Anybody see a Trend?

[hcap]

http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com/files/pollkatzmainGRAPHICS_8911_image001.gif


Yep.

Did I hear some one say "political capital"?

[kenwoodallpromos]

Back to where he was when he took office! Of course war = Pres support. All presidents were aware of this. I assume if we get out prior to 09 he will be popular again. Makes it sort of a popularity contest, eh?

[JPinMaryland]

I hear what you are saying. The only real poll that matters was on Nov 2 last year. NOw that the election is over we get tons more polls. The other pt is that they couldnt accurately predict the election could they ? Most polls were in the ball park but I think maybe one actually got the actual %.

I guess it does matter, eventually people will go to the polls again but there's alot of time in between.

[46zilzal]

It won't get any better for the rutabaga

[Lefty]

46, i for one am damned tired of your disrespect for the President; especially when you're a Canadian and have no say in our elections.
This Pres about doing what he thinks is right and to hell with the polls. He'll continue in that vein. The poll numbers are caused by the constant barrage of
the left wing and the left wing press. But who cares? He does what he thinks is right for this country.

[PaceAdvantage]

I see a trend. Too many "Bush approval rating" and "DWL sucks" posts on this board. It's getting boring....

Maybe things will spice up when the impeachment hearings start....WHAT'S THAT? There won't be any impeachment hearings??? Come on, LET'S GO ALREADY! Grow some balls and set the country straight!

It's the opposition's patriotic duty to correct what is wrong in this country, unless you're just blowing smoke up our collective asses....


PS. Consumer confidence is on the rise....how is that possible?

[46zilzal]

46, i for one am damned tired of your disrespect for the President; especially when you're a Canadian and have no say in our elections.

For the UMPTEENTH time::: this RUTABAGA is the president of MY country. I was BORN and raised in the USA, and NEVER thought I would see the day that ANYONE would rival Milhous Nixon for being a BIGGER IDIOT!!! As long as he acts like he does, I will continue to make comments about him, exactly in the same way.

...you don't read too well do you?

[46zilzal]

I see a trend. Too many "Bush approval rating" and "DWL sucks" posts on this board. It's getting boring....


the truth hurts??

[46zilzal]

Hours before Bush was to speak, two U.S. soldiers were killed in separate suicide car bomb attacks on patrols.

Their deaths brought to 885 the number of U.S. troops killed in Iraq in the year since sovereignty was granted, more than the 856 who died in the 15 months of the U.S.-led invasion and formal occupation that preceded it.

[PaceAdvantage]

the truth hurts??

No. You're boring. There is a difference.

What the hell do I care if Bush's approval rating is in the toilet? It doesn't matter to me one bit. Approval ratings mean squat. As do exit polls.

And as for DWL, he doesn't effect my life one way or the other in any serious or meaningful way...just more banter on a message board...

So, no, the truth doesn't hurt, especially your version of the truth....but it is boring when repeated like clock work every other day....

[Bobby]

PA yes, everyone needs to come up with something new to bitch about. DWL - god have we beat that horse down to the bones. I will call a truce and not mention his name provided that Going Wild is NOT in the Haskell &/or Travers.

Bush - he acts/talks like he's stupid. So no passing on him.

[Lefty]

46, ok, you were born in U.S.A. You just don't get that this war is taking it to the enemy and is saving lives and securing freedoms. I know, you're a lib and libs don't get it about war. Well, FDR did, but he wasn't the kind of lib we have today. When the elections were held in Iraq last yr all the libs said it wouldn't happen. That was a yr ago. The truth is we're thinning the terrorists and showing them we won't run and leave Iraq unprotected. Iraq is the key to our and the world's future freedom.
If you don't like Bush, fine, but he's still the Pres and if you persist in your name calling, then, and I hate to resort to it, but you may find the idiot in your mirror.
Look over the last several yrs and you'll see the libs have been consistently wrong about everything. They were wrong about Reagan and his methods for dealing with Russia, and they're wrong about Iraq. They and the lib media in this country, by constantly trying to ubdermine this Pres are giving the enemy hope. The enemy would like nothing better than for us to get out of Iraq now. It's time for the Dems to quit thinking about how to regain power and stop undermining the war effort.

[46zilzal]

I could yell everyday, every hour and use expletive deleteds to the cows came home about the rutabaga and it would UNDERMINE NOTHING...Opinions don't do a thing.

Must have been watch FOX too much: they are all the time preaching how anyone against the war is somehow helping the "Terrists" as the rutabaga calls them.

[Lefty]

45, as long as the dems in power and the media undermines this pres and the war effort then it gives the terrorists hope.
If you think the enemy doesn't moniter our media and the polls created by them and take hope and comfort from them, then you're the one with the vegetable brain.

[NoDayJob]

I could yell everyday, every hour and use expletive deleteds to the cows came home about the rutabaga and it would UNDERMINE NOTHING...Opinions don't do a thing.

Must have been watch FOX too much: they are all the time preaching how anyone against the war is somehow helping the "Terrists" as the rutabaga calls them.

:lol: Suggestion: Join the Hillary Clinton for President campaign so the other side of the isle can bitch! Hooha! Mebee the time has come for a 3rd party, hmmmm? Throw all the bums out, I say! :lol:

NDJ

[kenwoodallpromos]

I have already posted the truce from 1991 info on this forum to show Iraq's violations- now, as point of reference, I post this concerning US "invasion":
In 1961, independent Kuwait was invaded illegally by Iraq, and British defended Kuwait.
Iraq's invading and scuding neighbors is nothing new- it was a continuation of the violence a tyranny Iraq has long produced until we took out Hussein.

[hcap]

TV is the ultimate reality??
Another trend...

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=televisionNews&storyID=8933570

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - President Bush's latest address to the nation, urging Americans to stand firm in Iraq, drew the smallest TV audience of his tenure, Nielsen Media Research reported on Wednesday.

[PaceAdvantage]

TV is the ultimate reality??
Another trend...

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=televisionNews&storyID=8933570

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - President Bush's latest address to the nation, urging Americans to stand firm in Iraq, drew the smallest TV audience of his tenure, Nielsen Media Research reported on Wednesday.

This could be spun in many different ways.....if Iraq is such a concern to the American people, why didn't more tune in?

[46zilzal]

This could be spun in many different ways.....if Iraq is such a concern to the American people, why didn't more tune in?
or they were expecting the SAME OLD DOUBLESPEAK

[Lefty]

46, lol. Bush the one Pres that's speaks the same msg everytime; unlike any DEm I know of. Course you libs so damned used to the old changing msg, you expect from everyone and actually get riled when this guy just speaks his mind, does what's right and stays on msg.

[46zilzal]

46, lol. Bush the one Pres that's speaks the same msg everytime; .
that's RIGIDITY for you....I'm right, REGARDLESS OF THE FACTS

[46zilzal]

Mood of Anxiety Engulfs Afghans as Violence Rises

By Carlotta Gall / New York Times

KABUL, Afghanistan, June 29 - The loss of a military helicopter with 17 Americans aboard in eastern Afghanistan on Tuesday comes at a time of growing insecurity here. For the first time since the United States overthrew the Taliban government three and a half years ago, Afghans say they are feeling uneasy about the future.

Violence has increased sharply in recent months, with a resurgent Taliban movement mounting daily attacks in southern Afghanistan, gangs kidnapping foreigners here in the capital and radical Islamists orchestrating violent demonstrations against the government and foreign-financed organizations.

[Lefty]

46, seems like the taliban geetting desperate to me. What would you do? Cut and run? Ask to be friends? Give a timetable for leaving Iraq and Afghanistan so the enemy can lay low and win after we leave? Libs complain, piss and moan, but have no solutions. The Dem party by undermining this pres at every turn is giving aid and comfort to our enemies and demoralizes our own troops. Shame on them and the sheep that follow. We're in a war for our freedom whether you realize it or not. Quitting is not an oprion.

[46zilzal]

46, seems like the taliban geetting desperate to me. What would you do? Cut and run?
Didn't Napleon have a similar problem: war on two fronts and not enough to cover either?

Terrorists have NO country what George has are countries serving as WHIPPING boys for the frustration of not finding the real guys

[Lefty]

46, you avoided the question by asking another question. What's the solution? You are quick to stick your nose in, so what would ya dihe dems have no solution but to try and demoralize our troops and our citizens.
The terrorists are out to kill us. We are fighting them. That's the bottom line.

[46zilzal]

46, you avoided the question by asking another question. What's the solution? You are quick to stick your nose in, so what would ya dihe dems have no solution but to try and demoralize our troops and our citizens.
The terrorists are out to kill us. We are fighting them
okay why don't you join them as the rank and file are figuring it ....NO end in site, support disappearing........

I have NO interest in wars..you keep pushing your point of view..It will have just as much bearing on the outcome as what flavor you pick at the ice cream parlor.

[Lefty]

The statement you have no interest in wars is outright laughable. When the terrorists come for you, you can't opt out. If we didn't engage in this war it would be worse. The terrorists would be emboldened to come back to the U.S.A. Maybe even Canada. Smoke your peace pipe, This pres will save your butt too.

[JPinMaryland]

Didn't Napleon have a similar problem: war on two fronts and not enough to cover either?

welll thats an interesting conclusion, eventuallly yes there was an invasion of the south of France by Wellington but I think it would be overgeneraizing, what really did Napoleon in in 1814 was more or less over extension. Namely the Russian campaign of 1812 which of course was disastrous. The war in Spain was always a sideshow and that was a reflection of the British strategy which was really to nibble around the edges of a war on the continent.


So yes eventually Wellington broke through the barrier of the Pyrenees but only after the allies had thrown Nap out of Germany in 1813 and mounted their own invasion of France. So it was more on account of the Germans, Austrians and Russians than what was happening in Spain. I would guess there were far more men involved in these operations than in Spain. The battle of Nation in the fall of 1813 was the largest land battle of the conflict, if I recall correctly. These armies far outnumbered Wellington's.

[46zilzal]

The statement you have no interest in wars is outright laughable. When the terrorists come for you, you can't opt out.
I would doubt seriously they would have ANY interest in me The rutabaga will only save his RICH buddies by making them RICHER

[Lefty]

46, you write words but say absolutely nothing.

[46zilzal]

What am I to say other than BOTH wars are CRAP? No people from either country had anything to do with the attacks of 9/11 as they were all Saudi's and Egyptians. Rutaga is in bed with the Saudi's (remember Bandar Bush?) and the folks responsilble are STILL OUT THERE. The whole mess is a sham


Heard one over and over the comparison that if the rutabaga were prez in 1941 he would have attacked China

[Lefty]

How can you libs be so wrong so often. It's been proven, but guess you refuse to see the truth. Hang on to your head, pal.
Terrorists were training in Iraq before 9-11. Saddam ignored 17 U.N. resolutions. Yada, yada Yada.
We're there, get over it, ans quit being a part of the problem.

[46zilzal]

How can you libs be so wrong so often. It's been proven, but guess you refuse to see the truth. Hang on to your head, pal.
Terrorists were training in Iraq before 9-11. Saddam ignored 17 U.N. resolutions.
We're there, get over it, and quit being a part of the problem.

Dissent is not part of ANY PROBLEM....Whipping boys on the agenda of the NEOCON......http://www.newamericancentury.org/


Terrorists are in training ALL OVER THE WORLD....... EVERYWHERE

[Lefty]

46, you are disgusting and all you can do is blabber the standard liberal line. Get an orig thght, if you have one. Wouldn't surprise me if you turned out to be one of the Vietnam deserters to Canada. Maybe not, but wouldn't surprise me.

[PaceAdvantage]

Terrorists are in training ALL OVER THE WORLD....... EVERYWHERE

Kind of like the bogeyman, eh? Actually, you sound just like the Bush administration when you say something like this....you aren't just trying to scare us for political reasons now, are you?

I know I'm tempting fate by asking this question, but after your statement above, it just begs to be asked:

How come all these terrorists (EVERYWHERE), and so far, in almost 4 years since 9/11, they haven't even brought down a single airliner over US soil (if only to keep their terrorism chops sharp)????

Is it kind of like the impeachment thing? Always thrown into the air, but never coming to fruition?

And I'm not stupid enough to think that a terrorist event will never happen again in the US. I know it's only a matter of time, no matter who is President, or what our current political status is around the world....

[PaceAdvantage]

The rutabaga will only save his RICH buddies by making them RICHER

Is it always about class warfare with you guys?

[Lefty]

When we have brave volunteers giving their lives in a foreign country for the dems to constantly berate the pres and for you sheep to follow is not legit dissent. It gives comfort and hope to the enemy and demoralizes our troops. If you're not with us, then you're the enemy and that goes for you, the Dems and all your liberal friends. YOU are the Rutabaga, no, make that a skunk cabbage, a rutabaga does have some value.

[46zilzal]

Stays right here... NO ONE OUTSIDE THIS BOARD SEES IT. The troops will contiue right along regardless of what EITHER of us, or anyone else here for that matter, SAYS.

[46zilzal]

How come all these terrorists (EVERYWHERE), and so far, in almost 4 years since 9/11, they haven't even brought down a single airliner over US soil (if only to keep their terrorism chops sharp)????

terrorist is a generic word (kind of like football player): in Sri Lanka, Northern Ireland, South America, Central America, Indonesia, hell, maybe even Lapland FOLKS who want radical changes in government via destructive attacks....whether they go after you me or the next guy doesn't differentiate HOW they go about it. Isn't it amamzing that when one mentions them that you guys all think they are OUT TO GET ONLY YOU!!

[46zilzal]

Operation PAPERCLIP
While other American agencies are hunting down Nazi war criminals for arrest, the U.S. intelligence community is smuggling them into America, unpunished, for their use against the Soviets. The most important of these is Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's master spy who had built up an intelligence network in the Soviet Union. With full U.S. blessing, he creates the "Gehlen Organization," a band of refugee Nazi spies who reactivate their networks in Russia. These include SS intelligence officers Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (who massacred Jews in the Holocaust), Klaus Barbie (the "Butcher of Lyon"), Otto von Bolschwing (the Holocaust mastermind who worked with Eichmann)
Italy
The CIA corrupts democratic elections in Italy, where Italian communists threaten to win the elections. The CIA buys votes, broadcasts propaganda, threatens and beats up opposition leaders, and infiltrates and disrupts their organizations. It works — the communists are defeated.
1953: Iran
CIA overthrows the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh in a military coup, after he threatened to nationalize British oil. The CIA replaces him with a dictator, the Shah of Iran, whose secret police, SAVAK, is as brutal as the Gestapo.
1954: Guatemala
CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owns stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years.
1956: Hungary
Radio Free Europe incites Hungary to revolt by broadcasting Khruschev's Secret Speech, in which he denounced Stalin. It also hints that American aid will help the Hungarians fight. This aid fails to materialize as Hungarians launch a doomed armed revolt, which only invites a major Soviet invasion. The conflict kills 7,000 Soviets and 30,000 Hungarians.
1959: Haiti
The U.S. military helps "Papa Doc" Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. He creates his own private police force, the "Tonton Macoutes," who terrorize the population with machetes. They will kill over 100,000 during the Duvalier family reign. The U.S. does not protest their dismal human rights record.
Dominican Republic
The CIA assassinates Rafael Trujillo, a murderous dictator Washington has supported since 1930. Trujillo's business interests have grown so large (about 60 percent of the economy) that they have begun competing with American business interests.
Ecuador
The CIA-backed military forces the democratically elected President Jose Velasco to resign. Vice President Carlos Arosemana replaces him; the CIA fills the now vacant vice presidency with its own man.
Congo (Zaire)
The CIA assassinates the democratically elected Patrice Lumumba. However, public support for Lumumba's politics runs so high that the CIA cannot clearly install his opponents in power. Four years of political turmoil follow.
Ecuador
A CIA-backed military coup overthrows President Arosemana, whose independent (not socialist) policies have become unacceptable to Washington. A military junta assumes command, cancels the 1964 elections, and begins abusing human rights.
1965: Indonesia
The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Sukarno with a military coup.
Greece
With the CIA's backing, the king removes George Papandreous as prime minister.
Congo (Zaire)
A CIA-backed military coup installs Mobutu Sese Seko as dictator. The hated and repressive Mobutu exploits his desperately poor country for billions.

STILL MORALLY wrong but less lives lost

[hcap]

So PA, you keep saying put up or shut up. RE: Impeachment.
Remember it took about 2 years after tricky dick was re-elected to boot him out. It's only been 7 months for flightsuitboy, and people are pissed. Other than the docile kool-aid drinkers and stepforders.

From Zogby

..President Bush’s televised address to the nation produced no noticeable bounce in his approval numbers, with his job approval rating slipping a point from a week ago, to 43%, in the latest Zogby International poll. And, in a sign of continuing polarization, more than two-in-five voters (42%) say they would favor impeachment proceedings if it is found the President misled the nation about his reasons for going to war with Iraq.

BTW,

"If you were convinced that Bill Clinton lied under oath or participated in attempts to get the woman (an employee who worked at the White House) to lie under oath, would you favor or oppose an effort to impeach Clinton and remove him from office?"

Yes, impeach: 46%
No, don't impeach: 46%

- Gallup, January 1998

[hcap]

BTW, now that Time is going to release Coopers' notes, Plamegate will be back, and the WH is going to twist in the wind a wee bit more.

[Lefty]

46sc, what YOU and too many like you don't get is not that "thay are out to get only me" THEY ARE OUT TO GET US ALL. You libs better wake up.
As far as what's on this board stays here is not neccessarily true. I blve this board is a microcosm of what goes on in this and your country. The more you undermine, the more it spreads with the help of the lib media and the Dems fueling the fire, the more it helps the terrorists.

[46zilzal]

BANANA REPUBLICANS by Rampton and Stauber has this scenario described to a "T" and anyone with an independent mindset can figure out that it is b.s.

[Buckeye]

The "trend" is you get to vote next time.

I stress the 'next time' :)

[Lefty]

ok, 46sc, i give yiou the last word. Your brain is mushed.

[46zilzal]

out of rational come backs..out comes the name calling....like debating in the schoolyard many years ago.

[46zilzal]

"With the deluge of negative news that we get daily, it's just amazing to me that anybody would want to sign up," said Sen. Pat Roberts, a Kansas Republican.

BIG SURPISE!!!

[Tom]

Stays right here... NO ONE OUTSIDE THIS BOARD SEES IT. The troops will contiue right along regardless of what EITHER of us, or anyone else here for that matter, SAYS.

And yet you keep saying it.
Is that the TREND this thread is about? Continual whinning increasing? :lol:

[Lefty]

46sc, you have the temerity to call the President a rutabaga and YOU'RE complaining about name calling. I laugh at the silly liberal!

[Lefty]

Why would anyone want to join the military these days? Same reason Pat Tillman did, it's called Patriotism!

[46zilzal]

Why would anyone want to join the military these days? Same reason Pat Tillman did, it's called Patriotism!

what a total CROCK of crap.


I call the son of a Bush a rutabaga becuase he acts like one:in a vegetative state!

[Lefty]

45skunkcabbage, Patriotism is crap? Tell that to the founding fathers.
As long as you call the Pres a rutabaga I will proceed to call you 46skunkcabbage, there ya go...

[46zilzal]

that's a good one

[ElKabong]

YOU are the Rutabaga, .


More like '4.6 Nutabaga'. He's a one trick pony.

With all this talk of polls (and the "importance" of them) you'd think you'd get stopped on every street corner with all the polling data available. Not once in 10 yrs have I been asked to participate.

I just vote and listen to Libs whine. I'm funny that way........

[hcap]

I said earlierBTW, now that Time is going to release Coopers' notes, Plamegate will be back, and the WH is going to twist in the wind a wee bit more.Ok, it appears that the turdblossom himself is the leaker. Not conclusive but a good possibility. For those that are not familiar with "Turdblossom", it is mr preznits nick for karl rove. Heh heh, heh.

http://news.baou.com/main.php?action=recent&rid=20318

Analyst: Cooper Documents Reveal Karl Rove As Source
Time disclosure puts ‘turd blossom’ in the frame
by OfficialWire NewsDesk

http://www.southerner.net/blog/karl.jpg

..WASHINGTON, D.C. -- (OfficialWire) -- 07/02/05 -- According to an article published Friday by Editor & Publisher, Assistant to the President, Deputy Chief of Staff and Senior Advisor Karl Rove (shown here) is the confidential source who outed Valerie Plame to reporters as a CIA operative.


Anyone remember what our fearless leedur had to say back in Oct '03?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/08/national/main577086.shtml

Bush: Leaker Might Elude Detection

WASHINGTON, Oct. 7, 2003

"This is a town where a lot of people leak, and I've constantly expressed my displeasure with leaks, particularly of classified information," Mr. Bush said. "I hope we can get this investigation done in a thorough way, as quickly as possible.

..I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration official," Mr. Bush said. "I don't have any idea. I'd like to. I want to know the truth."

As would we mr. bush

[hcap]

(Excerpted from Newsday (New York), Thursday, June 3, 2004)

Bush May Seek Lawyer in Leaking of Agent's Name

The fact that Bush is considering hiring an outside lawyer to represent him does not necessarily suggest he might become a subject of the investigation, said St. Johns University law professor John Barrett, who worked as a prosecutor on the 1980s Iran-Contra investigation.

"It doesn't mean anything about the president being in trouble or having something to hide or being a subject of the investigation," Barrett said.

But it is not surprising that Fitzgerald might want to talk to Bush as a witness, said Barrett and Kathleen Clark, a law professor at Washington University in St. Louis who has written extensively about special prosecutor investigations of government officials.

"If it was one of his aides [who leaked Plame's name], did one of the aides tell him about it?" Clark said in explaining possible questions that might be asked of Bush. "Does he have some information that could shed light on who did it? Even if he didn't know who did it, he might have information that could shed light on who did it given the totality of what the prosecutor knows."

BTW, The probe is being handled by Chicago U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, appointed after Attorney General John Ashcroft stepped aside from case because of his political ties to the White House.

BTW, THE preznit may need an outside attorney to maintain Attorney-Client Privilege

[hcap]

Plamegate is trending.
Rove is the preznits "brain". Could it be he will take the knife?
Will anybody believe bush was unaware"?
What did da preznit know? And when did he know it?

If this trend continues maybe...

http://www.needlenose.com/i/swopa/RoveMarch.jpg

Ain't photoshop grand?

[hcap]

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

"Bush administration officials are probably having second thoughts about their decision to play hardball with former US Ambassador Joseph Wilson. Joe Wilson is a contender. When you play hardball with Joe, you better be prepared to deal with some serious rebound.

After Wilson wrote a critically timed New York Times essay exposing as false George W. Bush's claim that Iraq had purchased uranium from Niger, high officials in the White House contacted several Washington reporters and leaked the news that Wilson's wife was a CIA agent.

Wilson isn't waiting for George W. Bush to hand over the perp. In mid-October, the former ambassador began passing copies of an embarrassing internal report to reporters across the US. "

The truth, or
Or simply "Wilsons' revenge"

[Kreed]

Great Photo-Art & in keeping w/ 43's approach to InfoTruth. That guy is
a menace & UGLY too, but where's the leg shackles?

[PaceAdvantage]

Great Photo-Art & in keeping w/ 43's approach to InfoTruth. That guy is
a menace & UGLY too, but where's the leg shackles?

Aww Kreed, all this judgemental stuff doesn't really gel with your usual ZEN self....