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PaceAdvantage
11-08-2005, 11:51 PM
Bush gets the blame for the riots in France? Or has it already happened, and I somehow missed it....
Isn't it odd that the French media, which practically couldn't contain its glee at the way Hurricane Katrina went down, doesn't hold Chirac to the same standard of care that it holds GWB?
Such hypocrisy....or have they really found a way to lay the French riots at Bush's feet?
superfecta
11-09-2005, 12:02 AM
if we dont send them some sort of aid package to help in this time of French need.Them poor frogs are under assault and we havent sent troops to help.Or cash.I think someone will blame Bush soon,probably some congressman needing face time on CNN.Will tie it into anti war sentiment or something.Played poker with a serviceman last week,he was just back from Iraq,said its amazing what is going on in Iraq.Building infrastructure and the people by and large are glad we are there.Really a nice guy,felt bad busting him out.
Secretariat
11-09-2005, 04:03 AM
Why would Bush get the blame for the riots in France? This is an economic issue exploding over there. 40% unemployment in some of those neighborhoods, and the France have no affirmative action programs at all to deal with minorities. It's a disaster waiting to happen. You don't have 40% unemployment in urban areas without unrest.
This is not GW's fault, and I haven't seen it claimed as such....now as to other issues...
JustRalph
11-09-2005, 04:59 AM
and the France have no affirmative action programs at all to deal with minorities.
yeah........that is what they need. One more artificial quota program would have saved the entire country................you Dems kill me............
kenwoodallpromos
11-09-2005, 10:48 AM
I assumed they blamed the riots on Lance Armstrong by now!LOL!
boxcar
11-09-2005, 11:06 AM
Why would Bush get the blame for the riots in France? This is an economic issue exploding over there. 40% unemployment in some of those neighborhoods, and the France have no affirmative action programs at all to deal with minorities. It's a disaster waiting to happen. You don't have 40% unemployment in urban areas without unrest.
This is not GW's fault, and I haven't seen it claimed as such....now as to other issues...
More simplistic, black and white thinking. The Muslim problem over there goes a lot deeper than economics.
In fact, it goes so deep and the denial by the Left is so extensive that much of the mainstream media is downplaying the Muslim factor as much as it can. After all, the media, (and Bush to be fair) has consistently portrayed Islam as a religion of Piece(s). (Oops, pardon my typo.)
Boxcar
GaryG
11-09-2005, 11:34 AM
In today's climate of political correctness you can bash Christians all you want, even though this country was founded on Christian principles. Say anything negative about Muslims though and you are simply unenlightened or intolerant. Since I am not politically correct, I can say that Islam is a religion of hate and the fewer Muslims we have in the U.S. the better off we would be. You have to see the humor in a jihad against France....I can see them shaking their fists in the air now while chanting Death to Chirac!
It appears to me that Boxcar and Gary are finally coming out and calling this war what it really is. A Holy war, like back in the middle ages. Go Christians !
PS to PA,
Bush had nothing to do with the riots in France, it's the rest of world he's screwed up. ;)
PaceAdvantage
11-09-2005, 01:09 PM
I don't buy it....I think this will somehow be laid at Bush's feet....if not today, perhaps in a month or so....everything is Bush's fault...someway, somehow.
toetoe
11-09-2005, 01:29 PM
I know who can go over the pond to smooth the waters. No, not Bush, not Billary, not Jesse JacksOff. Jerry Lewis. YES!!
Lady! Lady! LADY!
That'll get 'em.
Are we looking in the mirror with France? Uncontrolled immigration of peple with no jobs?
what possible reason is there to allow one to migrate to your country if they have noting to offer, no way to take care of themselves. Affirmative action for minorities....you mean racist hiring policiesdon't you? Affirmative action is blatant racism - period.
GaryG
11-09-2005, 06:22 PM
OJ getting off was the ultimate affirmative action.
DrugSalvastore
11-11-2005, 01:08 AM
I don't buy it....I think this will somehow be laid at Bush's feet....if not today, perhaps in a month or so....everything is Bush's fault...someway, somehow.
PA, do you really think Bush is any kind of decent president? Don't give me anything about how horrible Gore or Kerry would be either--just an honest answer to the question I asked.
Bush takes excessive abuse from the politcally biased liberal hacks--but, with that said, the guy has been DREADFUL as a president. I think anyone who is being honest with themselves has to come to that conclusion.
I think Presidents should only be allowed to serve one four-year term. Clinton's 2nd term was disgraceful, GW Bush is remarkably doing worse in the 2nd term than his disappointing first term, Reagen supposedly struggled in his 2nd term compared to a strong 1st term, Thank God no one gave Carter a 2nd term, Nixon went to hell in his 2nd term, Trumen was hated after his 2nd term....who was the last president to have a good 2nd term?
Eight years is WAY too long.
I'm not big on talking politics that much---looking through this board, I'd probably be considered left-leaning here--though for my age group and with my friends, I'd be considered right-leaning on economic issues and left-leaning on social issues. I'm proudly not a biased hack, one way or the other.
It seems so fashionable to be a biased hack these days!, one way or the other, I just don't get why.
46zilzal
11-11-2005, 01:52 AM
even the rutabaga couldn't be held accountable for this one
toetoe
11-11-2005, 04:38 AM
I'm sorry some of them WENT to term.
I think he described the situation accurately.
"The problem with the French is that they don’t have a word for entrepreneur.”
— George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
Maybe all the frogs gotta do is enroll the 30% unemployed yuuts in some 4-h clubs. Damn socialists.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
PaceAdvantage
11-11-2005, 09:52 AM
PA, do you really think Bush is any kind of decent president?
Ask me again in 10-15 years, and I'll have my answer for you. And besides, you're taking my thread off topic.
DrugSalvastore
11-11-2005, 06:08 PM
Ask me again in 10-15 years, and I'll have my answer for you. And besides, you're taking my thread off topic.
The topic of this thread was "how long will it be until Bush gets blamed for riots in France?"
I do remember quite well back to the time when Clinton was president. He got blamed constantly for stuff he had no control over. Just like Bush is now.
People have huge political biases---and they try to pin everything good that happens on their side, and everything bad that happens on the other side. I'm really quite shocked you haven't figured that out by now. Why would you even take anyone seriously who tries to blame French riots on an American president?
As for the ask me in 10-to-15 years stuff..., don't you come from a betting and speculation backround?? If I asked you for an opinion on Saint Liam--or an opinion on a stock like Krispy Kreme donuts--you wouldn't say 'I'll give you an answer in 15 years'---would you?
I realize events in Iraq could miraculously break in Bush's favor, or Osama bin Laden might fall into a trap and get captured, or the economy could come out of it's funk and explode....but i'll go out on a limb and say it won't happen.
PaceAdvantage
11-11-2005, 06:22 PM
I realize events in Iraq could miraculously break in Bush's favor, or Osama bin Laden might fall into a trap and get captured, or the economy could come out of it's funk and explode....but i'll go out on a limb and say it won't happen.
You see, in my mind, he doesn't need all three of those things. Not even close.
But, given the biases out there, I suppose maybe you are right. Maybe all these things do have to happen....
It's actually getting quite shocking what people have taken to heart as their reality.
In my reality, things aren't all that much different then they were 10 months ago when Bush took the oath for a second time. In fact, in my mind, certain things are much better.
Yet, you read this forum, and you look at polls, and you'd think there has been some sort of catastrophic turn somewhere, be it with the economy, or internationally, politically, etc....but I just can't find the rationalization for this "turn", IMO.
DrugSalvastore
11-11-2005, 07:01 PM
You see, in my mind, he doesn't need all three of those things. Not even close.
Yet, you read this forum, and you look at polls, and you'd think there has been some sort of catastrophic turn somewhere, be it with the economy, or internationally, politically, etc....but I just can't find the rationalization for this "turn", IMO.
Well, he damn sure better get one of those three things.
Few seem to care about Osama bin Laden anymore, but he is actually the most important of those three things to me. I'm in the huge minority that thinks that guy is VERY dangerous, and certain to strike again. Not only is bin Laden badly underestimated, but everyone seems to forget that he was the glue that held everything together, in an act that killed nearly three thousand Americans and sucker punched our economy. The people of any nation with pride and honor should demand a HUGE effort be made to capture that guy and bring him to justice. It's not just politicians who are failing on this, it's the American people who are failing, because they aren't demanding the politicans go and get him. He calls us "paper tigers", threatens to "kill us", does kill us!, and now tells us how he will "kill us" some more. Am I the only one who thinks this guy needs to pay for what he did? Am I the only one who thinks he's still more dangerous than any other man opposing us?
PA, as for the political "turn" you talk about....
Bush won his election over Kerry because he convinced people that we are on the right track and things will get much better very soon.
He got people to believe that "we've turned the corner!" That was his big slogan I heard on the stump...and it resonated. But, when you say stuff like that...you are raising the bar and the expectations. People bought into that, so they expected to see marked improvement across the board. Instead they got a diet of bad news...hurricanes, CIA leaks, a very questionable appointment to the Supreme Court, record gas prices, etc. It's unfair to pin all of that on Bush---but by selling everyone on the idea that we turned the corner...a lot of people are understandably turning against him now.
Because of the steady diet of bad news, he's now paying the price for the slogan he sold the public on, the same slogan that gave him his election victory.
Lefty
11-11-2005, 08:40 PM
sec says:40% unemployment in some of those neighborhoods, and the France have no affirmative action programs at all to deal with minorities. It's a disaster waiting to happen. You don't have 40% unemployment in urban areas without unrest.
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See what happens whe you embeace socialism?
Drugsal, is Bush a decent pres?
Damn right. Kept the economy going after 9-11. Not afraid to take the fight to the terrorists. Not afraid to take on the big unpopular issues like SS and using our own resources for energy.
That makes him a great Pres.
PaceAdvantage
11-12-2005, 12:26 AM
He's nowhere near a great President....you can't be that biased.....
He's certainly not as bad as he's been portrayed, but he is definitely not a great President to date....
Lefty
11-12-2005, 12:38 AM
Well, then you'll have to clue me in on what, in your estimation, it takes, to be a great pres. This man has accomplished so much, and has been rather silent about it. He just doesn't toot his own horn.
Great economy, democracy in the Middle East, takes on the unpopular issues.
He does lack the "silver tongue."
DrugSalvastore
11-12-2005, 01:44 AM
Great economy, democracy in the Middle East, takes on the unpopular issues. He does lack the "silver tongue."
Come on Lefty, my friend!
* Great is a pretty strong word---I don't think a lot of people would agree that the economy is doing great.
* Democracy in the Middle East....hopefully that's how it ends up. It's a mess over there right now---Bush still has time to turn it around...maybe he can.
As for Bush "not tooting his own horn." He's a politician--they all toot their own horn. I've never heard of a politician who accomplishes something and doesn't brag about it on the stump.
Honestly, I liked his dad a lot better. Seemed like a much more genuine and impressive guy to me. His dad was obviously not nearly as good at being political though. He didn't have a fake accent, dumb himself down, and dress up like a cowboy. To me, he seemed like a very serious and thoughtful person who just didn't come across very well to some people.
Lefty
11-12-2005, 01:53 AM
drugsal, Bush rarely toots his own horn. Everytime the wind blew Clinton called a press conference to toot it up for himself. Bush needs to do it more. W has accomplished a whole lot more than his dad, but i'll agree H very likeable. Didja ever see a war that wasn't a mess? But we've accomplished a lot, just ask the guys over there or the guys that's been there. Don't you read lsbets posts? The economy has been extolled greatest in 20 yrs and that's without the phony dotcom overpriced stock. Only the dems play down this economy. I'll ask you the same I asked PA> What the hell, do you consider a great pres?
46zilzal
11-12-2005, 01:59 AM
Didja ever see a war that wasn't a mess? But we've accomplished a lot, just ask the guys over there or the guys that's been there. Don't you read lsbets posts?
why have a war and then you wouldn't have a mess?? escpecially since it accomplishes ZIP
Lefty
11-12-2005, 02:06 AM
46, if you don't know by now, you never will. Accomplished zip? Tell that to Saddam who's sitting in a cell. Tell that to the Iraquis who are getting ready to vote again in Dec. And tell that to our brave troops.
46zilzal
11-12-2005, 02:09 AM
the brave dead ones can't hear a thing now can they?
DrugSalvastore
11-12-2005, 02:15 AM
I'll ask you the same I asked PA> What the hell, do you consider a great pres?
Herbert Hoover, Jimmy Carter, Warren Harding, James Buchanan, and of course L.B.J!!!!
Either them or
Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson, and the Two Roosevelt's.
DrugSalvastore
11-12-2005, 03:34 AM
46, if you don't know by now, you never will. Accomplished zip? Tell that to Saddam who's sitting in a cell. Tell that to the Iraquis who are getting ready to vote again in Dec. And tell that to our brave troops.
Just tell him to go drink some Pinko Dismal.....
http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/parodies/pinko-dismal.jpg
Seriously though, I do side with Mr.46 on the war in Iraq. I'm not a big fan of it to say the least. Dang do my teeth hurt!
DJofSD
11-12-2005, 10:52 AM
the brave dead ones can't hear a thing now can they?
And the live cowards don't care.
We're all going to die. What's your legacy?
DJofSD
46zilzal
11-12-2005, 11:39 AM
We come onto the planet: we live and we die...Whether anyone remembers is moot.
I will never understand the idea of peace being equated constantly with cowardice
Lefty
11-12-2005, 11:51 AM
46, and the awful thing is, you don't realize how many lives were saved and will continue to be saved by these brave people. You denigrate their memory.
And when you say live cowards, I assume you're talking about yourself.
drugsal, those bottom picks, like Wash etc. You do realize they were highly criticized and were not appreciated in their own time?
DJofSD
11-12-2005, 12:13 PM
How does that saying go: first, they came for the Jews but no one stopped them .... then they came for me and there was no one to stop them.
DJofSD
46zilzal
11-12-2005, 12:22 PM
lives saved by blowing up a third world country and CREATING more terrorists and followers that there were years ago??
Lefty
11-12-2005, 12:33 PM
46, yours is a specious argument and for someone neutral you're leaning far left.
46zilzal
11-12-2005, 01:34 PM
(AP) BOULDER, Colo. Old soldiers no longer fade away. One got called back to active duty at the age of 71.
Dr. Everett Spees, a cardiothoracic surgeon at several local hospitals who helped to develop the field of organ transplants, was a bit startled to find the Army calling, asking if he'd volunteer.
A retired colonel, he'd offered his services on the day after Sept. 11, 2001, but no one called back for more than two years -- after the military was thoroughly embroiled in Iraq and needing more soldiers.
"I said, 'You know, I'm 71 years old?"'
schweitz
11-12-2005, 01:39 PM
(AP) BOULDER, Colo. Old soldiers no longer fade away. One got called back to active duty at the age of 71.
Dr. Everett Spees, a cardiothoracic surgeon at several local hospitals who helped to develop the field of organ transplants, was a bit startled to find the Army calling, asking if he'd volunteer.
A retired colonel, he'd offered his services on the day after Sept. 11, 2001, but no one called back for more than two years -- after the military was thoroughly embroiled in Iraq and needing more soldiers.
"I said, 'You know, I'm 71 years old?"'
It's ok--you don't have to worry------no one is going to be calling for you to volunteer.
PaceAdvantage
11-12-2005, 02:08 PM
(AP) BOULDER, Colo. Old soldiers no longer fade away. One got called back to active duty at the age of 71.
Dr. Everett Spees, a cardiothoracic surgeon at several local hospitals who helped to develop the field of organ transplants, was a bit startled to find the Army calling, asking if he'd volunteer.
A retired colonel, he'd offered his services on the day after Sept. 11, 2001, but no one called back for more than two years -- after the military was thoroughly embroiled in Iraq and needing more soldiers.
"I said, 'You know, I'm 71 years old?"'
The real key to this whole post is what was the Army's reply when the doc told them his age? Other than that, it's just another one of those computer mixup stories....you know, the kind you read about where the DOG gets an offer for a credit card.....lol
Then again, I guess it might be a good "stir the pot" post if someone bites.
He's nowhere near a great President....you can't be that biased.....
He's certainly not as bad as he's been portrayed, but he is definitely not a great President to date....
Not to sound like Clinton, but it's all how you define "great."
Bush just refered to China as a great nation! Holy Brain farts, Batman! Great nations do not prohibit religion, they do not limit the number of children you can have, the do not sponser slave labor, they do not break trade laws, they do not encourage stelaing copy-protection and knock off products, They do not attack their students with the army and tanks.
But if this is what Bush thinks is what great menans, then yes, he is a great president!
:ThmbDown:
Steve 'StatMan'
11-13-2005, 11:58 AM
Not to sound like Clinton, but it's all how you define "great."
Bush just refered to China as a great nation! Holy Brain farts, Batman! Great nations do not prohibit religion, they do not limit the number of children you can have, the do not sponser slave labor, they do not break trade laws, they do not encourage stelaing copy-protection and knock off products, They do not attack their students with the army and tanks.
But if this is what Bush thinks is what great menans, then yes, he is a great president!
:ThmbDown:
Maybe he doesn't meat great as in fantastic. Maybe he means great as in we can't kick their ass within a week without the nukes flying.
Steve 'StatMan'
11-13-2005, 12:31 PM
LOL! Yeah, he's buttering them up to do business with them, just like the last string of Pres. has done.
[old mafioso voice] You're father did business with Hyman Roth, but he never trusted him. [/old mafioso voice]
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