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joeyspicks
06-07-2005, 07:42 AM
I haven't actually gone to the track in while, but the other thread about insane players got me to thinking.

Like the guy at my track (Suffolk Downs) ...who always sits in the same place down from me. After nearly every race at either Pimlico or Belmont he will begain a little mantra...."den of thieves" "its a den of thieves" as he rips up more tickets. He usually has a particulary bad reaction when a 3/5 shot in the 7th or 8th race goes down in flames. It nearly the SAME PATTERN every time I see the guy. Now I have no idea how much he plays but I submit that this guy has NO CHANCE to win any kind of long term profit. ZERO. The sad thing is one time I got talking to him and he was pretty knowledgable about horse racing, but when I asked him why he always seems to play short priced horses...he said "well when I dont THATS when they win" :bang:

Or some have insane expectations of how much they can expect to profit, with there "sheets" and tips, etc.... I mean...like the guy sitting down from me last time I was there. In the second race he gets "lucky" with a DQ and hits a $48 double. He spent 80 bucks and is now up $400. I remember because I was particularly upset about the DQ. Now the guys up $400.
I forget about him during the day, but I hear him screaming and yelling for this horse or that and celibrating occasionally. Im thinking this guy is having the day of his life.....good for him. However I hear him tell his buddy before the 9th at Belmont that if he hits this double he will JUST ABOUT BE EVEN FOR THE DAY!

Now dont get me wrong I did the same thing for years (why I lost)....but this is a particularly "insane" behavior. Unrealistic expectations and no awareness of what you are doing moment by moment!

Kreed
06-07-2005, 08:09 AM
Maybe that guy looses a few bucks & just enjoys venting. personally i like
the crazy track atomsphere. more money is lost in Vegas by far & the
idiot schemes like card counting & biased wheels --- i mean thats insane too.
Vegas puts up Billion Dollar casinos BECAUSE they cannot lose gambling money.
It's inevitable that casinos win. horses are another game where i still think
its possible to win.

alysheba88
06-07-2005, 08:40 AM
Maybe that guy looses a few bucks & just enjoys venting. personally i like
the crazy track atomsphere. more money is lost in Vegas by far & the
idiot schemes like card counting & biased wheels --- i mean thats insane too.
Vegas puts up Billion Dollar casinos BECAUSE they cannot lose gambling money.
It's inevitable that casinos win. horses are another game where i still think
its possible to win.

How is card counting idiotic? And why do the casinos ban it?

joeyspicks
06-07-2005, 08:48 AM
I do too (think its possible to win at horse racing). I just do NOT think its possible for some people. Attitude is so important.....and some just EXPECT to lose ( and get angry if you tell them its not true):mad: If you KNOW its impossible to win long term......you will "prove" it!!

PaceAdvantage
06-07-2005, 09:11 AM
Ironic that Kreed posts in a thread with the word Insane in the title....LOL

Misteranthropic
06-07-2005, 09:51 AM
Maybe that guy looses a few bucks & just enjoys venting. personally i like
the crazy track atomsphere. more money is lost in Vegas by far & the
idiot schemes like card counting & biased wheels --- i mean thats insane too.
Vegas puts up Billion Dollar casinos BECAUSE they cannot lose gambling money.
It's inevitable that casinos win. horses are another game where i still think
its possible to win.


Thanks for that enlightening post. Now that I know that card counting at 21 is an idiot scheme, I'd like to ask a favor of you.

Would you please call Harrah's and Caesar's at Tahoe, and the MGM Grand, the Nevada Club and several other casinos in Reno and have them put me back on the "OK to play 21" list?

They must all be misinformed about the efficacy of card counting.

Thanks

Buckeye
06-07-2005, 05:35 PM
8 Decks
Shuffle Shuffle Shuffle.
Still want to play?
2 deck "penetration" at most.
Still want to play? Didn't think so.
Think the casinos are going to give you their money when they know what you're doing? I don't.
Card-counting as a business is extinct, except in the movies.

Kreed
06-07-2005, 05:57 PM
card counting is meaningless busy work. in a 5-deck shoe, just how
accurate can you be? then, how long can you sustain your ability.
and then, if the house suspects YOU are counting, they'll most likely put
their Best Dealer in & most likely SHE will deal herself a 5 or 6 from near the
bottom of the shoe for a 20 or 21. Yes, casinos Hate counters & they
can just BEAT you by cheating since they consider any organized counting
as Cheating too. ergo, thats why i just drink all night & play when i go to
vegas or AC.

Zman179
06-07-2005, 10:29 PM
card counting is meaningless busy work. in a 5-deck shoe, just how
accurate can you be? then, how long can you sustain your ability.
and then, if the house suspects YOU are counting, they'll most likely put
their Best Dealer in & most likely SHE will deal herself a 5 or 6 from near the
bottom of the shoe for a 20 or 21. Yes, casinos Hate counters & they
can just BEAT you by cheating since they consider any organized counting
as Cheating too. ergo, thats why i just drink all night & play when i go to
vegas or AC.

I've gotta ask this, but how would the dealer deal from the bottom of the shoe anyway?

witchdoctor
06-07-2005, 10:43 PM
Ask Dave Swartz about how fair blackjack dealers are as he used to be one.

NoDayJob
06-08-2005, 12:52 AM
thats why i just drink all night & play when i go to
vegas or AC.

:) A lot more fun too---

NDJ