Netcapper

[Lefty]

Since Gordon instituted the spotplays and his way of tracking them with the 2 week moving avg and bolinger bands to give the bet or not bet signal, has anyone been using that feature and with what success? Sounds ingenious.

[joeyspicks]

Lefty,

I love Netcapper and the features you mentioned. I havent really had the program long enough to build the avgs, bollinger band info etc. I have been building a databse over the past 3 weeks or so. I have used 2 week moving avgs on my own for the past 3-4 years and find it very benificial for tracking different plays etc. The program comes with 150 spot plays.....alot.....many I am sure I will never use. But with the graphs you can easily track which are profitable and at what tracks. I love the fact you can keep records by track and type of race etc.

[Lefty]

joey, thanks for the info. What's the number of latest update with the spotplays? I hacve a friend who has netcapper, doesn't use it, but I don't think he has the spotplays on it. So could you tell me the no. of latest ver?

[joeyspicks]

Lefty,


Mine says: V 1.050414 Got it about a month ago.

In the note Gordon sent with the software it says the number of spot plays has been greatly expanded. I have 150 spot plays on my version.......I'm not sure what was on past versions.

[Lefty]

joey, thanks again. I appreciate it.

[ratpack]

That is the part of the spot plays I am very interested in talking about.

I would like to find someone who uses the program who has found a spot play at the beginning of one of those Bollinger cycles

I am sure there are some but the problem is Gordon not letting anyone who does not own the program join in on the private forum and the public forum is DEAD.

I hope some of the Capper people can visit this site or Gordon will change his mind because I bet it will increase his sales.

[klynn52]

Lefty: are you kidding about the Bollinger bands and Moving average? Both are used in technical analysis of stocks and funds? lynn

[Lefty]

klynn,, I know. Gordon is using them in Netcapper's spotplays too. Sounds logical to me but nobody says they're using them.

[ratpack]

Lefty: are you kidding about the Bollinger bands and Moving average? Both are used in technical analysis of stocks and funds? lynn

No he is not. I am guessing for you Lefty

I do not use Netcapper, yet but I have sent for the manual and have emailed Gordon about the spot Plays and Bollinger Bands.

That has always been one of the sore points with spot plays that while they tend to have a long dry spell and then hot period.

Gordon seems to brought a fresh approch to spot plays, that is why I wanted to see if any long term Capper users have kept track of that spot play approach.

[Gordon Pine]

Hi:

I saw there was a discussion about The Capper's spot play charts. (The program is called The Capper, the company is called NetCapper.)

I just registered with PaceAdvantage to see if I could answer questions about this. I like betting spot plays because you can do it in the morning and it caters to sporadic handicapping rather than the type of handicapping where you try to find a bet in every race.

The problem with spot plays is that they all go hot and cold. In fact, I don't think most people have any idea how hot and cold they can go. Handicappers have this idea you can take a sample of a spot play (sometimes a very small sample) and expect it to replicate that performance in the future. Nope. What a spot play did in the past can often have a very poor correlation with what it does in the future. The spot play charts show this over and over.

For instance, a spot play can be solid for months at a time and then suddenly go south on a long-term basis. This appears to be a seasonal effect sometimes -- other times, the cause is beyond me. In this type of case, if you're rigid about following your spot play, you'll blow all your profits and bust your bankroll. (I've done this many times myself.) On the other hand, if you're too loose with your rules, it defeats the purpose of having a mechanical spot play (and usually doesn't work anyway).

So the spot play charts use the tools of technical analysis to find the periods when certain plays are especially playable. I know some guys who are into trading really like this idea because they say, "A chart is a chart is a chart." In other words, they think you can chart anything and make money off it. I don't know about that. Spot play charts are charting profit and loss, not the ebb and flow of prices. But you can get a LOT more information about how a spot play is performing by looking at a chart than you can from a few statistics. And there do seem to be repeating patterns that signal a profitable period.

No, I haven't made a million dollars betting this yet. Right now I'm testing it with one of my mini-bankrolls (Google mini-bankroll to see my article explaining this). And I haven't made a bet in over a month because the new baby comes first and I'm lucky if anything comes second. So I like to think of myself as Leo Fender and hope one of my users will become Eric Clapton. Anyway, I'll try to answer any straight questions. I apologize in advance if the answers are brief or slow in coming.

Gordon Pine
NetCapper

[Speed Figure]

It's about time you came over here, welcome to the board Gordon!!!!!!!!!! :cool:

[ratpack]

Glad you came on board Gordon.

I will re-read the Netcapper manual and I am sure I have have some question.

The Spot Play look great but the other part that I love is how the program scans all of the races of all of the tracks you download and prints out all the spot plays that meets your criteria. You do not have to manually look through race after race for your sport plays.

So then you just have to check the Bollinger Bands/2week averages for the Spot plays you have selected to see if you have a bet.

[Tom]

Welcome, Gordon.

I enjoy reading your articles on handicapping. Glad to see you here.

[andicap]

Quick, PA,

Sell Gordon an ad!!!

:D :D :D

[CapperLou]

Good to see you here Gordon!!!!

I should update you and tell you that your Bettor Keep Track is still doing wonders for me. CRC & DEL have become my two best ROI's since I purchased the program from you about three years ago. Still use my Scott stuff both places.

Glad to hear you are well--I'm sitting here in comfort inside and outside today it is 97 feel like temp. Either coming out to CA shortly or longshot chance I may get up to the Spa instead. Will know this weekend. What a life--Del Mar or Saratoga!!! Just a happy horseplayer here.

All the best,

CapperLou

[Gordon Pine]

CapperLou:

Glad to hear you're doing well. As you illustrate, tracking and analyzing your bets is more important than handicapping. (Although you can't do without the handicapping part altogether.) I remember doing big paper tests of the Scott stuff and not coming up with much positive, but your experience shows how each track is its own little universe. I guess CRC and DEL are the tracks where Scott's techniques are most profitable.

Gordon Pine
NetCapper

[cato]

Gordon: Do you have any plans to automate BTK wher you can download the information on the race--everything but the bet?

I have the program and it can provide great information but I view entering the information as somewhat similar to flossing. Its boring and I should do it but I can't foce myself to do it on a consistent basis.

Cheers, Cato

[CapperLou]

Gordon: Do you have any plans to automate BTK wher you can download the information on the race--everything but the bet?

I have the program and it can provide great information but I view entering the information as somewhat similar to flossing. Its boring and I should do it but I can't foce myself to do it on a consistent basis.

Cheers, Cato

Gordon: If you could automate BTK--that would be fantastic!!! I think you would sell a lot more programs very quickly--let's have an update that will automate!!!

All the best,

CapperLou

[bobhilo]

"As you illustrate, tracking and analyzing your bets is more important than handicapping. (Although you can't do without the handicapping part altogether"

good observation sir, I have enjoyed your Gordon Pine archived articles on your website....hope you post more here Gordon..."if it's free, it's for me"

also Capper Lou....your ideas on focusing on certain distances at certain tracks is EXCELLENT ADVICE(thanks for sharing)

[Gordon Pine]

Cato:

I agree with the flossing/entering bets comparison, but I probably won't be automating Bettor Keep Track anytime soon.

Actually, I've had an automatic-entry Bets feature in The Capper for 9 months or so. It's been an (until now) unadvertised beta feature. I've been calling it beta because, although I think everything's working, this stuff gets complicated programming-wise, what with late scratches and how they affect superfecta boxes and pick-three part-wheels, dealing with entries, etc.

When I was designing The Capper's Bets dialog, I thought about creating an automated Bettor Keep Track, but it would have meant starting from scratch - kind of a tall order. Anyway, I don't have as much time now for programming, so an automated BKT is probably a pipe dream for now.

Gordon Pine
NetCapper

[xfile]

Lefty: are you kidding about the Bollinger bands and Moving average? Both are used in technical analysis of stocks and funds? lynn

Is he using Simple Moving Averages or Exponential Moving Averages?...:cool:

[Gordon Pine]

It's a simple moving average based on the last 14 days of data.

Gordon Pine
NetCapper