New Book exposes top liberals

[Lefty]

http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nms/showdetl.cfm?&DID=6&Product_ID=1998&PROMO_CODE=1691-1

[DJofSD]

Gee, did they forget about Madonna?

DJofSD

[Secretariat]

http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nms/showdetl.cfm?&DID=6&Product_ID=1998&PROMO_CODE=1691-1

lol..it's such a big seller Lefty, i see they have to give it away free. No one is "buying it".

[DJofSD]

Giving it away -- must be a public service.

DJofSD

[lsbets]

I heard an interview with the author. One of the best things in the book is a review of Michael Moore's stock portfolio. He has made a lot of money in the stock market on defense contractors and Halliburton.

[so.cal.fan]

I saw that interview, lsbets.
REAL liberals who are honorable.....don't own stock in companies they don't think are for the benefit of humanity......I have a friend who would starve before she would own Halliburtin stock.
Michael Moore is a fraud, as are the others he exposes.
If Michael Moore ever ran for public office or better yet, was nominated to a judgeship.....he would be destroyed in the press and on the internet, you would have to take off a day a week from work, lsbets, just to "blog"... :D

[lsbets]

The sad thing is socal, there are so many people caught in hero worship of MM because Moore hates Bush. Just like the hero worship of Chavez and to a lesser degree Castro. Unfortunately the left in this country has gone so far astray they have no foundation upon which to stand. I know many self avowed liberals like you who are sick over the people who lead the "liberal" movement these days. And we've seen on here what happens when people like you speak out about what they see - you are met with disdain and derision by "liberals" because you think and don't act out of Bushhate.

[Lefty]

Kennedy - are all, no doubt, seeing red that Peter Schweizer's new book "Do As I Say (Not As I Do)" has just hit the #2 spot on Amazon. Let's make it #1 on Amazon and drive them really crazy - go to Amazon asap

It'll be a bestseller, sec. Newsmax runs these promotions on bestsellers alla time. Why don't you get it and see the hyprocrisy? Franken has threatened to sue. Hope he does.

[Tom]

Have to laugh at theses so-called idealists out there, condeming the SUV's while they sip bottles spring water, post theire whines on the internet, while leving their systems on 24-7. Never considered how much energy was consumed nilding the plastic bottles, running the fill machines, trucking the water all over the country, puters burning electrictty all night long.

None of that matters, just the symbols of the rich. If Kerry got elected (ha!) would he have traded in the Subrurbans for a couple of Volvos??? :lol:

[boxcar]

I would love to see the socialist George Soros' stock portfolio. Gotta think that would elicit more than a few laughs.

Boxcar

[Lefty]

box, saw and interview with the author and he talks about Soros and Kennedy as wanting taxes and more taxes on everyone but their money is protected in tax free havens in other countries.

[Tom]

lsbets posted, most accurately"

"Unfortunately the left in this country has gone so far astray they have no foundation upon which to stand."

How true. The democrate once ran a great party, devoted, not always correctly but sincerly, to the average Joe and his problems. Today, it has been hijacked by people who stand for nothing and area only opposed to things. The loudest libs on this board are only quick to bash Bush or blame him for the boogie man, yet they themselves stand for nothing - they have no plan, only to get rid of Bush. ABB spoke loudly the ignorace behind it.
Personall, I think Bush is an idiot, a liar, and the enemy of the middle class. The only differnce between him and a drunken sailor on shore leave when it comes to spending is that the sailor eventually sobers up and stops spending. But all the libs can do is bash him for the things he did right - albiet by mistake - but right nonetheless.

[Lefty]

sec, the book has made no.1 at Amazon and now has made the N.Y. Times bestseller list.

[Lefty]

Another laugh. Just heard that Jimmy Carter did booksingings at Walmart. More hypocrisy. My these socialists love capitalism when they're selling books...

[kenwoodallpromos]

"The only differnce between him and a drunken sailor on shore leave when it comes to spending is that the sailor eventually sobers up and stops spending."
Since I WAS a drunken sailor on shore leave, I know a drunken sailor pays as he goes!LOL!!

[Lefty]

Tom, Ken, you are both shortsighted. He's had a lot to deal with and guess what, they cost money. But even as you demean what you don't understand there are big budget cuts in the next budget. BTW, what sacrifices have either of you been required to make? Also, while he spent more, his tax cuts brght more into the coffers.

[Tom]

He signed the Trans-pork-tation bill alotting a qurter of a billion dollars for a bridge to nowhere. Any ididot that does that is the enemy of the middle class. A leader would have stood up and rejected it outright. Bush is a political fool. He and the republican controlled congress must be stopped at all costs. I will vote a straight democrat ticket next time out - just to take power away form the totally disgusting and thieving assholes that have abused our trust in them.
This government is out off control - far more abusive to its citizens tha the Brittish were when wer threw thier butts out.

There is no excuse the for the fical irresponsiblity of Bush. If he can't handle tough times, there is another old Texas saying that he should remember - Hit the Road!

[Lefty]

Tom says "I will vote a straight democratic ticket next time" Sorry Tom if I didn't get the exact quote.
But, you have a while to change your mind. If you think things out of control now, if Dems get it, you ain't seen outta control!

[DJofSD]

The Dems had it while Clinton was in office. What happened? Not much of anything. They just fought amongst themselves.

[Tom]

Tom says "I will vote a straight democratic ticket next time" Sorry Tom if I didn't get the exact quote.
But, you have a while to change your mind. If you think things out of control now, if Dems get it, you ain't seen outta control!

I'm voting for gridlock. NEITHER party can be trusted to contol both houses.
The best congress is one who does nothing. The only certainty in government is that they will vote themselves pay raises.

[Lefty]

Gridlock or not, ya get Hillary or Kerry or any Dem brace for tax raises and more probs than solutions. I'm hoping for a Repub Super Majority and then things will really get done like using our own resources and SS reform. And i'm not talking about wimpy moderate Repubs either.

[DJofSD]

And i'm not talking about wimpy moderate Repubs either.

There ain't no such thing. They're all a bunch of panty-waists.

Tho only politician that has brass ones is Zell Miller and he's a democrat.

Name me one republican politican that's worth his weight in dogged determination.

[Lefty]

and Zel constantly praises Bush. Take his lead. Bush has taken on very unpopular issues. He refuses to leave Iraq until the Iraquis can handle it themselves. Meanwhile the Dems have constantly lied and whined. Bush stays his course. That's determination, and Zel knows it.

[Lefty]

FastFred Pro uses Tsn files and uses feet per second. Don't remember if it shows final fraction, but if not you can run tsn pp generator at no additional costs for that. Prob other prgms have what you want too, you might take a day or two to investigate. Meanwhile I think you were too harsh on Computrak but if that's your opinion, so be it.

[Lefty]

Also, ADPA Focus uses tsn files and uses feet per second.

[PaceAdvantage]

Ooops!

[DJofSD]

Bush stays his course. That's determination

Ya. He stay's HIS course alright. Unfortunately, it's not the course the rest of the country would take.

He's just another two-faced politician that makes insurance and used car salesmen look good.

He wants to secure the future of Iraq. Better us than any other country.

But when it comes to securing the borders of this country, where is he? He's run out of time on this issue. He and the rest of the inside the beltway gas bags are out of touch. It will take a toll.

Do you remember that old movie cliche how the bad guys would commit the crime then high-tail it across the border into Mexico? Well, it's real life. The gangs caught on to it years ago. The felonous criminals kill people then laugh at the U. S. authorities. And the dirty little secret is that the so called main stream press are not telling you about it.

Do you know who's performing all the day labor rebuilding NO and the rest of LA and MI? It ain't U. S. citizens, baby.

[PaceAdvantage]

Unfortunately, it's not the course the rest of the country would take.

Then why did they reelect him a scant 12 months ago? They knew what they were getting when they entered the voting booth.

Me thinks you have been paying too much attention to recent media polls, which don't mean squat, as we have seen in the past.

[DJofSD]

Why was he elected? Lesser of two evils, IMO.

I don't give dittly-squat about polls -- the only poll that counts is when I caste my vote. The rest of it is just pissin' into the wind.

As a democrat once said, all politics is local. And besides the melt-down of San Diego's financial future the other burning issue is the border. It's real, it's local and if the sheeple here really understood what is going on there would be riots.

[Lefty]

a few years ago the people of CA had some sort of proposition. It was something about denying ILLEGAL immigrants hospital care and schooling; don't remember exactly. The people voted for it but a liberal court struck it down. Racist was the cry with liberal Dems leading the chant. So puhleese, give me a brk with your sudden whining about the borders. Clinton didn't do anything about em and didn't have near the probs this admin has to cope with.

[DJofSD]

So puhleese, give me a brk with your sudden whining about the borders. Clinton didn't do anything about em and didn't have near the probs this admin has to cope with.

Ignorance is bliss.

[Lefty]

So be blissfull Dj, be blissful.

[Lefty]

PA, oops is right, looks like I got a couple posts in here that belong in software. Sorry.

[DJofSD]

Lefty,

You know nothing about me, the local situation in San Diego or how long people have been trying to get Federal help to stem the tide.

You think because either this is a new issue to you or this is the first you've read about it on this board that it is a new issue for me. It's not.

Implying an over turned proposition meant there really wasn't a problem is a specious argument.

Do some research. Find out how many emergency rooms have closed throughout California in the last ten years.

Find out how many law enforcement personel have been killed by the 'undocumented worker'.

Look at the incidents of infectous diseases.

Read about the amount of social security taxes collected by the federal government that is not payable because the reporting SSN is not a real one.

[JustRalph]

Lefty,

You know nothing about me, the local situation in San Diego or how long people have been trying to get Federal help to stem the tide.

You think because either this is a new issue to you or this is the first you've read about it on this board that it is a new issue for me. It's not.

Implying an over turned proposition meant there really wasn't a problem is a specious argument.

Do some research. Find out how many emergency rooms have closed throughout California in the last ten years.

Find out how many law enforcement personel have been killed by the 'undocumented worker'.

Look at the incidents of infectous diseases.

Read about the amount of social security taxes collected by the federal government that is not payable because the reporting SSN is not a real one.

Now that is funny.......hearing you whine (or reading you whine) about illegals in Ca is a joke. You guys get all you deserve. The damn state is practically overrun and yet you vote the same old Dem/Libs into office year after year. You take advice from celebrities who don't know their ass from shinola and have the balls to complain. Let somebody bring up shutting down the border and California screams. You rely on cheap labor i.e. mexican labor, and you sit back and allow the legislature to pass laws that make it practically impossible for small businesses to survive. Hell, there are hundreds of large companies that refuse to do business in Ca because of the labor laws etc. Sure, why not. The gardner makes 5 bucks and hour and contruction workers are a dime a dozen. Your housing crisis will be the doom to your economy soon. The free market doesn't work in Ca. Too many controls and too much cheap illegal labor throws out any natural balance.

You have the balls to complain about dead cops.......yet the state legislature wants to hand out drivers licenses to illegals. You do everything possible to legitimize the riff raff and then complain............you get what you deserve! You are reaping what you have sewn!

[Lefty]

dj, damn right illegals are a problem. But it's a complex problem and it sure as hell didn't start with Bush. I live in Vegas so I imagine we have some illegals here. Bush proposed a start to the solution and everyone had nothing but criticism. Dems are only interested in their own rise to power and while this Pres has went overboard to work with them they have done nothing but lie and criticize. And CA did overturn the peoples will on that prop matter and the word racist was in the air and you know it. But my main thrust is that it didn't start with Bush and it won't end with Bush.

[Tom]

Ole Bush is on his way to China - to I don't know what....step 'n fetchit for the most evil government in the world? Just another stupid, deadly diesction this moron is taking. How can one guy be worng on so many issues at the same time?

[Lefty]

This thread was supposed to be about liberal hypocrisy and it's turned into another Bush Bashing. Enough already...

[Tom]

Bush is closer to being a liberal than a conservative!

[Lefty]

Tom, we just disagree. Liberals don't cut taxes. Liberals aren't Pro-life.

[DrugSalvastore]

Tom, we just disagree. Liberals don't cut taxes. Liberals aren't Pro-life.

He cuts taxes and he's big government! That's NOT GOOD! I have no problem with tax cuts--even if the rich are the one's making out best--just, if you cut taxes, try like hell to control spending. Bush has no restraint with spending!

They should make the cheapest son-of-a-bitch alive president. Don't forget, when the politicans overspend---they are using the people's money.

Lefty, as for abortion---that issue is a mess to me. I don't think anyone wants that to happen at all, and ever!---but it's really not wise for the government to put a stop to it and make it illegal. I have a feeling you're not a rap music type person, but the legendary late rapper Tupac had some lyrics on the subject that does make one think regarding that subject, and life in a ghetto.

"Now Brendas belly is gettin bigger
But no one seems ta notice any change in her figure
She's 12 years old and she's having a baby
In love with tha molester, whos sexin her crazy
And yet she thinks that he'll be with her forever
And dreams of a world with tha two of them are together,
whatever
He left her and she had tha baby solo, she had it on tha
bathroom floor
And didn't know so, she didn't know, what ta throw away and
what ta keep
She wrapped tha baby up and threw him in tha trash heep
I guess she thought she'd get away
Wouldn't hear tha cries
She didn't realize
How much tha little baby had her eyes
Now tha babys in tha trash heep balling
Momma can't help her, but it hurts ta hear her calling
Brenda wants ta run away
Momma say, you makin' me lose pay, tha social workers here
everyday
Now Brenda's gotta make her own way
Can't go to her family, they won't let her stay
No money no babysitter, she couldn't keep a job
She tried ta sell crack, but end up getting robbed
So now what's next, there ain't nothin left ta sell
So she sees sex as a way of leavin hell
It's payin tha rent, so she really can't complain
Prostitute, found slain, and Brenda's her name"

[Lefty]

Drugsal, I agree, he does need more restraints on spending, but when you're trying to deal with entitlements the left don't want to cut, makes it hard; and especially when we then had 9-11, the war against terrorism and all the natural disasters. But there are spending cuts in the new budget, you can bet your butt the left will fight him all the way. Tax cuts kept this econom going after 9-11. A masterful feat. Here's a tip, the rich will always make out best, no matter what the situation.

Me, rap? Rap is Crap far as i'm concerned. Abortion has always been a states rights issue until a left-tilting Supreme Court took it away. The law is bad law, and they made new law here, not an interpretation of the Constitution.
I'll always be against abortion.

[DrugSalvastore]

Drugsal, I agree, he does need more restraints on spending, but when you're trying to deal with entitlements the left don't want to cut, makes it hard; and especially when we then had 9-11, the war against terrorism and all the natural disasters. But there are spending cuts in the new budget, you can bet your butt the left will fight him all the way. Tax cuts kept this econom going after 9-11. A masterful feat. Here's a tip, the rich will always make out best, no matter what the situation.

Me, rap? Rap is Crap far as i'm concerned. Abortion has always been a states rights issue until a left-tilting Supreme Court took it away. The law is bad law, and they made new law here, not an interpretation of the Constitution.
I'll always be against abortion.

No doubt Lefty.

But, I don't think you've given rap a fair chance yet! It's a great form of music---I really think you'd dig it if you gave it a chance!

Hook yourself up with some real baggy pants and gold chains (bling bling)---and tell everyone you come in contact with "I'm straight Thug'in Biotch!"

Do it now!! You'll thank me later! Have I ever lead you wrong before??

[Lefty]

drugsal, LOL. But too late for this ol' Dean Martin fan to pick up what they're layin' down.

[Lefty]

In the spirit of the thread, Liberal Hypocrisy, take a gander at this:



http://view.e.newsmax.com/?ffcb10-fe9716767367077f77-fe44167075660478741471-ff2c1d70746d

[Tom]

Conservatives don't sign off on the largest entitlement programs in recent history. Conservative don't build nations. Conservatives don't enlarge government.

[so.cal.fan]

Tom's right, President Bush is a.........democrat? :eek: :eek:

[Tom]

I'm thinking too many are crossovers today - dems and repubs crossing the line mkaes it confusing to know who is what.

I'm going back to my old labes for everone.......SCOUNDRELS! :rolleyes:

[Lefty]

Because of a thing called baseline budgeting the govt naturally gets larger every yr. So cal, look at the way thiose dems going on about the war like they never said all this stuff first in 98 and 99. Plse don't compare the only Pres to have the guts to take out Saddam to the lying Dems.
Watch Hannity tonight as he will play clip after clip after clip of every top level Dem in 98 going on about Wmd's how Saddam needed to be taken out.

[so.cal.fan]

We have a city council here in my town that BETRAYED all the people who voted for them. They said they were FOR one thing....then went exactly the opposite.
Scoundrels is a good description of our local politicians, Tom.
They just tried to pull of a ballot Measure that would have raised our city
taxes $240 per family per year....with no caps....no guarantee the money would be used for any good cause!
We voted it down. Our town probably has more Democrats than Republicans, but the CONSERVATIVES came to the polls in force.......NO NEW TAXES!!!!!!
The Gov. ballot props that were soundly defeated in Calif. actually had TWO of them PASS (YES) in Sierra Madre! We had the highest voter turnout in years due to the city tax measure on our ballot!

[ljb]

Tom's right, President Bush is a.........democrat? :eek: :eek:
SoCalfan,
Actually President Bush is a NeoCon. Hate saying I told you so but, prior to the last Republican convention I was on this board urging all to take back their party from the neocons who had gained control. President Bush, like all politicians has one goal, to get re-elected. In the President's case it would be translated to get his followers re-elected as his term is done in a few years.
Democrats are concerned about ALL Americans, not just the top 1 percent as measured by net worth.

[lsbets]

Democrats are concerned about ALL Americans, not just the top 1 percent as measured by net worth.

Ha! That's the funniest thing you've ever posted. They are concerned about one thing - power, or their lack thereof.

[ljb]

Ha! That's the funniest thing you've ever posted. They are concerned about one thing - power, or their lack thereof.
Ok ls,
what ever you say. And I suppose the republicans/neocons are different.

[Lefty]

lbj, you are hysterical. Dems raise taxes on everybody, won't let us drill oil,on our own land, won't let us build more refineries, so we are beholden to the middle east. They Will sit idly by and let SS go broke so they can get reelected in the short term. Kennedy has only pd a couple hundred thou taxes on 500 million cause he keeps his money in trusts offshore, but wants you and me taxed more. You have been sold one helluva bill of goods.

[lsbets]

Ok ls,
what ever you say. And I suppose the republicans/neocons are different.

Now where did I say anything like that? I've said many time that politicians of all stripes only care about power. I've said the only reason I have tended (and not always) to vote Republican is I can stomach them more than the Democrats. I've never said they look out for anything other than themselves. I didn't think you were so naive as to believe that the Democrats felt otherwise.

[Lefty]

Here's the thing: Repubs blve in and practice Capitalism. Capitalism benefits us all. Edison was one of best capitalists ever; a shrewd businessman. Yet his inventions have benefitted society enormously.
Dems, want to keep the pipple under their thumb via socialism while practicing capitalism themselves. They hide their money pay little taxes while they cry for tax raises. They have their retirement money invested but when Bush wants everyone to have that plan, the Dems cry scheme. So gimme a brk with the crap that Dems wanta help poor people. It's an illusion.

[ljb]

Now where did I say anything like that? I've said many time that politicians of all stripes only care about power. I've said the only reason I have tended (and not always) to vote Republican is I can stomach them more than the Democrats. I've never said they look out for anything other than themselves. I didn't think you were so naive as to believe that the Democrats felt otherwise.
lsbets, if you will look at the original post that you responded to me, you will see that I said "All politicians have one goal to get re-elected". Therefore your original reply to me was/is moot. in response to your reply I said. Democrats care about All Americans not just the top 1 percent based on net worth. I stand by that statement. Regardless to their desire for power.

[ljb]

lbj, you are hysterical. Dems raise taxes on everybody, won't let us drill oil,on our own land, won't let us build more refineries, so we are beholden to the middle east. They Will sit idly by and let SS go broke so they can get reelected in the short term. Kennedy has only pd a couple hundred thou taxes on 500 million cause he keeps his money in trusts offshore, but wants you and me taxed more. You have been sold one helluva bill of goods.
Lefty,
Dems implemented social security, providing a safety net for millions of senior citizens. Neocons passed a medicare prescription bill providing millions for drug companies and insurance companies at expense of the taxpayers. SS would be in fine shape if the politicians did not rob it and we eliminated the cap. Why should middle and low income folks have to pay a higher percentage of their income to ss taxes then the wealthiest few ? Dems passed the civil rights bill giving many disenfranchised the right to vote. Neocons passed the Patriot act tightening the government control of individual rights. Dems passed the minimum wage laws. Neocons passed bankruptcy laws giving corporations the right to declare bankruptcy and eliminate their contractural obligations yet individuals when filing bankruptcy are still obligated to their contractual agreements. Neocons passed an energy bill giving billions in tax breaks to gouging oil companies while we pay outlandish prices for gas at the pump. Now tell me Lefty who do the neocons support. That lousy $300 tax rebate don't go that far Lefty, think about it.

[ljb]

And also, here is a link to another graft implemented by Abramoff and the neocons. Wait until they decide to eliminate the competition from the race tracks. :D :D
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051117/ap_on_go_co/tribes_letters___dollars;_ylt=Ak73pfEwZfjocby.ln1H MUys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

[lsbets]

lsbets, if you will look at the original post that you responded to me, you will see that I said "All politicians have one goal to get re-elected". Therefore your original reply to me was/is moot. in response to your reply I said. Democrats care about All Americans not just the top 1 percent based on net worth. I stand by that statement. Regardless to their desire for power.

So what is it? Do they have one goal - get reelected, or do they care about all Americans? Because the two do not go hand in hand, and are quite often contradictory. Make up your mind.

Dems passed the civil rights bills? I think you need to reread your history books. Two Democratic Presidents along with some Democratic Congressmen passed the civil rights bills because of Republican support. Correct me if I am wrong, but on the key civil rights legislation (which would be the 64 era bills) a majority of Democrats voted against them.

If you attach yourself to a party, you are attaching yourself to nothing but group think. Attach youself to ideas, regardless of which party supports them at the moment.

[Bobby]

Lefty,
Dems implemented social security, providing a safety net for millions of senior citizens. Neocons passed a medicare prescription bill providing millions for drug companies and insurance companies at expense of the taxpayers. SS would be in fine shape if the politicians did not rob it and we eliminated the cap. Why should middle and low income folks have to pay a higher percentage of their income to ss taxes then the wealthiest few ? Dems passed the civil rights bill giving many disenfranchised the right to vote. Neocons passed the Patriot act tightening the government control of individual rights. Dems passed the minimum wage laws. Neocons passed bankruptcy laws giving corporations the right to declare bankruptcy and eliminate their contractural obligations yet individuals when filing bankruptcy are still obligated to their contractual agreements. Neocons passed an energy bill giving billions in tax breaks to gouging oil companies while we pay outlandish prices for gas at the pump. Now tell me Lefty who do the neocons support. That lousy $300 tax rebate don't go that far Lefty, think about it.

EXCELLENT POST. I wish others could see the big picture too.

[ljb]

So what is it? Do they have one goal - get reelected, or do they care about all Americans? Because the two do not go hand in hand, and are quite often contradictory. Make up your mind.

Dems passed the civil rights bills? I think you need to reread your history books. Two Democratic Presidents along with some Democratic Congressmen passed the civil rights bills because of Republican support. Correct me if I am wrong, but on the key civil rights legislation (which would be the 64 era bills) a majority of Democrats voted against them.

If you attach yourself to a party, you are attaching yourself to nothing but group think. Attach youself to ideas, regardless of which party supports them at the moment.
ls, first they ALL have the goal to get re-elected. Now my statement is "the dems tend to support policies and laws that are better for the common folk then the repubs. The civil rights bills passed in the 1964 era were not supported by a majority of Democrats because they were actually "dixiecrats". You see ls, Lincoln (a republican) freed the slaves. The south voted democrat from then on until Johnson (a democrat) implemented the civil rights legislation. The south soon after switched to republican support.
There are some things the dems support that i do not support and there are some things the repubs support that i support, however when you look at the big picture you will find that the dems are more supportive of the lower and/or middle class folks then the repubs. So until we come up with a third party that has some chance of overthrowing these crooks I will continue to support those that support me and my family's goals.

[JustRalph]

Lefty,
Dems passed the civil rights bill giving many disenfranchised the right to vote.

you are kidding right? The Dems clocked that act with a filibuster.

Oh yeah........in the paragraph below, you will notice that the filibuster was lead by the ex Klan member, also known today as "the most distinguished member of the Democratic party" according to the Democractic National Committee. Hubert Humphrey, a Dem, went against the grain of his party to get the act passed. He was joined by the majority of Repubs. He used it as a springboard to run for President. BTW, the Civil Rights act was stopped on three prior occasions, one of them a filibsuter lead by Albert Gore Sr. LJB, don't try and pass this stuff off.........a lie is a lie.

See the info below:

1964-Present

June 10, 1964
Civil Rights Filibuster Ended
At 9:51 on the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert C. Byrd completed an address that he had begun fourteen hours and thirteen minutes earlier. The subject was the pending Civil Rights Act of 1964, a measure that occupied the Senate for fifty-seven working days, including six Saturdays. A day earlier, Democratic Whip Hubert Humphrey, the bill's manager, concluded he had the sixty-seven votes required at that time to end the debate.

The Civil Rights Act provided protection of voting rights; banned discrimination in public facilities—including private businesses offering public services—such as lunch counters, hotels, and theaters; and established equal employment opportunity as the law of the land.

As Senator Byrd took his seat, House members, former senators, and others—150 of them—vied for limited standing space at the back of the chamber. With all gallery seats taken, hundreds waited outside in hopelessly extended lines.

Georgia Democrat Richard Russell offered the final arguments in opposition. Minority Leader Everett Dirksen, who had enlisted the Republican votes that made cloture a realistic option, spoke for the proponents with his customary eloquence. Noting that the day marked the one-hundredth anniversary of Abraham Lincoln's nomination to a second term, the Illinois Republican proclaimed, in the words of Victor Hugo, "Stronger than all the armies is an idea whose time has come." He continued, "The time has come for equality of opportunity in sharing in government, in education, and in employment. It will not be stayed or denied. It is here!"

Never in history had the Senate been able to muster enough votes to cut off a filibuster on a civil rights bill. And only once in the thirty-seven years since 1927 had it agreed to cloture for any measure.

The clerk proceeded to call the roll. When he reached "Mr. Engle," there was no response. A brain tumor had robbed California's mortally ill Clair Engle of his ability to speak. Slowly lifting a crippled arm, he pointed to his eye, thereby signaling his affirmative vote. Few of those who witnessed this heroic gesture ever forgot it. When Delaware's John Williams provided the decisive sixty-seventh vote, Majority Leader Mike Mansfield exclaimed, "That's it!"; Richard Russell slumped; and Hubert Humphrey beamed. With six wavering senators providing a four-vote victory margin, the final tally stood at 71 to 29. Nine days later the Senate approved the act itself—producing one of the twentieth century's towering legislative achievements.

[ljb]

Again we are talking about the "dixiecrats". Georgia Democrat Richard Russel (dixiecrat) Tennesse Democrtat Al Gore (dixiecrat) Glad to see the liberal Hubert Humphrey "beamed" when the bill he had managed passed.
You are spinning here just. O'liellly would not approve. :D

[Lefty]

lbj, dems passed SS to keep themselves in power. Pity is, if they'd done it correctly by privatizing it, it woulda been truly a wonderful thing and the Govt could never have gotten their hands on it the way they have, and it all started with LBJ.
Energy, if the Dems had let us drill here at home 25 yrs ago and build refineries there would be no gas crunch.
I hate to spoil your bask in ignorance, but minimum wage is not a good thing.
So bask away and vote for the party that truly wants to keep the poor poor.

[Lefty]

Also, the numbers have drastically changed since SS started. Back then there were 50 workers for every 1 retired. It's dn to 8 or less and diminishing every yr. SS will go bankrup and your dem friends don't care cause they have private accts. Why don't you find it outrageous that they have private accts, send their kids to private schools but don't want us to do likewise?

[lsbets]

ljb - you said the Dems passed the civil rights bills. You were wring, no big deal, everyone is wrong once in a while, but stop spinning.

[Tom]

Here's the thing: Repubs blve in and practice Capitalism. Capitalism benefits us all. Edison was one of best capitalists ever; a shrewd businessman. Yet his inventions have benefitted society enormously.
Dems, want to keep the pipple under their thumb via socialism while practicing capitalism themselves. They hide their money pay little taxes while they cry for tax raises. They have their retirement money invested but when Bush wants everyone to have that plan, the Dems cry scheme. So gimme a brk with the crap that Dems wanta help poor people. It's an illusion.

Then how can Bush support China as a prefered trade partner? How can he support allowing illegal aliens to come here and steal jobs? How can he keep ignoring fair bidding on jobs in favor of political rewards? How can he keep favoring big business over individuials at every turn?
Capitalism? Croonyism if you ask me.

[ljb]

ljb - you said the Dems passed the civil rights bills. You were wring, no big deal, everyone is wrong once in a while, but stop spinning.
ls,
Who was President when civil rights bill was passed and what party was he in ?
You are the one who is spinning here.

[lsbets]

ljb - I said the President was a Democrat and passed it with the help of Republicans. You then went on to say "they were dixiecrats, they were dixiecrats". Doesn't change the fact that they were Democrats, however you want to spin it - a majority of Democrats voted against the most important civil right and voting rights legislation. As a matter of fact, if I wanted to make some of the ridiculous claims that you do but from the other side, I could point out that the Democratic Party has been the one in favor of slavery, opposed to women voting, and opposed to civil rights, all while sheltering and supporting terrorists who murdered people who attempted to register blacks to vote. There is nothing inaccurate in what I said, but its a ridiculous characterization of the Democratic Party, however, that is what you do everytime you talk about Republicans. Get away from party, embrace ideas.

[mainardi]

Just a few things I found on the Internet... and people wonder why people talking politics are so passionate. :p

In the early 1900's: "There was great social unrest and the idea of a tax to 'soak the rich' began to take root among liberals in both major parties. Several times the Democrats introduced bills to provide a tax on higher incomes but each time the conservative branch of the Republican party killed it in the Senate."

From the IRS web site: "1942 - The Revenue Act of 1942, hailed by President Roosevelt as 'the greatest tax bill in American history,' passed Congress. It increased taxes and the number of Americans subject to the income tax..."

More on the Revenue Act of 1942: "[it] thrust new tax burdens on so many Americans. The bill is best known for its broad extension of the individual income tax, previously applied only to wealthy Americans. The 1942 law extended its reach well into the middle class, bringing millions of new taxpayers into the income tax system. Treasury officials and congressional taxwriters hoped that a broader income tax would raise substantial new revenue while also reducing available purchasing power."

And this: "The collection process was greatly facilitated in 1943 by a device created by FDR to pay the costs of WWII. It was called 'withholding from wages and salaries'. In other words, the tax was collected at the payroll window before it was even due to be paid by the taxpayer. Economists point out that this device, more than any other single factor, shifted the tax from its original design as a tax on the wealthy to a tax on the masses -- mostly the middle class."

From a former IRS Comissioner (from the 1950's): "The income tax is bad because it was conceived in class hatred, is an instrument of vengeance and plays right into the hands of the communists. It employs the vicious communist principle of taking from each according to his accumulation of the fruits of his labor and giving to others according to their needs, regardless of whether those needs are the result of indolence or lack of pride, self-respect, personal dignity or other attributes of men." AND "The income tax is bad because it is oppressive to all and discriminates particularly against those people who prove themselves most adept at keeping the wheels of business turning and creating maximum employment and a high standard of living for their fellow men."

Now, my own commentary.

Since this is a thread focused on liberals (mostly Democrats, I can only assume), keep in mind that liberals: [1] wanted to "soak the rich" as far back as 100 years ago, [2] had a sitting Democratic President hail a tax act that instead took money from average Americans, and [3] had an IRS Commisioner denounce income taxes as being conceived "in hatred" and for essentially giving money to those who don't deserve it.

So, Democrats claim to be "for the people", but it seems like if they were, they'd worry less about their political careers and more about truly reducing taxes. Oh wait, if you take money from rich people and give it to a large group of people that don't deserve it, they'll continue to vote for you. ;)

BTW... taxes ALWAYS go up during a war, but it sure seems like the Dems do some pretty rotten things when given the chance... like voting for the Iraqi war (and the funding) when it's popular and denouncing it when things get tough; nice move, Coward Clinton, -- a former President -- disgracing your country by denouncing the war while in the Middle East. You can just stay there, as far as I'm concerned. :mad:

[ljb]

ljb - I said the President was a Democrat and passed it with the help of Republicans. You then went on to say "they were dixiecrats, they were dixiecrats". Doesn't change the fact that they were Democrats, however you want to spin it - a majority of Democrats voted against the most important civil right and voting rights legislation. As a matter of fact, if I wanted to make some of the ridiculous claims that you do but from the other side, I could point out that the Democratic Party has been the one in favor of slavery, opposed to women voting, and opposed to civil rights, all while sheltering and supporting terrorists who murdered people who attempted to register blacks to vote. There is nothing inaccurate in what I said, but its a ridiculous characterization of the Democratic Party, however, that is what you do everytime you talk about Republicans. Get away from party, embrace ideas.
ls, ok call them conservatives and liberals if that makes you feel better. Doesn't change the facts one bit. Libs(Dems today) passed the civil rights bill. Cons(Reps today) opposed the bill.
Prior to the last Presidential election I posted on here a statement that the Republicans were going to be split and/or factious after the election. Now we have ls, one of Republican Bush's most vociferous supporters, trying to disengage himself from the Republican party. Need I say more ?

[twindouble]

Personally I think it's about time we come up with an entirely new definitions for the political spectrum.

I'll start with the center. Straddler;

Definition; Lacking any ability of forethought or being able to make decisions on his or her own, willing to go along to maintain status quo, lacking moral and ethical conviction. Further defined as having French syndrome.


Anyone else?

T.D.

[ljb]

Ok,
How about Bullhead
One who knows he has done something wrong but refuses to admit it or change course inspite of the growing number of dead and wounded.

[twindouble]

Ok,
How about Bullhead
One who knows he has done something wrong but refuses to admit it or change course inspite of the growing number of dead and wounded.

How about Pin heads; Those that will take any position that defies logic and common sense. Further defined as crack pots, off the political spectrum.

[Tom]

Spinners.

[Lefty]

lbj, the civil rights bill was passed with the help of 80% of repubs and only 60% of dems, but dems were in the majority at the time. Al Gore's daddy voted against it. Bird is a former kkk member.

[ljb]

Lefty,
If you get a chance read my note to LS. We have now began calling them either libs or cons. when broken down in this manner you will find the libs passed the civil rights bill under the management of liberal Senator Humphrey at the guidance of liberal President Johnson.
Them darn neocons, always trying to take credit for what others do.

[lsbets]

Still spinning ljb, have you gotten dizzy yet?

[Tom]

He wants to join the Four Tops....they come from Motown too, don't they?

[ljb]

Still spinning ljb, have you gotten dizzy yet?
Whatever :rolleyes: