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shoelessjoe
08-02-2005, 10:15 PM
Any one using these in their handicapping?If so how would you apply them to today's race. Shoeless
What goes into making a TPR number ?
ZAFONIC
46zilzal
08-03-2005, 12:08 AM
The very first Sartin programs used 2nd call and final fraction ast Total Pace Rating, which, in a very few words, are OUT OF DATE.
Vegas711
08-03-2005, 04:19 PM
The very first Sartin programs used 2nd call and final fraction ast Total Pace Rating, which, in a very few words, are OUT OF DATE.
Why are they out of date? I use TPR with one exception I no longer restrict my self to picking a paceline. My program basically shows the TPRs for a horses entire past performances.
With TPR you can still find early and late advantages if the odds are right you have a play. The only way TPR becomes out of date is if everyone buys it and they use it the exact same way then it is out dated. The most important factor that effects the success of a program is the user providing that the program meets a basic level of compentacy which TPR does.
Vegas711
08-03-2005, 04:25 PM
Any one using these in their handicapping?If so how would you apply them to today's race. Shoeless I do not know what version you are using? Is it the original version where you have to type in the data? Are you restricted to viewing 1 paceline at a time?
If you are I can give you the name of a Programer who for less than $200 will customize it for you.
What goes into making a TPR number ?
ZAFONIC
You make a speed rating for the second call and final fractions. In sprints, a :44 = 100 and each 1/5 slower gets one point less. Each third fractions gets a rating from a standard time for each distance. You add the two together to get a TPR number, something like 97-92 189
You can then make adjustments for track to track, daily variant, etc.
Dick Schmidt
08-04-2005, 03:18 AM
Hi Guys,
Well, I still use TPR. Big Surprise! I don't play much these days, but when I do, I find the TPR numbers work just as well as they ever did. I too use a program that gives me adjusted TPR numbers for all 10 pacelines on every horse (Synergism) and have found that having all the numbers is a big improvement. When I do them by hand (well, hand held computer) I still do several pacelines for each horse most of the time.
By the way, though they are the simplest of the Sartin numbers, and called Phase I in Sartin speak, they were developed long after Phase III, Ultra Scan, Energy, K-Gen and many others. Howard never much liked them and soon pulled them off the market because they were easy to understand, difficult to sell more than once, and Tom Hambleton could regularly out-perform him and Bradshaw at picking races. Especially before they were run.
Anyway, TPR keeps ticking along, winning a fair share and then some. Of course, you do have to work at it (or use a computer program that does the record keeping for you), but given today's rebates anyone who invests a little time and thought should come out ahead. Of course, that eliminates about 90% of all handicappers.
Dick
Don't worry about what people think; they don't do it very often.
Vegas711
08-04-2005, 03:55 AM
Hi Guys,
Well, I still use TPR. Big Surprise! I don't play much these days, but when I do, I find the TPR numbers work just as well as they ever did. I too use a program that gives me adjusted TPR numbers for all 10 pacelines on every horse (Synergism) and have found that having all the numbers is a big improvement. When I do them by hand (well, hand held computer) I still do several pacelines for each horse most of the time.
By the way, though they are the simplest of the Sartin numbers, and called Phase I in Sartin speak, they were developed long after Phase III, Ultra Scan, Energy, K-Gen and many others. Howard never much liked them and soon pulled them off the market because they were easy to understand, difficult to sell more than once, and Tom Hambleton could regularly out-perform him and Bradshaw at picking races. Especially before they were run.
Anyway, TPR keeps ticking along, winning a fair share and then some. Of course, you do have to work at it (or use a computer program that does the record keeping for you), but given today's rebates anyone who invests a little time and thought should come out ahead. Of course, that eliminates about 90% of all handicappers.
Dick
Don't worry about what people think; they don't do it very often.
Dick, I know a couple of people who are interested in the TPR program. They may want to buy a copy. My version is a little different than the books, maybe they would prefer yours, can you help them?
Also do you have a copy of the 3 day las vegas cassett tapes 1991, i can't make cassett copies.
grahors
08-04-2005, 07:57 AM
TPR IS NOT OUTDATED.
I may not always use PMR figs, but the total pace rating (I use CJ, but any good program) is a solid foundation to start handicapping. I agree with Vegas, don't restrict to one paceline or just "good" races. Use the races as barometers. Granted, it is not a black box, but they sure help to get me going in the right direction for contender selection.
grahors
08-04-2005, 08:01 AM
P.S. Thank you Dick for helping me build the "foundation". Many, many years of fun because of you guys.
midnight
08-04-2005, 10:20 AM
Howard never much liked them and soon pulled them off the market because they were easy to understand, difficult to sell more than once, and Tom Hambleton could regularly out-perform him and Bradshaw at picking races. Especially before they were run.
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Howard could outperform anybody AFTER the races were run.
The old joke goes like this: Howard and a real estate agent were driving along through Arrowhead. Doc pointed to one of several simple-looking summer houses along the lake.
Doc: Do you have that one listed with your agency?.
Salesman: Which one?
Doc (pointing): That one. That's made out of wood, right?
Salesman: Yep. Almost all of the houses here are wood.
Doc: I like that one. If I buy it, I'd want to paint it red.
Salesman: Not a problem. But not many houses around here are painted that color. Why red?
Doc: Oh, I just have a preference for red boarding.
Dick Schmidt
08-04-2005, 03:19 PM
Vegas711,
I have a copy of an old DOS version of TPR that I'll be glad to send to people. Just send me an e-mail and I'll fire it back. You'll have to figure out how it works on your own. What I usually recommend for anyone who is serious about the races and wants a modern program is to use Synergism, Bob Purdy's program. It gives you nicely adjusted TPR numbers for all the pacelines in a horse's PP, plus lots of record keeping goodies. The program is free, but you need HDW data.
Dick
Synergism - www.synergism-sdp.com (http://www.synergism-sdp.com)
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