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turfbar
10-26-2005, 10:54 AM
Did I ever tell you that TMH picked Volponi on top
good ole M.P. picked it cold , so that got me thinking
what if ,for B.C., we divulged our precious software pix on board
I am game if you are
Turfbar

betchatoo
10-26-2005, 01:45 PM
Did that last year and have no problem doing it again

turfbar
10-28-2005, 07:59 PM
TMH pick Classic Super Frolic
Turfbar

midnight
10-29-2005, 03:05 AM
My own program picks Borrego for the Classic, but its forte isn't stakes races.

andicap
10-29-2005, 03:09 AM
My program, HTR, doesn't pick the horses.

I do.

BillW
10-29-2005, 03:31 AM
My computer likes St. Liam (based on the lowest fair odds it generates). Using my computer, I would play Sir Shackleton if the odds hold. I would also look at Flower Alley seriously. Please note that my computer doesn't stake the bankroll, therefore can be a bit irresponsible at times :eek: .

PaceAdvantage
10-29-2005, 03:51 AM
Just did the BC Classic with CJ's program (figs) and I have come to the following conclusions:

a) Saint Liam isn't dominating enough to warrant betting at anywhere near his morning line....

b) Perfect Drift might be the perfect price/ability horse in the Classic. He has the ability, and he will be a price. Plus he's the perfect kind of "off the radar" horse....

c) Borrego is a scary horse, but won't be a big enough price to warrant the risk.


I guess what I'm trying to say is Perfect Drift is probably going to be my main bet in the Classic....

analyzer
10-29-2005, 08:28 AM
Belmont- 5th- Profiler selects #10 on top and it has profitable running style. Belmont- 8th- Profiler selects #3 on top and it has profitable running style. Belmont- 9th- Profiler selects #8 on top and it has profitable running style. Belmont-10th-Profiler selects #14 on top and it has profitable running style. This is the only way to be at least fair to the program to provide a selection on top which also matches a profitable running style for the race in question. Any races listed with Foreign horses might be affected such as 5th race #13. 9th race #3. 10th race #4. Just a little food for thought. Hope these help and good luck to all.

GR1@HTR
10-29-2005, 08:59 AM
Haha...Funny but true ACap.


Best HTR Ratings...
Average Pace: St. Liam
Velocity: Perfect Drift
K Rating: St. Liam
Pedigree: Flower Alley
Work Out: A Bit O Gold and Flower Alley
Closer: Choctaw Nation/Perfect Drift

JimG
10-29-2005, 09:30 AM
Beav's Yeast

Saint Liam
Sir Shackleton

WorkHorse Pro 2

Saint Liam
Choctow Nation

Val3

Perfect Drift
Borrego

JCapper

Saint Liam
Flower Alley

Capsheet 4.1

Saint Liam
Flower Alley

Hope everyone has a good day.

Jim

douglasw32
10-29-2005, 10:37 AM
Classic
========

Saint Liam OR Flower Alley
with
Suave/Oratorio

Turf
========
Gun Salute OR English Channel
with
Bago/Shaqkespear/Leprechuan Kid


Distaff
=========
Ashado OR Happy Ticket OR Stellar Jayne
with
Yolando B/Healthy Addiction/Island Fashion/In the Gold/Sweet Symphony


Mile
========
Leroideesanimaux OR Artie Schiller
with
Funfair/Majors Cast/Singeltary/Limehouse


Sprint
=======
Lost in the Fog OR Silver Train
with
Elusive Jazz/Wildcat Heir/Atilas Storm/Taste of Paradise


F&M Turf
========
Mona Lisa OR Intercontinental OR Favourable Terms
with
Angara/Ouija Board/Sundrop/Megahertz


Juvenille
========
Dr. Pleasure OR Dawn of War
with
Sorcerers Stone/First Samurai


Juvenille Fillies
===============
Folklore OR Sensation
with
Knights of Templar/Adieu/She Says It Best


and the TWO OPENERS to BOOT

Discovery Handicap
==============
Quadrant OR War Front
with
Watchmon/Spanish Mission/Scrappy T


Sport Page Handicap
==============
Captain Squire OR Value Plus
with
Voodo/Brand name

Charlie Judge
10-29-2005, 11:52 AM
Here is the TJ BC oddsline. Euro horses have no psr or speed ratings, so use conventional handicapping for these horses.


Race Horsename Program Odds

3
Adieu 6 3.0

Folklore 1 4.8

She Says It Best 8 5.6

Knights Templar 5 6.1

Original Spin 2 9.0

Ex Caelis 9 15.6

Sensation 7 19.0

Wild Fit 10 24.0

Diamond Omi 4 32.3

Along the Sea 3 99.0

4
First Samurai 9 2.7

Henny Hughes 10 4.5

Set Alight 4 11.5

Ivan Denisovich (IRE) 2 13.2

Leo (GB) 3 13.2

Stevie Wonderboy 12 15.6

Dawn of War 6 19.0

Sorcerer's Stone 8 19.0

Jealous Profit 5 24.0

Superfly 1 32.3

Brother Derek 13 32.3

Dr. Pleasure 14 32.3

Stream Cat 7 49.0

Private Vow 11 49.0

5
Riskaverse 4 4.5

Intercontinental (GB) 10 5.6

Wonder Again 7 7.3

Luas Line (IRE) 1 10.1

Ouija Board (GB) 13 11.5

Angara (GB) 14 13.2

Film Maker 2 15.6

Favourable Terms (GB) 9 15.6

Mona Lisa (GB) 11 15.6

Flip Flop (FR) 6 19.0

Sundrop (JPN) 3 24.0

Megahertz (GB) 8 24.0

Wend 5 99.0

Karen's Caper 12 99.0

6
Lost in the Fog 7 3.7

Wildcat Heir 6 4.0

Taste of Paradise 1 5.2

Lion Tamer 5 11.5

Gygistar 11 11.5

Elusive Jazz 8 13.2

Attila's Storm 2 19.0

Lifestyle 9 19.0

Silver Train 3 24.0

Battle Won 4 24.0

Imperialism 10 49.0

7
Leroidesanimaux (BRZ) 11 2.5

Artie Schiller 2 5.6

Limehouse 12 6.6

Singletary 9 10.1

Funfair (GB) 6 13.2

Majors Cast (IRE) 7 15.6

Ad Valorem 5 19.0

Valixir (IRE) 10 19.0

Host (CHI) 1 24.0

Sand Springs 4 32.3

Gorella (FR) 8 32.3

Whipper 3 99.0

8
Ashado 3 3.1

Society Selection 1 5.6

Happy Ticket 7 7.3

Stellar Jayne 2 10.1

Sweet Symphony 12 11.5

Yolanda B. Too 5 13.2

Island Fashion 8 13.2

Nothing But Fun 4 24.0

Healthy Addiction 6 24.0

Hollywood Story 9 24.0

In the Gold 10 24.0

Capeside Lady 13 24.0

Pleasant Home 11 99.0

9
Better Talk Now 4 6.6

Shakespeare 7 7.3

Silverfoot 8 9.0

English Channel 10 9.0

Laura's Lucky Boy 11 9.0

Gun Salute 13 11.5

Shirocco (GER) 2 13.2

Bago (FR) 3 13.2

Azamour (IRE) 5 13.2

Ace (IRE) 6 13.2

Shake the Bank 1 15.6

Fourty Niners Son 9 19.0

Leprechaun Kid 12 99.0


10
Borrego 11 4.5

Saint Liam 13 4.8

Oratorio (IRE) 4 13.2

Sir Shackleton 6 13.2

Perfect Drift 5 15.6

Jack Sullivan 10 15.6

Starcraft (NZ) 14 15.6

Choctaw Nation 3 19.0

Super Frolic 7 32.3

Suave 8 32.3

Sun King 2 49.0

Flower Alley 9 49.0

A Bit O'Gold 12 99.0

JustRalph
10-29-2005, 12:23 PM
Equisim likes the usual suspects until you go back to Saratoga on the 8 horse. The horse stumbled last out..........in spite of Prado's record in the BC I love Suave at a price.................

Suave!

cato
10-29-2005, 01:16 PM
Turfbar--I don;t see how you think TMH points to #7 Super Frolic.


If you look at the odds, it picks
Perfect Drift
Sait LIam
Super Frolic
Choctaw Nation
Suave

If you look at PPF it points to
Perfect Drift
Sait LIam
Borego
Choctaw Nation
Sup[er Frolic

SO maybe Super Frolic is certainly a possibnle bet based on the odds...but there are many posibilities.

Goood luck, Cato

Carlb
10-30-2005, 12:27 AM
Cato
Do you have TMH or is that TMM your using? I think turfbar is referring to The Master Handicapper not The Master Magician of course both come from the same place but use different data TMH is the older program it came before Handicapping Magic which developed into TMM...

turfbar
10-30-2005, 07:19 AM
Cato
Do you have TMH or is that TMM your using? I think turfbar is referring to The Master Handicapper not The Master Magician of course both come from the same place but use different data TMH is the older program it came before Handicapping Magic which developed into TMM...

Thank you Carlb
Turfbar

cato
10-30-2005, 02:37 PM
You got it. I saw TMH and read it TMM. Too many TMs

Cato

NY BRED
10-30-2005, 08:37 PM
i used the s.f. in the first/2nd and third positions, keying it
with flower ally, barago and perfect drift.

oh yes,as a single in the double .pick three and 4

and naturally, like a moron, went 13-9-7/13-9-7/11-5-6 in the supers


check out coa's ride...on the turn, it looked like s.f. was going to win or place

can't believe how this horse lost the show spot


ugh.......

toetoe
10-31-2005, 02:27 PM
My HWP gizmo, the Hydraulic Water Pic, picked ... MY TEETH. COLD DUCK.

oddswizard
11-01-2005, 11:54 AM
HTR features several pace lines. How do you use them to pick the winners? Thanks.

andicap
11-01-2005, 02:56 PM
It took me a while to figure it out but I finally have a method of using HTR that I use consistently. If anyone wants to hear it more indepth please email me and I'll be happy to share it.

Short version: I look for the best paceline in the last 90-120 days or so -- with considerations for layoffs, surface, distance, etc. -- and try to keep it to the past 3 races if possible. I use the Impact ratings to get contenders and set the PLs.
I do a pace analysis to see if its early, late or "honest." I might change a PL if the pace of race is unrealistic. I like horses who have been chasing fast paces and not disgracing themselves.
I eliminate the early/late horses at a pace disadvantage.
I quickly check form cycles, any bias, changes in jockeys, trainers, the HTR workout number. Is there a "Super-Trainer" wild card in here?
See if other longshot non-contenders have a pace advantage and consider it for exotics.

Bottomline: I look at my top 2 longshots and evaluate them to see if one or two are worthy of keying. I might also use a lower-priced overlay if he has a real pace advantage, bias in favor, and sharp form cycle or has a good WO number.

Tom
11-02-2005, 12:24 AM
I haven't used Impact since the dos version....kind of got lost in the shuffle.

I'd be interested in your thoughts on it.
So much there, it's hard to use it all! (nice problem, eh?;) )

andicap
11-02-2005, 10:14 AM
Sinner369,
my PM inbox was full - please resend. But I will guess you are interested in how I use HTR?
You can always email me as well...

turfbar
11-08-2005, 08:31 AM
You got it. I saw TMH and read it TMM. Too many TMs

Cato
Hey Cato guess u never got my e-mail so I 'll ask my question
here I was reading old posts and you were talking about Jim Bradshaws work the
"match_up" is their a definition for that match-up, I am trying to find if anyone agrees with my theory of velocity match-ups, and what their perception is.

Turfbar