Dean: White Christian Party remark

[Bobby]

About time to get rid of this loon. Always someone from the Northeast. It was Kerry, now Dean. That's why Dems can't win.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/08/dean.gop.ap/index.html

[ElKabong]

Whatta maroon....

----Dean noted that he, too, is a white Christian.

Dean told a forum of journalists and minority leaders Monday that Republicans are "not very friendly to different kinds of people, they are a pretty monolithic party ... it's pretty much a white, Christian party."---snip


This is the same guy that didn't have a single Black or Hispanic on his cabinet in Vermont, never recruited for qualified minorities. Now he's spouting this nonsense. :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

Yup, President Bush's cabinet has been filled with nothing but White folk....LOL

[Bobby]

This is the same guy that didn't have a single Black or Hispanic on his cabinet in Vermont, never recruited for qualified minorities. :lol:

No, he's hired some. They rake his yard. :D

No, seriously. Not very many "colored" folk in Vermont.

[lsbets]

Vermont is about the whitest state in the nation, so his cabinet back there doesn't really matter.

What I find interesting is some prominent Dems who seem to be distacing themselves from him, specifically Joe Biden who said Dean does not speak for most Dems. I guess that's true. He only speaks for the ones who bought him - George Soros and move on (or used by the billionairre to buy a party.org, but I think thats too long of a name for a web site).

[Dave Schwartz]

My favorite quote from the MSNBC version of the story:

Asked about it on the “Fox & Friends” show, GOP Party Chairman Ken Mehlman joked that “a lot of folks who attended my bar mitzvah would be surprised” he heads a Christian party.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8142785/

[ElKabong]

Vermont is about the whitest state in the nation, so his cabinet back there doesn't really matter.



I don't care if he was the dogcatcher in lilly white British Columbia, if his record is absent of minorities that HE personally recruited and hired, he has no place to rail on an administration with a good track record on finding qualified minorities to hold down positions of tremendous responsibilities.

[lsbets]

Elk, there are certain facts:

First fact: Bush has the most racially diverse cabinet ever. He has appointed more minorities and women to positions of power than any other President.

Second fact: Vermont is lilly white. So, if the governor recruits people from in state for his cabinet (which should be the way it is) then his cabinet will probably be lilly white. It doesn't mean a thing.

Now, as far as Dean't recent comments, I think the Vermont Whoop or whatever the hell they call it, might have sent him over the edge, because he is acting like a man who has really lost it. I bet he doesn't last 6 months unless they muzzle him.

[ElKabong]

Lsbets,

before you went to grade school (1975 i blve) , we had Earl Butts say the phrase "You don't playa the game, you don't makea the rules" to the Pope on birth control issues. That phrase firmly applies to Dean when it comes to minorities in politics.

jmho....I kinda see Dean there to stir up manure, and little else. The liberal agenda is dead. The dems control nothing. They have no viable prez candidate that remotely resembles their liberal agenda. So they need a hatchetman to whack at the repubs. That's what Dean is doing & nothing more.

If the Dem powerbrokers didn't approve of his demeanor they'd get rid of him. I think you're right, in 6 months he'll exit.... and a kinder gentler DNC head will appear to appeal to the more moderate voter in 2006 (with Hillary in mind for their candidate in 08).

[NoDayJob]

The "dummie" pile. Once we figure out how to burn them, the price of oil will go down to $0.50 a bbl. :D

NDJ

[kenwoodallpromos]

In response to Dean's namecalling, President Clinton last night said Republicans are a lot worse(better?) at it and the Demos should be nice.

[ElKabong]

Now, as far as Dean't recent comments, I think the Vermont Whoop or whatever the hell they call it, might have sent him over the edge, because he is acting like a man who has really lost it. I bet he doesn't last 6 months unless they muzzle him.


Just heard the audio clips, they're even more offensive with his voice inflection. You're right. He's lost it.

No way he keeps his job, imo. He's an embarassment.

[lsbets]

He'll be around for a few more months. Soros wants to get the base fired up with the rhetoric, then they can him and move to the center. I say around Jan 06, so the base is fired up for the mid terms and the general public forgets about him.

[lsbets]

Okay, I just heard the audio. I wonder if he goes to the same bars Ted goes to?

I remember when he was picked a lot of us said he would be the best thing to happen to the Republican Party - its looking like we were right.

[Tom]

Dean: "We're off to ignorance, then we're on to stupidity, and then bigotry, and then we're going to burn a cross in dreamland, and then .....HeeeeeeYaaaa!

[lsbets]

Then there's this from the always reliable for a good laugh Charlie Rangel talking about the war in Iraq:


"It's the biggest fraud ever committed on the people of this country," Rangel told WWRL Radio's Steve Malzberg and Karen Hunter. "This is just as bad as six million Jews being killed. The whole world knew it and they were quiet about it, because it wasn't their ox that was being gored."


Umm, Chuck, lets talk for a second - 6 million Jews gassed to death along with 6 million aditional undersirables. Okay, that's bad. 26 million people freed from a tyrant who killed at the very least hundreds of thousands of his own people, sometimes using - gas. Freeing them is a good thing.

At the very least his remark is offensive to all those who died in the Holocaust and to those who survived the Holocaust. Is it a liberal disease to shoot oneself in the foot, because these guys are getting very, very good at it.

[Tom]

Charlie Rangle is the biggest idiot ever committed on the people of this country.

[Suff]

77% of Bush's Voters were White. 82% of that 77% describe themselves Chrsitian. Evangelicals make up 23% of America, but constitute 45% of Bush's Vote.

Non-White Males Voted Kerry 65% to 35%

Non-White Females Voted Kerry 75% to 25%


Deans Right.




Charlie Rangle? You must of missed them slide through another 100 Billion for the WOT this week? Done quietly. Hey for $400 Billion can I ask for better results? How many GI's died today? 3 years into this? Its hard work....we're making progress? over and over and over.....while the border leaks...and people die. Its mind boggling to hear "we're better off without Saddam"... because he was only in Power as long as he was because WE ARMED HIM!!
And the weapons he used on Iran , and Kuwait, and his own people were sold to him by US Corporations, with a complicit US GOVT.

Come on, I love you guys, and I enjoy talking ponys and politics with you, but can we get serious. If You extract the Blue State Numbers... Bush's vote is atronomically weighted WHITE and CHRISTIAN. The Republican party is the CHRISTIAN WHITE PARTY....(predominately)... Fact.

[lsbets]

Suff, if I didn't know people who have met you, I would bet you were Howard Dean's brother with some of your rants.

I'll send Condoleeza Rice a letter letting her know she's white. I'm sure she'll be surprised. I'll send another letter to Paul Wolfowitz telling him he's Christian. He'll probably be surprised too.

Face it Suff - Dean's remark was just plain offensive, and so was Rangel's. If you have to dig to extract what they meant to say, than its pretty obvious they f***** up. The scary thing is people defend their stupidity.

[Tom]

What is wrong with being white and Christian? Pretty successful subset of people over the years....built this country up from nothing to the major worlk power in a short time frame. During that same period, what great society's arpang up from those aleready well established in South America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East? Thousands of years of a head start and along comes the white Christians and the world changes forever - technology blooms. Those damn slaggards. We even had a civil war, ended it, got back togeteher and moved ahead in 5 years. Europe, Middle East, Asia.....been fighting each other since they climebed down from the tress, started throwing rocks at each other while thier knuckles were still dragging. And still at it today.

[Suff]

lol

I'm stating the facts? The numbers. Whats the problem? I did'nt imply it was bad or wrong... The country votes.. If people choose to come together and use the Power of the Vote... GREAT! Thats America.

I only give you the Numbers. Not twisted.. Not micro... the MACRO numbers. They are clear?


You were offended? why? Your white, Your Christian, and You voted for Bush and your the key demographic in that Party? Your offended by that?


Hey.. I thought you guys hated PC speech? Dean's Un-PC... I thought you liked that?

[lsbets]

Suff - I don't fit Dean's demographic description, its up to you to figure out how. 90% of blacks voted for Kerry. If anyone called the Dems the Black Party they'd be run out of town for being racist. You basically said that the 35-40% who voted for Bush and don't fit Deans description don't matter. He was wrong, why is it so hard for you to admit it? Or are you the guy who drives him and Teddy to the bar ever since Teddy decided drinking and driving wasn't a good thing for him to do?

[Suff]

Suff - I don't fit Dean's demographic description, its up to you to figure out how. 90% of blacks voted for Kerry. If anyone called the Dems the Black Party they'd be run out of town for being racist. You basically said that the 35-40% who voted for Bush and don't fit Deans description don't matter. He was wrong, why is it so hard for you to admit it? Or are you the guy who drives him and Teddy to the bar ever since Teddy decided drinking and driving wasn't a good thing for him to do?

God lines up a 100 men... ask's each one.. Do you want to be white or black in America? How many blacks would we have? 1? 2? Probably none.

Its a completely different prism to equate the verbage. And you know that. But you'd like to think its the same because it somehow brings you comfort.

A lie would have no sense unless the truth were felt dangerous.
Alfred Adler

[lsbets]

Suff, are you protesting the Supreme's marijuana decision tonight?

[Suff]

Suff, are you protesting the Supreme's marijuana decision tonight?

No.. But this weekend I will be practicing some civil disobedience. Going down to see the Belmont with a small sack of whacky weed.

I'm a realist. Race comparisons have different connotations, and consequences.

Hence, el presidente Fox's comment last week..

Jobs..."even" the blacks don't want. Meaning: The jobs just are not bad... they are so bad even blacks don't want them. I mean a Job just sucks if a Honky don't want it. But if a Black Guy don't want it....it must mean it really sucks.. lol. I knew what he meant..... so did you.

So it is not the same when Race comparisons are made politically. Different worlds...different meanings. We all know that.

Dean's a bumble brain... He did'nt articulate the facts properly. However, Would you like me to list 100 Bush'isms that you easily overlook because he's your guy? When Bush talks.....many Americans Cringe. But you love him...

Maybe because he's white?.... :lol: j/k. But serious. When Bush goes overseas and starts talking....... I blush with shame.

I saw him yesterday and today. He was asked about the Downey Street Memo....as was Blair. Thats another issue you keep trying to bury... But it isn't going away. The fact that the WH press Corp, and the international Press corp are asking about it should be enough for you to listen.

I listened..... he's a Turkey. Gobble Gobble what? wtf did he just say? Seriously... he makes no sense and has deep deep difficulty putting togther three sentences.

I'm no better...but I'm not the Pres.

[lsbets]

Yeah, but he got better grades than your man. :lol:

Was it so hard for you to say Dean f-d up (okay, you almost said that)?

I'm not trying to bury the "Memo". The Downing Street Memo is nothing. It is proof of nothing at all, it is one man's opinion. It hardly rises to the level of what you call proof.

I never said I love Bush - I said I liked him better than Kerry, and I have always said that I find most of the Bush hating to be irrational and ridiculous. Which it is. And yeah, Bush misspeaks all the time - but Dean didn't misspeak. He meant it when he said he hated Republicans, he meant it when he said most Republicans never worked an honest day in their lives, and he meant it when he said all Republicans look alike and its an all white party. He didn't say mostly, he said all. Honestly, ask yourself - is that guy suitable to lead the once great Democratic Party? Hardly. But, his chairmanship was bought and paid for by the radical interests who have taken over the party and guys like you, who were once mainstream in that party, have no say anymore. When are you going to realize the Dem Party of today is not the one you fell in love with? They left you. They left you for $$$$$$$, big, huge dollars. And as long as they do what they're told, they get those dollars. And if that means selling out the guys in the Unions like you who supported them for so long, they don't care. Because they have you fooled. You think they still care about you. They don't. You say you're a realist, then you need to realize you've been dumped.

[PaceAdvantage]

77% of Bush's Voters were White. 82% of that 77% describe themselves Chrsitian. Evangelicals make up 23% of America, but constitute 45% of Bush's Vote.

Is this fun with stats night Suff? 70% of America IS White! What percentage of Kerry Voters were white?

Those on the left are as FAR GONE as those on the right are accused of being, but for some reason, they just can't see it....

Reading through this thread has saddened me....I'm sad that people are this completely removed from reality and fairness....

It's bizarre how far some will go to create a lie....

[NoDayJob]

Charlie Rangle is the biggest idiot ever committed on the people of this country.

:D Yikes, another "dummie" for the pile. :D

NDJ

[so.cal.fan]

Hmmmm, I'm not a Christian,I am white and I'm also a Democrat.
I didn't vote for John Kerry, nor would I ever vote for Howard Dean.
When I cast my vote in the Calif. Dem. primary, I cast it for Sen. Lieberman, a white Jew. More importantly, a man of integrity and common sense.
Howard Dean is a poor choice for head of the DNC, in my opinion.
It's difficult to support such a lunatic.
We need sensible Democrats! Only then will they get my vote AND my money back.

[Bobby]

yea, the dems act like they don't want to win anything, that they've given up or something. They got Kerry as the presidential nominee. Dean as the party bulldog and no real bright prospects in the future. Kinda bleak.

[kenwoodallpromos]

Between Dean's, Clinton's. and Schumer's remarks (about the Demos goal of a "Socialist Revolution") I am very tempted to start voting Republican. Until a 3rd party gets in, the Demos cannot be trusted with power.

[so.cal.fan]

I think the Dems do have good people in the party, they just have pushed them aside. The party has been hijacked by radicals.

[Secretariat]

I think the Dems do have good people in the party, they just have pushed them aside. The party has been hijacked by radicals.

lol...The Dem Party's been hijacked by radicals? You are kidding. Have you looked in the WH lately?

[ElKabong]

lol...The Dem Party's been hijacked by radicals? You are kidding. Have you looked in the WH lately?

She didn't comment on the White House, did she? No, she didn't. The comment was about the Dem party, and many agree with her assessment (including Dems that I know).

Why can't you take in SCF's comments with respect? The comments weren't 'in your face' type of comments.

[Tom]

Republican party most valuable player award goes to.........Screamin' Dean! :lol:


Howie ranks right there next to explsive diarhea as pleasant things to enjoy!

[Suff]

Yeah, but he got better grades than your man. :lol:

.

My Man? My man is Ralph Nader. I'd take up arms to get him in the White House.... :jump:

I want to be a sniper. Special Op's. First assignment?

Operation lil Red Wagon.

Target: GM CEO Rick Wagoneer.

[lsbets]

How much of a raise are the CEO at GM and the union boss at the UAW getting for doing such a fine job of ruining the American auto industry?

[Suff]

[QUOTE]What percentage of Kerry Voters were white?
Kerry Black and White
21%. Among white evangelical Christians.

Among all White Protestants ....33%.

Among Black Protestants 86%.

should I go on?

Thats right.. Bush beat Kerry 79 to 21 among white evangelicals. But Kerry took Bush to town with Black Protestants...86 to 13. You don't see an astronomical racial divide there? Would you still like to make the argument that Bush's voting Bloc is diverse? Lol. Your a wierd guy. I could care less what you believe. I just put the numbers up and state my position. If you look at these numbers and tell yourself the Republican Voting Bloc is diverse.... Thats on you my friend.

You either believe Blacks are inherently unequal, or they're getting stiffed in America. Thats why I used the Alfred Adler Quote.

A lie would have no sense unless the truth were felt dangerous.
Alfred Adler

The lie is that America means Equal Justice and Opportunity for all. It has to make sense to Conservatives... because the truth is Dangerous.

And the even bigger lie is that America is a country of the People , by the people for the people....
America is a Country of Multi-National Corporations, for Multinational Corporations....and ultimately for Global dominance.

If you think FDR's New deal was bad for America, wait till you get a hold of the New World Order. That'll really spread you wide.


It's bizarre how far some will go to create a lie....[/

The numbers I gave you a
I Flicked off the top of my head... I did'nt go far to explain it to you. $100 Bucks for you at Saratoga to show me the lie? Wheres the lie? No Lie. ..and No problem. I only put up the Numbers.

"LAW of the LAND".

Never! Under any circumstances....at any point, nor under any situation, no matter what the circumctances does a White man play the Victim. Never!
Most Minorities would give thier LEFT ARM to be white....literally. My race cannot be insulted.

[Suff]

How much of a raise are the CEO at GM and the union boss at the UAW getting for doing such a fine job of ruining the American auto industry?


Never believe the HYPE... its all a con job. Makin money...at any cost.

The GM situation I'm still sifting through. But here's what I'm telling you...

UNited Pension defaults? They're reneging on a deal to Give the workers thier money. Bankrupty Judge rewrote the law for them... Bush sits quietly.


Read this story from the Wall Street Journal Today
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0,,SB111810394908752435,00.html?mod=todays_free_fe ature

United is sitting on 100's of gates they are not using. They could sell them tommorrow to pay the Workers what they owe them. But here's the worse issue....and it relates to the other thread about unregulated Commerce

United Airlines is only sitting on these Gates so Low Cost Carriers cannot use them. Thereby providing us.. The consumer with access to the benefits of free market. This is why you need regulation. YOU cannot stiff workers while sitting on unsued profitbale assets, who's only purpose is to block competition...

LOS ANGELES -- A Hudson News Co. store at Terminal 8 in Los Angeles International airport has closed up shop. Left behind on its dusty shelves: five unsold plastic models of United Airlines' "Ted" airplanes.

That's particularly ironic, since it's the absence of real United airplanes that has left Terminal 8 virtually vacant at peak hours of the day.

While UAL Corp.'s United has canceled pensions, slashed flights and negotiated sizable pay and benefit cuts from employees amid its years-long reorganization under bankruptcy law, the airline has yet to take the same cost-cutting vigor to shedding the little-used airport gates it controls. Indeed, in Los Angeles and Denver -- both hubs for United -- the carrier today has all the look of classic gate-hoarding to stave off low-fare airline competition.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0,,SB111810394908752435,00.html?mod=todays_free_fe ature

[lsbets]

Suff, if you don't think the union leadership has worked hand in hand with the ceo's stiffing the workers, than you are the most naive man alive. Workers get laid off and union bosses get rich with the ceo's. Wake up to that side of reality, you're only seeing half the picture.

[Suff]

Suff, if you don't think the union leadership has worked hand in hand with the ceo's stiffing the workers, than you are the most naive man alive. Workers get laid off and union bosses get rich with the ceo's. Wake up to that side of reality, you're only seeing half the picture.


Union Leaders are elected, CEO's are not.

When Chrysler wrung mid-contract cutbacks from the UAW in 1981, the company was strapped. Chrysler (DCX ) canceled its dividend, top execs took a 10% pay cut, and then-Chairman Lee A. Iacocca worked for a dollar that year. Today, both GM and Ford still pay a dividend, and GM CEO G. Richard Wagoner Jr. got a $2.5 million bonus for 2004 -- on top of his $2.2 million in salary. Both companies also have huge cash hoards -- $20 billion at GM and $23 billion at Ford. Until the companies are close to bankruptcy, union leaders see no reason to give up benefits.

[lsbets]

Union Leaders are elected, CEO's are not.

When Chrysler wrung mid-contract cutbacks from the UAW in 1981, the company was strapped. Chrysler (DCX ) canceled its dividend, top execs took a 10% pay cut, and then-Chairman Lee A. Iacocca worked for a dollar that year. Today, both GM and Ford still pay a dividend, and GM CEO G. Richard Wagoner Jr. got a $2.5 million bonus for 2004 -- on top of his $2.2 million in salary. Both companies also have huge cash hoards -- $20 billion at GM and $23 billion at Ford. Until the companies are close to bankruptcy, union leaders see no reason to give up benefits.


You don't get it. Union leaders are elected - that's a joke. CEOs are elected too. And the elections are just about as fair. Union leadership is just as corrupt as corporate leadership, and they laugh at guys like you who make them rich and defend them to the end.

You talk about the dangers of globalism and multinational corpororations, and you're right, but you don't see the danger that comes from "your side". The money that runs both parties wants to tear down borders and globalize. Sovereignty and security mean nothing to them. They have you played just right - you are so convinced that the big bad Republicans are the ones out to get you, you don't see that they are taking it all right out from under your nose. As long as they keep guys like you looking to the right and guys like Lefty looking to the left, we'll never have a third party stand up and make an impact. Its a game to them, and they are on the same team. Wake up - take a cold, hard look at it. The party of Reagan is dead, but so is the party of Kennedy. I don't even think half the members of Congress realize how much their strings get pulled. Who's going to step up from within the parties? McCain - his finance reform allowed more money in than ever, and helped Soros "buy" the Democratic Party. There's all the talk that he might go third party. Here is a guarantee - he won't. It will never happen. Who's there for the Dems? Kerry - bought. Edwards - bought. Dean - on the verge of a breakdown - the guy needs some serious rest in a sanitarium. The guy I would like to see step up in the Dem Party is Harold Ford. Everytime I've seen the guy I've been nothing but impressed. For the Reps, I don't know - there isn't anyone I'm particularly fond of, but in 2008, if it comes down to the lesser of two evils again, than I have to go that way. I think that Graham set himself up well by being part of the group that settled the filibuster issue, and he has solid conservative backing. Watch to see if he moves to the center on more issues - that will be a guarantee that he's running in 08. But stil, no matter who wins, the big money will be pulling the strings, and we the people come last.

[PaceAdvantage]

Suff, the only point I was addressing in your post was the following:

77% of Bush's Voters were White.

Is the above quoted statistic actually MEANINGFUL in a country where 70% of the ENTIRE POPULATION is white?

Give me a straight up answer to the following:

What percentage of Kerry voters were White?

[Suff]

Suff, the only point I was addressing in your post was the following:



Is the above quoted statistic actually MEANINGFUL in a country where 70% of the ENTIRE POPULATION is white?

Give me a straight up answer to the following:

What percentage of Kerry voters were White?

Yes Ok. Bush Beat Kerry 59% to 41% among whites. White voters constituted 77% of the entire voite.

I don't want to get into race... I'm done with it. I'm not biting on DEAN. It's so vitally important for Republicans to Divert from facts. What Dean said.....or more importantly what he is implying... Is correct. The Republican Party is monolithic...and The Democraric Party is diverse.

Another day, another discussion on equality of opportunity and justice in America.

btw.. I'd bet your Board is 90% white.

[PaceAdvantage]

If the Republican party is so white, how do you explain the ethnic diversity among Bush's cabinet members.....

All hat, no cattle....again? (There, I've corrected myself)

[lsbets]

The Republican Party is monolithic...and The Democraric Party is diverse.



Suff, do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? Because to believe that the Democratic Party is diverse in terms of views is more of a fairy tale than our two holiday icons. You can't find a pro-life Dem who is allowed to show his face in public by the party leadership. An old fashioned conservative Dem? Oh yeah, they've been chased out of the party.

If you consider diversity to be liberals from the northeast and liberals from the west coast, than yeah, the Dems are a diverse party. If you look at reality, the party you so love has no tolerance for dissent or differences of opinion. If you don't agree, please go away, or we'll push you away. 25 years ago the Dems had 22 Senators from southern states. Now they have 4. Why the drastic change? Because the party leadership put up candidates so far out of the mainstream to satisfy the special interests who have hijacked the party. Like I said - wake up, they're using guys like you and laughing all the way to the bank.

[Suff]

Suff, do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? Because to believe that the Democratic Party is diverse in terms of views is more of a fairy tale than our two holiday icons. You can't find a pro-life Dem who is allowed to show his face in public by the party leadership. An old fashioned conservative Dem? Oh yeah, they've been chased out of the party.

If you consider diversity to be liberals from the northeast and liberals from the west coast, than yeah, the Dems are a diverse party. If you look at reality, the party you so love has no tolerance for dissent or differences of opinion. If you don't agree, please go away, or we'll push you away. 25 years ago the Dems had 22 Senators from southern states. Now they have 4. Why the drastic change? Because the party leadership put up candidates so far out of the mainstream to satisfy the special interests who have hijacked the party. Like I said - wake up, they're using guys like you and laughing all the way to the bank.

Hey Your wrong... Big time. I can't get with you now..cuz I'm prepping for travel... First of all. I like you.. Your a nice guy. An interesting guy. I aprreciatte your take on things. But your wrong. so what...I'm wrong all the time... It's part of thinking. Being wrong I mean. Its ok to be wrong. Its very imprtant to be wrong... thats frequently the road to learning.


Great news. I am Back on board with the WAr in Iraq. This link is explanatory and you'll understand my reversal.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-06-09-horse-racing_x.htm


Hey... Look.. You guys are full of hot air. Read this thread and stop telling me about where this F'n country stands...and all the Northeast Liberal Bullshit

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/

[lsbets]

Suff, I wasn't talking about the country, I was talking about your party. The party of intolerance. If you think that's not true, just ask SoCal how she gets treated for saying she didn't like Kerry. Dissent is not tolerated in your party and they chased away conservative Dems. Fact as you like to say. Take my Congressman for example. Over 20 years in the House (i think 30 but I'm not sure). A lifelong Dem. He switched to the Republican Party last election. Why? Did his views change? No, he's been the same guy since he's been there. He says the Party leadership chased him away. They didn't give a crap about the opinion of a conservative Dem from a rural district in Texas. The only way he felt his constituents could be heard was if he switched parties. Its sad.

Speaking of Harold Ford, here is some of his appearance on Imus:

Imus: "On another note here, speaking of the Democratic Party, which you are a member of, how's Howard Dean working for you?"

Rep. Harold Ford Jr.: "(Laughing) I won't have him down so many times in Tennessee on the campaign trail with me. He has made some comments as of late that really speak to a lack of understanding I think, of the country, a lack of understanding of faith and values. I'm a Democrat and I'm a God fearing one. I grew up in church. Christianity is not reserved for white males. I think perhaps Governor Dean sometimes gets a little excited at the mouth, and says things that are simply not true. It may reach a point where if he can't find a way to kind of control some of his comments, and temper his comments, it may get to the point where the party may need to look elsewhere for leadership, because he does not speak for me, and I know he does not speak for a majority of Democrats and I dare say Republicans in my home state. I know that other, even Senator Biden and others, have made some stronger comments about him. I look forward to having a chance to sit with him here in the next day or so. I think he's going to be here in Capitol Hill a little later today to meet with us. I want to ask him directly. Can he contain himself in a lot of ways, and what is his thought process in a lot of these issues because it is not representative of where the party is."

Talking about the leader of one of the two major parties is not diverting attention from anything. When the guy makes hysterical comments time and again, he makes himself an issue. I can understand why you guys don't want anyone looking at him, so instead of confronting the problem head on, you guys say "You're talking about him because you don't want to talk about the issues." He made himself an issue, and if your party is going to be any kind of a credible opposition party, the guy has got to go.

Let me draw out one line from Ford:

"He has made some comments as of late that really speak to a lack of understanding I think, of the country, a lack of understanding of faith and values."

This is not some evangelical Christian talking. This is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus from a Southern State. Sounds to me like he is not very happy at all with the leadership of the Democratic Party. Hey, maybe there's hope, maybe reform is in the wings. Maybe he'll go to a third party. What's he talking about? Faith and values. How long till he gets run out of the party?

[ljb]

Here is a bumper sticker spotted on an suv in Texas:
http://www.dailykos.com/images/user/3/car2.jpeg

[Tom]

The Dems are diverse alrihgt - they've got more nuts than Planter's family reunion!


CEO/UAW - BOTH are bottom feeders looking out for themselves. All this talk about how unions are looking out for Joe Worker - BS....unions, like the companies they leech from, are BUSINESES! As long as both get their cuts, neither could care less about the workers or the country.

[kenwoodallpromos]

Give Howard a break! He's just reading some speeches Terry had left over!

[so.cal.fan]

Howard Dean lives to be controversial and in the spotlight.
He is what he is.....that is why he has almost a cult following with liberal democrats.
He will be low key for a while....then hit the headlines again. That's just Howard..... :)

[Buckeye]

good luck outside of Vermont. This clown is not an intellectual!

[Suff]

good luck outside of Vermont. This clown is not an intellectual!

Dean is not ready for Prime Time. A few posters on the right see it for what it is. It's Shakespearan theater. A year from now, (maybe sooner because he is such a Teenager) a moderate democrat will drag him into the Public Square and poltically behead him. Thereby winning fence sitters who will get off on it.

With that said, Dean was endorsed by the NRA when he ran for Vermont Governer. Vermont is serious hill-billy. Rural crowd. Also, Vermont might be the Most Beautiful State in the Country.

My top three are Colorado, Virginia & Vermont. They're so close I could'nt pick a Top one. Tennesee, Arizona are right up there. Vermont has thier History. Ethan Allen & The Green Mountain Boys. Stow Vermont & The Von Trapp Family (Sound of Music)

Say what you want about Dean, but Vermont is A-1 Ok with me

[Buckeye]

Me too Suff, and I will repeat what I said above, good luck.

[JustRalph]

Dean is not ready for Prime Time. A few posters on the right see it for what it is. It's Shakespearan theater. A year from now, (maybe sooner because he is such a Teenager) a moderate democrat will drag him into the Public Square and poltically behead him. Thereby winning fence sitters who will get off on it.

With that said, Dean was endorsed by the NRA when he ran for Vermont Governer. Vermont is serious hill-billy. Rural crowd. Also, Vermont might be the Most Beautiful State in the Country.

My top three are Colorado, Virginia & Vermont. They're so close I could'nt pick a Top one. Tennesee, Arizona are right up there. Vermont has thier History. Ethan Allen & The Green Mountain Boys. Stow Vermont & The Von Trapp Family (Sound of Music)

Say what you want about Dean, but Vermont is A-1 Ok with me

Hey Suff.........my wife grew up in Northern Vermont. You called it..........right on. If you were dropped from a plane with a blindfold on.......when you got done with your parachute you might have a hard time deciding whether you were dropped in West Virginia or Vermont........depending on who you talk to