The winning method is subjective not objective

[fishorsechess]

You want to know why systems don't work? Its because systems are
based on objectivity. Count the number of points...highest point
score for the horse is the play... Statistics: the highest percentage
for this trainer is the play....
But try to figure this out. Someone in my family mentioned to me that
the #1 trader in the U.S. uses an EYEBALL TECHNIQUE: "THAT STOCK
JUST LOOKS GOOD".
Hard and fast rules don't work because each race is different from
any other race and there zillions of variables involved in the result
of a horserace.

[PaceAdvantage]

Your post titles are the equivalent of a PaceAdvantage.Com Fortune Cookie...


;)

[Overlay]

Because racing not only has so many variables that go into deciding individual race outcomes, but also has overall performance patterns that hold up year after year (coupled with the fact that there's always a choice available as to whether to bet or pass any given race), players can win consistently utilizing any of a variety of different handicapping styles -- from the ultra-intuitive to the totally statistical. That's what allows the game to have such an enduring and widespread appeal (not to mention the pure beauty and excitement of the sport itself).

[Buckeye]

Racing is a tough game to beat largely because it is so predictable.

And the factors that "predict" are generally widely known and get, in a word, 'hammered'

The tough part then, is finding a solid method of prediction that is not widely known.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Overlay]

Racing is a tough game to beat largely because it is so predictable. And the factors that "predict" are generally widely known and get, in a word, 'hammered'.

Which is why it pays to include a combination of fundamental factors in your handicapping, or (even better) to use that mix of factors to estimate a horse's true winning chances. That way, you don't have to keep trying to stay one step ahead of the public. If a horse you like gets overbet, you can either pass the race, or else switch to another horse or exotic combination which is offering value.

[JackS]

Afleet Alex by my figs was the only horse in the field (Preakness) that might run the last furlong in less than 12 seconds. How many Cappers noticed this and decided to play something else? I played something else. Live and hopefully learn.

[hurrikane]

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[kenwoodallpromos]

In any book or other systems I use, I adjust it to allow 3 points (depending on how subjective I feel) for subjectivity

[hurrikane]

sorry,

I know I was being a bit subjective

[sealord]

Because racing not only has so many variables that go into deciding individual race outcomes, but also has overall performance patterns that hold up year after year (coupled with the fact that there's always a choice available as to whether to bet or pass any given race), players can win consistently utilizing any of a variety of different handicapping styles -- from the ultra-intuitive to the totally statistical. That's what allows the game to have such an enduring and widespread appeal (not to mention the pure beauty and excitement of the sport itself).

Pure poetry. Well said.

[andicap]

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Hurrikane,
you and i have been around here too long. We've seen these questions asked and addressed about a million times. :D To the newbies they might be fresh subjects. That's why they invented "skimming" as an alternative to studying or scrutinizing everything. To me, the longer I'm here, the more it takes to get my full attention.

It's not PA's fault or the board's; it's just that we've seen all these opinions before -- many by the same people. Sometimes, tho, we get lucky and some new blood adds something fresh that hasn't been considered here. I find these postings by youknowwho as bland as you do, but if I was new to the game or had just joined the board it and wanted to join the conversation it might still see fresh.

[hurrikane]

honestly Andi,

If you were asking the question it might have meaning because I would expect you to offer your opinion. This would, in part, tell me who you are and what your beliefs are and allow me to assign value.

If you search all the threads I think you will find this guy has never offerd anything. He just makes up these questions.

I'm not sure why. The guy just irritates me.

[NoDayJob]

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True words of wisdom around here.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

NDJ

[GameTheory]

http://www.smartasscookie.com/dandz/Dhardwork.gif

[Suff]

honestly Andi,

If you were asking the question it might have meaning because I would expect you to offer your opinion. This would, in part, tell me who you are and what your beliefs are and allow me to assign value.

If you search all the threads I think you will find this guy has never offerd anything. He just makes up these questions.

I'm not sure why. The guy just irritates me.

He is an inquisitive fellow.




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how to win bidding war on Ebay
fishorsechess

Don't know any pro horseplayers that did it through buying books/systems
fishorsechess

Tom Hambleton's Form Points Book
fishorsechess

The real reason you want to beat the races: Job Security
fishorsechess

I missed Jay Bridges handicapping get togethers with Sartin members
fishorsechess

But officer I didn't know it was against the law here
fishorsechess

SteveStatMan in New Book on Racing: Coincidence?
fishorsechess

Apology toward those offended
fishorsechess

Danica Patrick unfair weight advantage compared to horseracing weight handicaps
fishorsechess

Horseplayers are on the level of child molesters?
fishorsechess

what is the best money management system?
fishorsechess


way to revive racing: more national pick 6
fishorsechess

What handicapping outfits won't sell you
fishorsechess

The two words you don't know how to define in horseracing
fishorsechess

how come pro handicappers don't give out private handicapping lessons?
fishorsechess

does anyone want to sell their bert norman books cheap?
fishorsechess

the secret to beating it: When will the favorite bounce?
fishorsechess

Horseracing Cartoons on Front page of DRF give out messages
fishorsechess

avoiding the "take" thru rebate shops. What are they?
fishorsechess


Has online/phone betting made it easier for the IRS

[kenwoodallpromos]

If I did not know better, from his theads he does not trust handicappers or low odds horses!LOL!

[fishorsechess]

The apology thread and the child molester thread---
--- I had to apologize because I found out that
not everyone in this forum has read Andy Beyer's classic
"Picking Winners"

Cartoons on front page of Racing Form--
You have not worked as a prison guard on Pelikan Bay.

[fishorsechess]

Your post titles are the equivalent of a PaceAdvantage.Com Fortune Cookie...


;)


A shill is a employee of a casino who sits at playing tables acting like
they are one of the public playing there to attract business. Maybe
you can hire me to work for your website to attract more people
to post and view on this website. LOL!

[fishorsechess]

People told me that they don't like Raymond (Everyone Loves Raymond)
but it doesnt bother him as long as the box office is happy.

[hurrikane]

I"m not sure what I would be jealous of. You have shown only an ability to ask questions.

I can find any number of 5 year olds that can do that.

[fishorsechess]

I"m not sure what I would be jealous of. You have shown only an ability to ask questions.

I can find any number of 5 year olds that can do that.


You don't remember when you were 5 years old and your kid brother
or sister got all the attention. You can too if you post something
interesting here on PA. Remember Albert Einstein drove the teachers
nuts for asking too many questions. Asking the right questions is
the first MOST IMPORTANT STEP.

[Suff]

The apology thread and the child molester thread---
--- I had to apologize because I found out that
not everyone in this forum has read Andy Beyer's classic
"Picking Winners"

Cartoons on front page of Racing Form--
You have not worked as a prison guard on Pelikan Bay.

I was just piling on. You don't aggravate me to the level you do Hurrikane.

I find you a little odd, but join the club. :sleeping:

[hurrikane]

I get it now.

you were/are a teacher - educator at one of our fine institutions.

[Hosshead]

Maybe
you can hire me to work for your website to attract more people
to post and view on this website. LOL!I think most people are interested in Quality, not quanity. You fall into ONLY ONE of those. Maybe you can start ANOTHER THREAD asking "what the difference is". I think 90% of the people on this board would agree that, coming from you, that would be an honest question.

[DJofSD]

Remember Albert Einstein drove the teachers
nuts for asking too many questions. Asking the right questions is
the first MOST IMPORTANT STEP.

Excellent reposte!

I believe that Einstein also said words to the effect: God gave you two ears and one mouth. You should use them in that ratio.

DJofSD

[rmania]

You want to know why systems don't work? Its because systems are based on objectivity. Count the number of points..

There are some systems that blend objectivity with subjectivity. And they work quite well.

[fishorsechess]

I think most people are interested in Quality, not quanity. You fall into ONLY ONE of those. Maybe you can start ANOTHER THREAD asking "what the difference is". I think 90% of the people on this board would agree that, coming from you, that would be an honest question.

"God gave me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change
( can't influence the minds of the nation's horseplayers who by
statistics are 95 percent losing players)

the courage to change the things I can
(maybe I can get through to a few of them)

and the wisdom to know the DIFFERENCE
(you are right Hosshead, I don't know the difference between
a few and a million horseplayers)

[kenwoodallpromos]

Worked for Wilber Post! I remember he did all the asking and Mr. Ed did all the answering (right from the horse's mouth!)LOL!

[Hosshead]

[QUOTE=fishorsechess
(you are right Hosshead, I don't know the difference between
a few and a million horseplayers)[/QUOTE]

Wrong again. You didn't read correctly. It's Quality and Quantity (as in the number of threads you start), that you DON't know the difference between.
But I can see how you got that, (and everything else) wrong.

You must have been neglected as a child (last week), and starting thread after thread is the only way you can get attention.
Some here, have acquiesced to your "innocent" manipulation.
Hope that keeps you happy and occupied.
I think if someone would just pour mollasses and feathers on your hands, it would keep you occupied in a constructive way.
Now Go To Your Room !

[NoDayJob]

:D This discussion is getting as "thread" bare as an Oakie rug strapped to the side of an Essex automobile. :D

NDJ

[fishorsechess]

[QUOTE=fishorsechess
(you are right Hosshead, I don't know the difference between
a few and a million horseplayers)

Wrong again. You didn't read correctly. It's Quality and Quantity (as in the number of threads you start), that you DON't know the difference between.
But I can see how you got that, (and everything else) wrong.

You must have been neglected as a child (last week), and starting thread after thread is the only way you can get attention.
Some here, have acquiesced to your "innocent" manipulation.
Hope that keeps you happy and occupied.
I think if someone would just pour mollasses and feathers on your hands, it would keep you occupied in a constructive way.
Now Go To Your Room ![/QUOTE]


He became a famous actor because he wanted lots of attention.
I will accuse you of cruel and unusual child abuse if you think
tar and feathering me is going to help. Yes, Daddy.

[Hosshead]

He became a famous actor because he wanted lots of attention.
I will accuse you of cruel and unusual child abuse if you think
tar and feathering me is going to help. Yes, Daddy.
You talk'in To Me ?