JOCK CAUGHT THIEVING

[WINMANWIN]

On Thursday, state stewards in Michigan handed jockey Roberto Perez a seven-year suspension for placing wagers on his own behalf - excluding the horse he rode - in the fourth race at Great Lakes Downs on Oct. 4, 2005. They also fined him $7,000.
According to that track's stewards, the evidence in the case proved that Perez engaged in a forbidden wagering transaction involving a horse race. The evidence included bank statements, tote records and sworn testimony, which led the stewards to uphold their immediate suspension of Perez from Oct. 5.

Perez was caught attempting to cash the winning superfecta ticket from the race on Oct. 5, and was initially suspended 60 days and fined $1,000. He can try to appeal the suspension to Michigan racing commissioner Christine C. White.

[rrbauer]

On Thursday, state stewards in Michigan handed jockey Roberto Perez a seven-year suspension for placing wagers on his own behalf - excluding the horse he rode - in the fourth race at Great Lakes Downs on Oct. 4, 2005. They also fined him $7,000.
According to that track's stewards, the evidence in the case proved that Perez engaged in a forbidden wagering transaction involving a horse race. The evidence included bank statements, tote records and sworn testimony, which led the stewards to uphold their immediate suspension of Perez from Oct. 5.

Perez was caught attempting to cash the winning superfecta ticket from the race on Oct. 5, and was initially suspended 60 days and fined $1,000. He can try to appeal the suspension to Michigan racing commissioner Christine C. White.

OK so they suspend him and "fine" him. This guy needs to go up the river and do some hard time.

[cj]

Have criminal charges been brought? Will the $7,000 fine go to screwed over bettors?

[Dave Schwartz]

And here we have an example of one of the reasons why racing is in trouble. People who do dishonest things need to receive very severe penalties. Personally, I like the idea of a suspension like 2 years for a first offense, and let it get longer from there.

A three strikes rule would work as well.

But historically the position of racing is that they don't want to penalize someone by taking away their livelihood. Why not? We have no problem taking away the livelihood of burglars and purse snatchers?



Regards,
Dave Schwartz

Note: this minor soapbox moment was brought to you by your local chapter of "I Care About Racing." <G>

[WINMANWIN]

Can anyone go back and view the charts, I tried but the date is to far back for bris or drf, The article didnt mention what race but one would summize he must have been on a favorite or co-choice.

[GameTheory]

Can anyone go back and view the charts, I tried but the date is to far back for bris or drf, The article didnt mention what race but one would summize he must have been on a favorite or co-choice.His horse was the 3/2 favorite. The comments say, "Off awkwardly" -- he trailed the field until the half and ended up placing 8 out of 10. Superfecta paid $9800 something...

[cosmicway]

How can you tell someone wagered something in the races ?
I mean other than have him followed in advance of the act.

[WINMANWIN]

How can you tell someone wagered something in the races ?
I mean other than have him followed in advance of the act.

I mis-read the article, it did mention the 4th race. Thanks for the info GT :ThmbUp: It appears there may have been a RAT that sunk this jockey.
Who knows for sure, As he and other choir boys probably did it routinely
in some races. It's bad publicity for the track to have it so widespread, so if they set an example with this Jockey, the others take notice and LAY LOW
for awhile.

[highabove]

Seven years is stiff but big deal. He can go to any other cheap track and go right to work. If you were suspended from all tracks these crooks might think twice

[Ron]

Why would the dumb ass cash his won ticket?

[WINMANWIN]

Seven years is stiff but big deal. He can go to any other cheap track and go right to work. If you were suspended from all tracks these crooks might think twice

If the charges hold up, All the tracks honor the ban I believe. :ThmbUp:

[Zman179]

The jockey was actually stupid enough to place his own bet and the teller banged him in.

And believe me, he will essentially be out of the sport for those seven years. The best that he could do is work as an exercise rider at somebody's farm or training center.

[Dave Schwartz]

Apparently I missed that. He got 7 years off?

IMHO, it is deserved.

Dave

[cosmicway]

No clerk is ever going to spill the beans unless he fancies turning into a bag of bones.
On one occasion, following a race scandal, computer sheets were produced for the entire market but all you could se was the sums of money. There was one very big gamble that stood out, but not in favour of the winner !

My initial reaction is to support police methods, but what is the precise method to employ ?

[kenwoodallpromos]

It beats trying to get worker's comp if he were to get injured! LOL!
What is the incentive Not to cheat in terms of career?

[rokitman]

The jockey was actually stupid enough to place his own bet and the teller banged him in.

And believe me, he will essentially be out of the sport for those seven years. The best that he could do is work as an exercise rider at somebody's farm or training center.


He deserves 7 years just for being dumb enough to make the bet himself. Bothersome part is, how many clerks would turn a jock in like this as opposed to just punching themselves a matching ticket? Not too many, I'm afraid.

[cosmicway]

He deserves 7 years just for being dumb enough to make the bet himself. Bothersome part is, how many clerks would turn a jock in like this as opposed to just punching themselves a matching ticket? Not too many, I'm afraid.

Looks like a frame up.
Said jock would never act to incriminate himself or wise up the clerk/others around. I 've seen jocks gambling but only when they are temporarily off the horses.
This is how I made money once:
It was the 7th, at about 6 pm and a guy turns up dressed in a blue suit, gold cuffs, hair combed with precision. Everyone else was dusty after 3 hours of racing.
In addition he was carrying a suitcase full of money which he passed to the clerk and asked for the quinella 2x5.
I followed with 200 bucks and it paid 4 to 1.
The two horses finished miles apart from the others.

[Dave Schwartz]

Cosmic,

I have a similar story but with the opposite result.

It was about 20 years ago at Hollywood Park. With about 2 minutes to post two guys in suits walk past me carrying a large attache case. One guy is berating the other guy about making them late and getting shut out. They turn and head into the "private" betting area for large players that they used to have there.

As I head towards the window to make my bet, these two guys come running up and ace me out of the head of the line so they can get their bet in. (The one guy is still berating the other.) I am obviously going to get shut out for my $20 so I hurry back to my seat to concentrate on watching the tote to see which horse they are betting. Suddenly the 6-horse (yes, I actually remember the horse's number) plummets from 12/1 to about 4/1. (As I recall, I figured they must have wagered around $10k.)

The 6 never raises a gallop. So much for inside information.

BTW, the 6 was my horse as well. <G>


Dave

[cosmicway]

In the "ode to liberty" poet Solomos says:

"relate your glories of the past and mourn"

True there was the old mishap with bookie assistants "burning money", but now it is no longer possible, with on-line off course betting everywhere.

It's Tote equipment makers 5 - Punters 0

[toetoe]

Wasn't Jose Amy warned off for 25 YEARS? He recently returned, a relatively little old man.

[Tom]

Yes, Amy was banned as a cheat. How could anyone ever have any fatih in him again? If he wantted to come back so badly, let hem pay off every cent he cheated bettors out of back then. Until they pay it ALL back, a cheater should never be allowed back. Compassionate of me? Tought titty said the kitty 'cause the milk's all gone. He DID NOT pay his debt to society until he pays back those he STOLE from - no different thant a friggin' mugger in the parking lot. This guy is trash as are all cheater - I have no sympathy for a cheater.

[JohnNUtah]

I am so glad this evil-doer has had the long arm of the law reach out and grab him, and also feel much better that he has been punished "to the full extent of the Law"!

Maybe next time he can let me in on the fix.:eek:

:mad:

[analyzer]

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[toetoe]

Tom,

I fear the can of worms you open is greater than Jerry Bailey's ego. Whittingham, Stephens, all the trainers that lied to tipseekers, knowing they would not pass the races, but instead bet other horses, are thieves by your definition. Please don't tell me you go to the library so you can find out where all the convicted, time-already-served child-diddlers in your area are living. Just shoot 'em and do the time, or consider their debt paid, or see that they remain incarcerated. Freedom can't be conditional, can it? Isn't it like the quality of mercy, unstrainable? Bigshot stock brokers, M. Milken being just one despicable example, swindle people all the time. Oh, but that's a respectable profession, you say? The incompetence of jockeys, stewards and others might be actionable, and maybe we could get some money to lose right back, kinda like happens at the casinos. 25 YEARS !! Although I guess it was just warned off, not locked up.

[cosmicway]

I 've heard of governments plugging in money into the stock exchange, to restore investors' confidence at times of crisis.
Could the same broadly speaking thing be done in racecourses ?
That is bet some $ 500,000 ore one mil, distributed evenly during the day's races at a positive ROI.

[Zman179]

Wasn't Jose Amy warned off for 25 YEARS? He recently returned, a relatively little old man.

He was actually given a lifetime banishment but he was able to fight it, and win, in the Puerto Rican courts and rode at El Comandante for all that time (the track had initially fought his reinstatement.) It was the only track in North America that would let him ride.

[midnight]

You know you've hit near the bottom of the barrel if you've been banned from thoroughbred racing in Michigan. The only harder place there is to get banned from is Louisiana; they'll grant a license if the applicant hasn't killed anybody in the past week.

The only difference between this guy and the other 5,000 crooks is that he got caught. If they cracked down on every horseman who's cheated at least once in the past five years, they'd be running one two-horse race a day at most places----without any jockeys----because it'd be tough to find five clean guys at any one track. At that, they'd run one more race a day than the standardbred guys would. And I don't even want to get started on what goes on at the greyhounds...

[toetoe]

'Night,

This may be the solution to our problem of too much racing. Several 7-race cards, 3 or 4 times per week, with a national pick-6, -5, -7, however many, whatever.

I didn't know Amy got the reverse-Bobby Knight treatment in Puerto Rico. Sounds like easy time, although I'm sure he didn't get rich, not including any boat races staged over THERE.

[Tom]

Toe - as a mater of fact, I DO check the net and find all child molesters in my area and make sure their neighbors know it - we just successfully kept one catagory 3 POS out of the area. I found one TWO DOORS from me a couple of years ago! HE is now gone. THAT debt is never paid-ever.

[toetoe]

Now, the only huge problem remaining is where to warn him off to, more than two doors away from any OTHER poor schmuck. Shall I check the business startups to make sure no slimy swindlers have set up shop in town, or people who went bankrupt, and may owe private folks money? I can't imagine the tawdriness I'll find. Except for the "sexy" subject matter, are they really that dissimilar?

[jotb]

If they cracked down on every horseman who's cheated at least once in the past five years, they'd be running one two-horse race a day at most places----without any jockeys----because it'd be tough to find five clean guys at any one track. At that, they'd run one more race a day than the standardbred guys would. And I don't even want to get started on what goes on at the greyhounds...[/QUOTE]

Hello:

I would think for the most part jockeys have absolutely no reason to cheat! There are around 2,000 jocks in North America fighting each day to earn a living. Many of these 2,000 jocks are starving because of the stiff competition at each track. A riding colony can carry as many as 60 riders. The top 10 at this type of meet are making a decent living and the rest grind it out by riding a few each day. These low profile riders most of the time are bringing up the rear so cheating is quite difficult to achieve considering the horses they are riding. To think the top riders at a specific track might be cheating is just ludicrious thinking, given the fact that the purse structure at most tracks is quite rewarding. I highly doubt a rider would jeopardize their career by cheating. It's difficult enough for all jockeys to keep trainers happy on a daily basis so could you imagine if a trainer felt their rider was not putting out? I mean don't get me wrong, there are times when you will see a rider not giving 100% but there is sufficient reason why this does happen. It's very simple. Many horses are sore! I don't blame riders when they don't let these types run. I've witnessed many bad spills over the years. Some of these trainers just don't care what they put on the track. Why should a rider jeopardize their lives (which they do each race)?. I know this is the profession they have chose but if a rider feels a horse is ready to break down, I feel they should only be concern about the safety of othere riders in the race and their horse. The fans are just too tough on riders and forget that racehorses are not machines. I can assure you that cheating is the farthest thing in the mind of a jockey....

Best regards,
Joe

[cosmicway]

When you chat jocks in private they "confess" to ten times more crime than they ever have committed.
When they appear in public they whine.

[jotb]

When you chat jocks in private they "confess" to ten times more crime than they ever have committed.
When they appear in public they whine.

Are you saying that when you speak with jockeys, their coversation with you is how many times they cheat? I hope you don't want me to believe this if that is what you are saying? It's people like you that give jocks a bad name and ruin the best game played outdoors.

[cosmicway]

I have eaten tons of spaghetti with jocks and we also boiled chestnuts.

This is the order of infamy in racing:

1 - journalists
2 - journalists
3 - racecourse officials
4 - trainers
5 - jocks

jocks get the wooden spoon

[PaceAdvantage]

jotb, perhaps things are different in Greece....