be a special kind of heaven for this guy...........

[twindouble]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060105/ap_on_re_us/robertson_sharon

NORFOLK, Va. - Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine punishment for "dividing God's land."

"God considers this land to be his," Robertson said on his TV program "The 700 Club." "You read the Bible and he says `This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, `No, this is mine.'


See what I mean when I say religious fanatics like him scare the crap out of me, another Jim Jones in disguise.

[Lemon_Drop_Kid]

I like when these guys like Fallwell, Baker, Swaggert, Robertson, et al...say assinine things like this.

It exposes them for what they are: lying, hypocritical, amoral, adultering scam artists.:liar:

Then their careers are pretty much finished in any legitimate arena. They will still have the stupid rednecks who will send them money, but slowly these guys sooner or later fall off the radar.:sleeping:

That John Edward of Crossing Over is another dou*he who needs to be taken off the air.:ThmbDown:

All these men will rot in hell, and I'll be there to kick their a*ses. :jump:

[boxcar]

I like when these guys like Fallwell, Baker, Swaggert, Robertson, et al...say assinine things like this.

It exposes them for what they are: lying, hypocritical, amoral, adultering scam artists.:liar:

Geesh, and here I just thought that when they "say assinine things like this" that it just exposed their poor hermeneutics and, consequently, their even worse eschatological views because of it.

Boxcar

[twindouble]

Geesh, and here I just thought that when they "say assinine things like this" that it just exposed their poor hermeneutics and, consequently, their even worse eschatological views because of it.

Boxcar

Please translate that for me. :confused:

[lsbets]

Sec, you missed the best part - where he said that Rabin's assasinations was also God's doing because he was going to trade land for peace. Personally, if Robertson volunteered for a one man mission to Uranus without any commo equipment to take with him, I would lend my full support to get him the job.

[Bobby]

man, there must be a special kind of heaven for this guy...........


Your right there with him.

[boxcar]

Please translate that for me. :confused:

Geesh, TD, I expected better of you:

Hermeneutics: : the study of the methodological principles of interpretation (as of the Bible

Eschatology: 1 : a branch of theology concerned with the final events in the history of the world or of mankind
2 : a belief concerning death, the end of the world, or the ultimate destiny of mankind; specifically : any of various Christian doctrines concerning the Second Coming, the resurrection of the dead, or the Last Judgment

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to know that the cursed conventional wisdom in the mainstream church today, in terms of eschatololgy, is the belief in Dispensationalism, which is a radical form of Historical Premillenialism. A few of the central tenets to this radical, but popular view, is that the Nation of Israel is still the chosen people of God, that Israel will once again occupy the land God promised to the Israelite's patriarch Abraham, and that when Christ returns he will establish a literal 1000-year kingdom here on earth and will rule the world for this period of time from Jersualem.

Needless to say, I do not subscribe to this view. :)

Boxcar

[twindouble]

Geesh, TD, I expected better of you:

Hermeneutics: : the study of the methodological principles of interpretation (as of the Bible

Eschatology: 1 : a branch of theology concerned with the final events in the history of the world or of mankind
2 : a belief concerning death, the end of the world, or the ultimate destiny of mankind; specifically : any of various Christian doctrines concerning the Second Coming, the resurrection of the dead, or the Last Judgment

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to know that the cursed conventional wisdom in the mainstream church today, in terms of eschatololgy, is the belief in Dispensationalism, which is a radical form of Historical Premillenialism. A few of the central tenets to this radical, but popular view, is that the Nation of Israel is still the chosen people of God, that Israel will once again occupy the land God promised to the Israelite's patriarch Abraham, and that when Christ returns he will establish a literal 1000-year kingdom here on earth and will rule the world for this period of time from Jersualem.

Needless to say, I do not subscribe to this view. :)

Boxcar

I'm with you when it comes to Jews believing they are chosen. Don't bother me though, heck for a people with such a calling they sure have had a tough go of it, haven't they. If it makes them feel better about themselves, that's fine with me.

Thanks, but don't expect to much of me when it comes to English, if I don't know something I'll ask or go out of my way to learn it if I desire. I am what I am. :cool:

[boxcar]

I'm with you when it comes to Jews believing they are chosen. Don't bother me though, heck for a people with such a calling they sure have had a tough go of it, haven't they. If it makes them feel better about themselves, that's fine with me.

Thanks, but don't expect to much of me when it comes to English, if I don't know something I'll ask or go out of my way to learn it if I desire. I am what I am. :cool:

Well...don't forget...under the old economy, and according to the Abrahamic Covenant in the OT, the Jews most certainly were the chosen people of God. However, under the New Covenant, God expanded his soteriological* horizons, as it were, and the the term "Jew" in the NT is frequently used in a spiritual sense that now includes both believing Jews and Gentiles -- in other words the body of believers who comprise the true Christian Church.

*soteriology: : theology dealing with salvation especially as effected by Jesus Christ

Boxcar

[twindouble]

Well...don't forget...under the old economy, and according to the Abrahamic Covenant in the OT, the Jews most certainly were the chosen people of God. However, under the New Covenant, God expanded his soteriological* horizons, as it were, and the the term "Jew" in the NT is frequently used in a spiritual sense that now includes both believing Jews and Gentiles -- in other words the body of believers who comprise the true Christian Church.

*soteriology: : theology dealing with salvation especially as effected by Jesus Christ

Boxcar

I'm writing a new covenant, all horse players from here on are the chosen ones. :jump: I had a vision of 7 grade 1 horses so I'm waiting for the return of Secretariat so he will cover all the mares and they will prosper in their home land. :cool:

[Jeff P]

Just noticed after making my last post in another thread that my post count was right at 666. Not wishing to incur Pat Robertson's wrath I decided to "divide" my posts a little and make one on this side of the site.

-jp

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[PaceAdvantage]

You see, Sec and Bobby and all the rest of the loons were hoping they could bait us into defending the villiage idiot (Pat Robertson). It didn't work a few months ago, and it won't work now. Unlike the left, those of us in the majority are able to make certain intelligent distinctions DESPITE party affiliation or SUPERFICIAL labels.

It's unfortunate that you guys (loons) can't do the same (the name Howard Dean comes to mind....but there are plenty of others).

[JustRalph]

Your right there with him.

Wow! Making it personal huh? As usual...........

[GaryG]

Wow! Making it personal huh? As usual...........
This can only be settled in a fight to the death cage match on pay per view. I'd pay $39.95 for that one....:lol:

[JustRalph]

This can only be settled in a fight to the death cage match on pay per view. I'd pay $39.95 for that one....:lol:

Sorry....... I am too old and fat to give you your moneys worth.....

[Bobby]

Its all in good fun.
JR looks like a jolly, happy fellow in that pic I saw of him in the gallery.

[boxcar]

Just noticed after making my last post in another thread that my post count was right at 666. Not wishing to incur Pat Robertson's wrath I decided to "divide" my posts a little and make one on this side of the site.

-jp

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Too late, JP, you have already taken the "mark". ;)

Boxcar

[twindouble]

Too late, JP, you have already taken the "mark". ;)

Boxcar


Ah, the devil and Christianity; The church has come a long way hasn't it, no more burning at the stake, no crusades, meat on friday, abortion exits and do nothing about it, just like our democracy. No slavery but people getting paid share cropper wages. The greater majority are suposed to be Christians but morality has hit the pits. Prests raping our children by the thousands over many years and Pope helps to hide it. Here in Mass the church is running out money to pay the victims but in Lenox they just raised a milllion to build an addition so they can have bingo. The pastor lives in luxury just behind the chuch, drives a new car. I guess it's ok because there's a confession booth close by. I doubt the sucker ever had a snow shovel in is hand. The Jews and Palestinians are digging up fossil's to prove they were there first whereas we give the Indians casino's after taking everything from them.:jump: Liberal politics at work. Just think about it, if we horse players could unite we could find ways to get free grants from the State and Fed government, we could call it The Study of Being Addicted To Chalks. BATC for short.:lol:

See you in chuch but keep your children at home, it's XXX rated there.

T.D

[boxcar]

Ah, the devil and Christianity; The church has come a long way hasn't it, no more burning at the stake, no crusades, meat on friday, abortion exits and do nothing about it, just like our democracy. No slavery but people getting paid share cropper wages. The greater majority are suposed to be Christians but morality has hit the pits. Prests raping our children by the thousands over many years and Pope helps to hide it. Here in Mass the church is running out money to pay the victims but in Lenox they just raised a milllion to build an addition so they can have bingo. The pastor lives in luxury just behind the chuch, drives a new car. I guess it's ok because there's a confession booth close by. I doubt the sucker ever had a snow shovel in is hand. The Jews and Palestinians are digging up fossil's to prove they were there first whereas we give the Indians casino's after taking everything from them.:jump: Liberal politics at work. Just think about it, if we horse players could unite we could find ways to get free grants from the State and Fed government, we could call it The Study of Being Addicted To Chalks. BATC for short.:lol:

See you in chuch but keep your children at home, it's XXX rated there.

T.D

TD, surely you don't want the Christian Church to influence political and social issues, do you? JP is far better off with the "mark" than you would be by incurring the wrath of the ACLU.

Boxcar

[46zilzal]

Recenlty saw a good one called "God is Brazilian" about said fellow who comes to earth to help some people in need. Well done with subtitles

[twindouble]

TD, surely you don't want the Christian Church to influence political and social issues, do you? JP is far better off with the "mark" than you would be by incurring the wrath of the ACLU.

Boxcar

Come on Boxcar, you know very well the church has historically influenced politics and social issues. I was just talking about the hypocrisy that exists to no end.

There's no question in my mind most Americans are fed up, better yet sick of the ACLU, with the exception of politicians getting their money. Besides, I'm 65 now, all I have to do is join AARP. :lol: Plus I'm on Medidept Care and Social Insecurity. :lol:

T.D.

[toetoe]

'Double,

The priests I knew (NOT Biblically :liar: ) in my youth really lived in "poverty," i.e., they didn't own the not-so-new cars they shared. They had the usufruct of the material things, but not the ownership, as a tenant has the right to occupy, but not to own. This can be abused, and I'm sure it is, as you say.

As gamblers, we may be able to attain "handicapped" status. I know alcoholism is considered a handicap, which confers a set of entitlements, I believe. Special parking stickers may be part of that. I don't know. Heck, why not gambling? It's not responsible, like risking someone's life savings for a fat commission, which almost never happens, anyway. :liar:

[twindouble]

'Double,

The priests I knew (NOT Biblically :liar: ) in my youth really lived in "poverty," i.e., they didn't own the not-so-new cars they shared. They had the usufruct of the material things, but not the ownership, as a tenant has the right to occupy, but not to own. This can be abused, and I'm sure it is, as you say.

As gamblers, we may be able to attain "handicapped" status. I know alcoholism is considered a handicap, which confers a set of entitlements, I believe. Special parking stickers may be part of that. I don't know. Heck, why not gambling? It's not responsible, like risking someone's life savings for a fat commission, which almost never happens, anyway. :liar:

Those priests were just serving an apprenticeship, its just a front to a better labor free existence. Just think about it, all you have to do is learn the book and the ways of the church and your set for life by telling everyone they will end up in hell. In other words scare the shit out them so they will give up their money, if they don't they we'll be denied an after life. Biggest scam in the world. Just ask Pat and Jerry. :lol:

It's no wonder homosexuals and pedophiles ended up in the church, great place to hide because at one time being a homosexual wasn't excepted by our society. Many years ago I was telling friends and family the church was loaded with them but it fell on deaf ears.


T.D.

[toetoe]

I can't imagine how a truly devoted priest must feel. A nightmare, I guess. I can't really disagree with your sentiments. It can be a very plush setup.

[twindouble]

I can't imagine how a truly devoted priest must feel. A nightmare, I guess. I can't really disagree with your sentiments. It can be a very plush setup.

I find that those you refer to aren't in touch with reality, that or they are devoted the way of life, having the masses wipe their fanny as they kneel before them.


T.D.

[boxcar]

Come on Boxcar, you know very well the church has historically influenced politics and social issues. I was just talking about the hypocrisy that exists to no end.

There's no question in my mind most Americans are fed up, better yet sick of the ACLU, with the exception of politicians getting their money. Besides, I'm 65 now, all I have to do is join AARP. :lol: Plus I'm on Medidept Care and Social Insecurity. :lol:

T.D.

I'm well aware of how the chuch has "historicially influenced politics and social issues". I was referring to the current political/social climate in the here and now -- in the good ol' U.S. of A.

And you also know that whenever Christians have tried to influence society for the Good, we are ridiculed and mocked. We are told to get off our holier-than-thou, sanctimonious high horse and quit trying to shove our brand of morality down people's throats, yada, yada, yada. Don't you know that everyone's own particular brand of morality is infinitely superior to God's Law and to his spiritual remedy for sinful mankind?

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Those priests were just serving an apprenticeship, its just a front to a better labor free existence. Just think about it, all you have to do is learn the book and the ways of the church and your set for life by telling everyone they will end up in hell. In other words scare the shit out them so they will give up their money, if they don't they we'll be denied an after life. Biggest scam in the world. Just ask Pat and Jerry. :lol:

It's no wonder homosexuals and pedophiles ended up in the church, great place to hide because at one time being a homosexual wasn't excepted by our society. Many years ago I was telling friends and family the church was loaded with them but it fell on deaf ears.


T.D.

Oh, yeah...one more thing: The new convenant in the NT does not sanction any kind of priesthood -- or even celibacy! How's that for an eye-opener? Is it any wonder the church has become so corrupt and wicked?

Boxcar

[toetoe]

TD,

You make depravity sound almost like a prerequisite for the job. I can't agree.

[twindouble]

I'm well aware of how the chuch has "historicially influenced politics and social issues". I was referring to the current political/social climate in the here and now -- in the good ol' U.S. of A.

And you also know that whenever Christians have tried to influence society for the Good, we are ridiculed and mocked. We are told to get off our holier-than-thou, sanctimonious high horse and quit trying to shove our brand of morality down people's throats, yada, yada, yada. Don't you know that everyone's own particular brand of morality is infinitely superior to God's Law and to his spiritual remedy for sinful mankind?

Boxcar

To me morality or what ever you want to call it, is a basic human instinct to survive, not a tool to used by groups or institutions so they can survive and control how we live or think. Simple as that!

The current political and social climate, is an indication that we as social democracy haven't made much progress in that area, same old crap but presented in a different ways as a result of the mass media.

T.D.

[delayjf]

To me morality or what ever you want to call it,

If it were left to the individual to determine "their morality" the world would live in utter chaos.

I don't blame you for how you feel about the TV evangelist. I hate the fact that they are getting rich off Gods word. I recall reading one female TV evangelist claiming that God wanted her to live comfortably. :mad: She's still on TV, how I'd love to audit her organization.

However, mans imperfections does not invalidate Gods word or Jesus Christ's sacrifice.

[twindouble]

If it were left to the individual to determine "their morality" the world would live in utter chaos.

I don't blame you for how you feel about the TV evangelist. I hate the fact that they are getting rich off Gods word. I recall reading one female TV evangelist claiming that God wanted her to live comfortably. :mad: She's still on TV, how I'd love to audit her organization.

However, mans imperfections does not invalidate Gods word or Jesus Christ's sacrifice.

What heck, one would have to be in a coma not to come with, thou shall not kill, thou shall not steal and so on, it's survival in the simplest sense, just to protect yourself and posessions including the wife with no rights. :lol:

[GaryG]

What heck, one would have to be in a coma not to come with, thou shall not kill, thou shall not steal and so on, it's survival in the simplest sense, just to protect yourself and posessions including the wife with no rights. :lol:
TD: This is the truth. Sure there are charlatans in organized religion and they have high visibility. There are charlatans in every field, just look at racing info for example!! Please don't let people like Robertson, Swaggart, Bakker etc. blind you to the truth in God's word. It is too important. God bless.

[boxcar]

To me morality or what ever you want to call it, is a basic human instinct to survive, not a tool to used by groups or institutions so they can survive and control how we live or think. Simple as that!

That's cute: "basic human instinct"!? If it were left solely to basic human instinct, man would be extinct by now! (For your info, powerful world empires have crumbled one after the other due to the lack morality on a national level.) Furthermore, TD, "institutions" and "groups" do control how we live. These are called governments and politicians, respectively. And they do this with little items called "laws".

Further, you want it both ways. You want to criticize the church (an institution) for failing to sufficiently influence society for the better; but then turn right around and tell me that “morality or what ever…” shouldn’t be used by groups or institutions. Which is it, sir? If it’s the latter, then what is the basis for your complaint about the church failing society?

Boxcar

[twindouble]

That's cute: "basic human instinct"!? If it were left solely to basic human instinct, man would be extinct by now! (For your info, powerful world empires have crumbled one after the other due to the lack morality on a national level.) Furthermore, TD, "institutions" and "groups" do control how we live. These are called governments and politicians, respectively. And they do this with little items called "laws".

Further, you want it both ways. You want to criticize the church (an institution) for failing to sufficiently influence society for the better; but then turn right around and tell me that “morality or what ever…” shouldn’t be used by groups or institutions. Which is it, sir? If it’s the latter, then what is the basis for your complaint about the church failing society?

Boxcar

Why wouldn't I point out all the hypocrisies when it comes to the church, one would have to be blind not to see it.

Boxcar; Quote; That's cute: "basic human instinct"!? If it were left solely to basic human instinct, man would be extinct by now!

That's even cuter, everything that's written was pened by man, if woman had a hand in it we would be reading a different book. There woudn't have been an immaculate conception that's for sure.

T.D.

[boxcar]

Why wouldn't I point out all the hypocrisies when it comes to the church, one would have to be blind not to see it.

Seems to me you were complaining about more than hypocrasies -- which, btw, I don't deny. Weren't you lamenting the failure of the "institution" to transform society?

Boxcar; Quote; That's cute: "basic human instinct"!? If it were left solely to basic human instinct, man would be extinct by now!

That's even cuter, everything that's written was pened by man, if woman had a hand in it we would be reading a different book. There woudn't have been an immaculate conception that's for sure.

Actually, that's probably not accurate. The Book of Ruth in the O.T. (of all places!) was probably written by Ruth.

And why are so sure about the immaculate conception? I guarantee you that if every book in the bible had been written by a woman, those women would have true to what what they were inspired of God to write. I don't believe women would have been a problem to the Almighty. :)

Boxcar

[twindouble]

Seems to me you were complaining about more than hypocrasies -- which, btw, I don't deny. Weren't you lamenting the failure of the "institution" to transform society?

Boxcar; Quote; That's cute: "basic human instinct"!? If it were left solely to basic human instinct, man would be extinct by now!

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Actually, that's probably not accurate. The Book of Ruth in the O.T. (of all places!) was probably written by Ruth.

And why are so sure about the immaculate conception? I guarantee you that if every book in the bible had been written by a woman, those women would have true to what what they were inspired of God to write. I don't believe women would have been a problem to the Almighty. :)

Boxcar

I was just pointing out that woman weren't in any position of authority in writing the Bible old or new. I would hope to think you agree with that. Surely their perspective on what was going on in Christ's time would have been different. The book of Ruth I thought was just fiction to support something else in the old testament. I'm not sure so I can't agree or disagree. Keep in mind I haven't read the Bible in many years, like 40 or so, likewise I haven't gone to church.

No, I was being facetious about the immaculate conception, I don't believe it. Some scholars think Christ fathered children, that makes more sense to me.

[toetoe]

Dang, if JDog had written literature for the little ones, who knows? Maybe great thespians of the day could gain clemency for him. Instead of the brutal trip he got, he'd live to a ripe old age, and original sin would be ruining our day right now.

[wes]

If religions are so good why do we have the crime we have in the world today?

wes

[GaryG]

If religions are so good why do we have the crime we have in the world today?

wes
For the same reason you can lead a horse to water but not make him drink. With the freedoms that we enjoy each person has the inalienable right to reject the Lord and be just as mean as possible. It's the American way. Religion can not be responsible for the nation's crime. That starts at home.

[wes]

For the same reason you can lead a horse to water but not make him drink. With the freedoms that we enjoy each person has the inalienable right to reject the Lord and be just as mean as possible. It's the American way. Religion can not be responsible for the nation's crime. That starts at home.
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I think that all nations claim to have religions of some kind. THose that I have been in did. It's not the american way. It's mankind's way. American's
are just one of them. When you think of religion you can't think of just American's. You should be thinking of all mankind. We were all from the same family according to the bible. Leave it to man to screw it up for all. Perhaps before there was even an American.

wes

[GaryG]

Wes, at this point I have no idea what your point is. There are perhaps hundreds of religions practiced somewhere in the world and they have very little in common. There is no common denominator when comparing the effects of various religions upon their respective societies. Some, such as Islam, advocate violence and terrorism. Some, such as Buddhism, advocate pacifism. Some countries mandate the state's religion must be followed or else. Again, no religion can be blamed for the actions of the masses. People in most countries (in particular this one) have the right to reject religious teaching and follow whatever course they will. Bon voyage.

[Tom]

The thing about this that upsets me, although not at all surprising, is that Bush sticks his $.02 in blasting Pat for exercising freedom of speech. Agree or not, Pat is free to say what he did. Bush, on the other hand, should really learn when to keep his foul mouth shut. Where was this puddin' head when the mexicans called us nazis? Where was this numbskull when presidente fox condemed our country for trying to protect our borders from his social problems? When patriotic Americans stood up and started patroling the borders and reporting illegal entries - everything this SOB president is supposed to do under Article 2 of the constitution - which he cites a wire tap athority - he calls them vigilantes!

Bush, you POS, shut your stupid mouth. :mad:
Every time I hear this fountain of mis-information I feel like I need a shower.
How low can the dems be for me to have to support this mental midget???

[GaryG]

For a conservative GW has an odd take on the Mex border problem. I think he speaks spanish better than he does english. Maybe because his brother is married to a mexican?

[Tom]

Bush is not a conservative.....I don't what you call it, beside jerk, but he embraces very few conservative ideals. He is to conservatism as a drag queen is to womanhood. Only more revolting.:ThmbDown: :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown:

[delayjf]

Bush sticks his $.02 in blasting Pat for exercising freedom of speech. Agree or not, Pat is free to say what he did.

I think his comments were really intended to pacify the Muslem dominated Mid-East. Tensions are high right now.


When patriotic Americans stood up and started patroling the borders and reporting illegal entries - everything this SOB president is supposed to do under Article 2 of the constitution - which he cites a wire tap athority - he calls them vigilantes!

Lets face it, GW or any of our leaders refusal to protect our borders is pure politics, its about not alienating the fastest growing segment of our population which will some day translate into a huge political force, and will take over California in the near future.

I know the Dems feel that they will be the party that best represents the Latinos by promising them social program after social program. I'm not so sure, working with latinos I've found them as a group to be hard working, and intensely loyal to their faith (Christian). They often come here with nothing, work hard and improve the future of their children. As they move up the social ladder they tend to become more and more conservative.

[Secretariat]

You see, Sec and Bobby and all the rest of the loons were hoping they could bait us into defending the villiage idiot (Pat Robertson). It didn't work a few months ago, and it won't work now. Unlike the left, those of us in the majority are able to make certain intelligent distinctions DESPITE party affiliation or SUPERFICIAL labels.

It's unfortunate that you guys (loons) can't do the same (the name Howard Dean comes to mind....but there are plenty of others).

Man, you really are paranoid. I just thought the article exposed the guy as a buffoon.

What I liked was Robertson saying this was God's land that Sharon was giving away. Hey, isn't everything God's land if he created the whole earth. The guy's nuts. Certified.

[JustRalph]

Bush is not a conservative.....

Amen!

[toetoe]

PA,

Let's make sure no readers confuse cause and effect. It should go without saying, but those of you in the majority, the ones that are right, are not right BECAUSE you have numbers. The majority is already tyrannical. It's not a panacea, though many may find real comfort in it. :)

[PaceAdvantage]

By majority, I was simply restating the results of our last Presidential Election.

[toetoe]

Fair enough.

[rrpic6]

By majority, I was simply restating the results of our last Presidential Election.

Robertson was 100% right about that election. He said God told him Bush would win. Hope God tells him who'll win the 06 KY Derby, and NOW...I need a Futures Bet. Can someone here ask him?:D

[Tom]

The president of Iran, a known terrorists and US citizen kidnapper, said Israel should be removed fro the face of the earth and that the holocoustnever happened.

Just curious where was the uproar of that statement? By libs or Bush.

[GaryG]

The president of Iran, a known terrorists and US citizen kidnapper, said Israel should be removed fro the face of the earth and that the holocoustnever happened.

Just curious where was the uproar of that statement? By libs or Bush.
This Death to Israel bs has been spouted by just every arab leader. That is why I say, as friends and allies of Israel, we are in a defacto war against Islam. As long as there are Palestinians there will be no peace in the middle east. Israel needs a real hard ass conservative that would just as soon kill them all as look at them. They have the technology and the hardware, just not enough people.

[Secretariat]

This Death to Israel bs has been spouted by just every arab leader. That is why I say, as friends and allies of Israel, we are in a defacto war against Islam. As long as there are Palestinians there will be no peace in the middle east. Israel needs a real hard ass conservative that would just as soon kill them all as look at them. They have the technology and the hardware, just not enough people.

So now you're advocating the killing of all Palestinians? If they kill all Palestinians who will clean the toilets in Israel?

[GaryG]

So now you're advocating the killing of all Palestinians? If they kill all Palestinians who will clean the toilets in Israel?
Sometimes you have to suffer...They were offered an "alternate" homeland, but that wasn't good enough. They want their land back...or else. They're not getting it back so....or else. Palestinians are a rallying point for every arab that hates Jews and Christians.

[Secretariat]

Palestinians are a rallying point for every arab that hates Jews and Christians.

We agree on that. Why is this do you think?

[GaryG]

We agree on that. Why is this do you think?
It gives them something concrete to rally behind that has some validity from their point of view I suppose. What else could they say? Syria, Jordan and Egypt could all say they hate Israel because the Jews mercilessly kick their asses every time they start one of their misguided wars (6 day, Yom Kippur etc). The arabs are ill equipped to fight any kind of war except with terrorists and suicide bombers and it's not going to end any time soon. They have those yoyos waiting in line so they can have unlimited sex with 72 virgins and all that hogwash. The efforts to establish some kind of peace in the region will continue to fail because the Palestinians and their allies don't want peace.

[Tom]

We agree on that. Why is this do you think?

Because they all share the same, murderous, brain damaged mind sets - kill the west. They are the enemy of freedom everywhere. They are religious idiots who have have no resepct for life. You call the homacide bombings by the palestineans justified in any way whatsoever? They have brought whatever reactin Israel has leveled against them through their actions. SH, btw, rewarded them for killing innocent people. Freedon fighters??? Give me a friggin' break - theses are murderous vermon.

[boxcar]

If religions are so good why do we have the crime we have in the world today?

wes

The essence of spiritual death is separation from God. Only biblical Chrisitianity has the power, through the gospel message, to restore Man to God.

Boxcar

[Tom]

Man, you really are paranoid. I just thought the article exposed the guy as a buffoon.

What I liked was Robertson saying this was God's land that Sharon was giving away. Hey, isn't everything God's land if he created the whole earth. The guy's nuts. Certified.

Curious as to whether you apply the same standards and conclusions to Mayor Ray in NO - he said yesterday that Katrina was God's punishement of blacks for not taking care of each other. Is Mayor Ray a buffoon too? Is he nuts, certified?

And if he is, then might it not be worthwhile to re-evaluate his handling of NO during the hurricane, and might it not be that Bush was not the guy in the wrong after all? Might Mayor Ray have worsened the situtation, being a nut and certifiable and all that? Gosh, maybe Ray himslef was the tool God used to get back at the black people! Who'd of thuunk it?!
Inquiring minds want to know.......:bang:

[lsbets]

Damn Tom - I was about to post the same thing. Here's the quote:

"Surely God is mad at America. He sent us hurricane after hurricane after hurricane, and it's destroyed and put stress on this country," Nagin, who is black, said as he and other city leaders marked Martin Luther King Day.

"Surely he doesn't approve of us being in Iraq under false pretenses. But surely he is upset at black America also. We're not taking care of ourselves."


http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/16/D8F65JUG5.html

And one more:

"It's time for us to come together. It's time for us to rebuild New Orleans _ the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans," the mayor said. "This city will be a majority African American city. It's the way God wants it to be. You can't have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn't be New Orleans."

He wants a "chocolate New Orleans." If a white man said that on any day, not just MLK day, that white man would be run out of town as a racist.

But, back to the hurricanes. Is the same hate and condemnation going to be directed at Mayor Nagin as was at Pat Robertson? We shall see, but I have my doubts.

[betchatoo]

A stupid remark is a stupid remark no matter who makes it. Somehow I can't see God standing around heaven thinking that Black people in New Orleans needed a flood to straighten them out. Besides, He promised that next time He was going to rain down fire.

I actually did appreciate some of the Mayor's other remarks though. He said that Bllack men needed to take care of their women, take care of their children and work together to fix each other. It is necessary, but how to begin?

[kenwoodallpromos]

Pleaes tell me why you are so ready to judge others who judge others or God?
Robertson is claiming to read God's mind; this serves as an extreme cautionary example that we should be leary of Democrats who pretend to read minds.

[Tom]

A stupid remark is a stupid remark no matter who makes it. Somehow I can't see God standing around heaven thinking that Black people in New Orleans needed a flood to straighten them out. Besides, He promised that next time He was going to rain down fire.

I actually did appreciate some of the Mayor's other remarks though. He said that Bllack men needed to take care of their women, take care of their children and work together to fix each other. It is necessary, but how to begin?

Apparently, they are not giving their women enough chocolate!:rolleyes:

[Secretariat]

Curious as to whether you apply the same standards and conclusions to Mayor Ray in NO - he said yesterday that Katrina was God's punishement of blacks for not taking care of each other. Is Mayor Ray a buffoon too? Is he nuts, certified?

And if he is, then might it not be worthwhile to re-evaluate his handling of NO during the hurricane, and might it not be that Bush was not the guy in the wrong after all? Might Mayor Ray have worsened the situtation, being a nut and certifiable and all that? Gosh, maybe Ray himslef was the tool God used to get back at the black people! Who'd of thuunk it?!
Inquiring minds want to know.......:bang:

If Ray says stuff like this, then yes, he is nuts, certified, just like Robertson.

[boxcar]

If Ray says stuff like this, then yes, he is nuts, certified, just like Robertson.

Just goes to confirm many of us knew just prior to and in the aftermath of Katrina -- before he made those idiotic remarks. It's no wonder at all that whackjob handled that disaster so poorly.

Boxcar

[toetoe]

Stewards have ruled that Mayor Ray is officially NUTS! Even George Clinton, the Chocolate City man, must concur.

[kenwoodallpromos]

This IS one of the nuttier things Pat has said!
People who say nutty things are only right 3% of the time!