Moyers responds to Tomlison

[highnote]

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/16/1329245

Here are some quotes from the speech -- the first one is my favorite:

"News is what people want to keep hidden, and everything else is publicity."

"I’ve always thought the American eagle needed a left wing and a right wing."

"Standing up to your government can mean standing up for your country."

"...damage public broadcasting’s image with controversy... Where I come from in Texas, we shovel that kind of stuff every day."

Here is the flip side of the coin -- hey, equal time, right?:

http://www.mrc.org/press/2005/press20050517.asp

[ElKabong]

I hope Tomlinson brings PBS more to the middle. They've been to far left for far too long.

Last year at Kerry's convention, the NPR reporter on the floor was singing to the music when they threw her live at the end of Kerry's 3rd or 4th nite. She didn't even apologize for her unprofessionalism or open support of Kerry, she was outright giddy. Sounded like a HS cheerleader or a 12 yo at a 1965 Beatles concert.

As for Moyers, his show stink/ stank/ stunk. Adios and don't come back.

Personally, I wish PBS, NPR would try to COMPETE instead of relying on govt funds to stay afloat. They rely less on govt funds now (i've read) but we don't need SOCIALIST RADIO OR TV. When the gov pays for a network to survive and air programming, that's precisely what it is.

[Suff]

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Personally, I wish PBS, NPR would try to COMPETE instead of relying on govt funds to stay afloat. They rely less on govt funds now (i've read) but we don't need SOCIALIST RADIO OR TV. When the gov pays for a network to survive and air programming, that's precisely what it is.

Unless Govt Funds bailout Chrysler, then its capitialsim. Gotcha. ;)

I could go on, 1000's of examples.

btw, I own the airwaves. They're Public Property, I built them, with you. They all operate on our Dime......... Production costs are the difference. Yes, I do think its important we (you and I), produce information, and or news thats unprofitable. Otherwise, only information thats "pro" profit gets produced.

[highnote]

As for Moyers, his show stink/ stank/ stunk.

Just because it doesn't appeal to your tastes, doesn't mean it stinks. It's a well-researched show that gets a lot of donor support.

I liked the show, but that doesn't mean it's a great show just because I like it. It's just a show that tries to inform. I never thought it was biased one way or the other.

I think it is important that Public TV is willing to report on stories that main stream media ignores. Main stream media is beholden to stock holders and corporations that advertise. Main stream TV is going to be reluctant to tackle a tough issue that might offend one of its advertisers.

They rely less on govt funds now (i've read) but we don't need SOCIALIST RADIO OR TV. When the gov pays for a network to survive and air programming, that's precisely what it is.

Most public TV stations rely on individual, corporate and foundation support. The government chips in, but is not the only source.

There are a lot of subsidized goverment services. Would you agree that we should do away with all subsidies -- or just some? Which ones?

There are farm subsidies, educational subsidies, industrial subsidies, etc.

If subsidies are the mark of socialism then we must be living in a socialist nation. Right?

[highnote]

And furthermore... what about the mentally ill or the disabled.

Just take a walk through Manhattan. You'll see people homeless because they have been stricken with schizophrenia. They may have elderly parents who are unable to take care of them. Or perhaps they have no family at all. Should society not take care of these people. Or should we just toss them in the ocean and be done with them.

We need government subsidies to help maintain society.

[Suff]

And furthermore... what about the mentally ill or the disabled.

Just take a walk through Manhattan. You'll see people homeless because they have been stricken with schizophrenia. They may have elderly parents who are unable to take care of them. Or perhaps they have no family at all. Should society not take care of these people. Or should we just toss them in the ocean and be done with them.

We need government subsidies to help maintain society.

Don't fall into the Trap that they set for you. It's a con job. It's nonsense.
They talk about a society? A community? Personal Responsibility? They want you to think that WE (liberals) take from them to give to the undeserving. We don't. We build societys of unparralled success.

Texas alone has the Lowest HS graduation rates in America. Even the one's that stay in school are hurting. Texas is at the Bottom of SAT scores. Further, their % of citizens in poverty are among the highest rates in America. As are Most Southern States.

I deal in fact. Not smoke.

(blue's) What we do in our social and economic policy, works. My State has a budget Surplus, we have high tax's. My State has it's own minimum wage ($7.25). We fund programs that conservative states would'nt dream of. We go out of our way to accomodate minority groups. We insure all our children. We do alot of things Conservatives detest. But pound for pound, decade for decade, I'll stack our economic progress & effect with anyone's.

You want to have a different idea. Fine. Don't tell me it's because ours does'nt work. It works just fine. Further, it worked well enough to get everybody where they are today.

Liberals, or moderates that sympathize with Conservatives are not Liberals, nor are they Democrats. They're ""populist's". Thier kind has always existed. They go where its safe. Where its popular.

You either stand for something or you don't.

Being in the Minority is uphill. No one likes to consistently play the role of obstructionist. It wears down weak men.

The party in power advances legislation that forces the minority party to defend its fringe, or heavy baggage. The Liberals are going to get "killed" on this partial birth abortion case the Supreme Court just accepted. (NH case) Heard in Boston's Federal Circuit. Wait till Frist & Delay force that subject on them. Keep your head down. I'm "for" partial Birth Abortion btw.

You have to be a principled Democrat, a principled American to stick with your people when the going gets tough.

Besides, the numbers for Bush are poor, the #'s for the Republican Congress are poor. The Senate and the House. Republicans are turning on each other.

You could'nt get George Bush, John Mcain or Pat Buchanan to agree on anything right now. We just need to stand back and let these guys turn on each other. Thats what Republicans do best. ]

[ElKabong]

Unless Govt Funds bailout Chrysler, then its capitialsim. Gotcha. ;)

I could go on, 1000's of examples.

btw, I own the airwaves. They're Public Property, I built them, with you. They all operate on our Dime......... Production costs are the difference. Yes, I do think its important we (you and I), produce information, and or news thats unprofitable. Otherwise, only information thats "pro" profit gets produced.

I didn't like Chrysler getting bailed out. I dislike NPR/ PBS being carried along by taxpayer funds even less.

Rathergate...You think that was good reporting? Accurate? Dan Rather is gone because the public won't watch his lying ass anymore....The mid week 60 minutes program DIED b/c of low ratings, much can be contributed to rathergate.

PBS leans that way all the damn time. I say "tie their ass to ratings"....If people don't watch PBS (and they don't), then let them try to survive on their merit, not on my tax $$.

[ElKabong]

I deal in fact. Not smoke.

]

You deal in bullshit.

15% of our HS enrollment are illegals, in Tx. Kids that don't even speak the damn language of their newly proclaimed homeland. Dallas principals may have to be bilingual beginning in 2006 b/c of this (hoping this doesn't come to pass).

Stick 12-15% of people in Boston schools that can't speak English. See how f'ked your SAT's and Grad rates become.

[ElKabong]

And furthermore... what about the mentally ill or the disabled.

Just take a walk through Manhattan. You'll see people homeless because they have been stricken with schizophrenia. They may have elderly parents who are unable to take care of them. Or perhaps they have no family at all. Should society not take care of these people. Or should we just toss them in the ocean and be done with them.

We need government subsidies to help maintain society.
john,

You've swerved your car so damn far off the bridge, you're in Ted Kennedy/ Mary Jo Kopechne world..

Where did I EVER say we abandon INDIVIDUALS? Huh? WHERE!!?.....Fking ridiculous, john. What is it about you Liberal knowitalls? Suff makes a supposition I'd never watched Roger and Me...Bullshit. I call him out on it, then he made suppositions on Lsbets as well....and gets called out too.....Who the F--K is doing all the stereotyping around here? Not "neocons" that's for damn sure.

My post was about PBS, NPR....Not individuals that need help.

Maybe it's time for another "PA board liberal's" intellectual post that contains the phrase "niggas" (suff) or "slimy japs" (hcap) to help you liberals feel better about yourselves. Or maybe you can linkkk a cartoon like another liberal did here that called out Condi Rice as a "house nigga", asking her to hand over her hair straightener.....Wonder how (hair straightener user) Coretta Scott King thinks of that liberal cartoonist, John?

[46zilzal]

when is educating people socialist? there are few other sources of educational televsion like PBS

[ElKabong]

Singing to John Kerry's theme song on-air on the floor of his Convention is not "educating" anyone. It's showing your allegiance on your sleeve when you're *supposedly* there to report the news.

So much for PBS as anything that can be close to "fair and balanced" in reporting.

[Secretariat]

Bill Moyers is a legend. NOW was the most informative television show on TV. Moyers often had members from the far right on his show in interviews. Personally, I would have liked to see more of a balance to the left. I always considered Moyers as a man who asked a question, and then went out to investigate. I wish there were many more Bill Moyers out there today than Rush and Sean.

As to PBS, Elk, you don't understand. it's not about competing for "advertising" dollars to create some of the poor network shows out there. It is about being free of corporate advertising competition to create "qualtiy childrens programming", informative news shows and research, documentaries and art. Elk, I realize your idea of art is listening to Rush while watching re-runs of King of the Hill, but not everyone has those same preferences.

[ElKabong]

Bill Moyers is a legend. NOW was the most informative television show on TV. Moyers often had members from the far right on his show in interviews. Personally, I would have liked to see more of a balance to the left. I always considered Moyers as a man who asked a question, and then went out to investigate. I wish there were many more Bill Moyers out there today than Rush and Sean.

As to PBS, Elk, you don't understand. it's not about competing for "advertising" dollars to create some of the poor network shows out there. It is about being free of corporate advertising competition to create "qualtiy childrens programming", informative news shows and research, documentaries and art. Elk, I realize your idea of art is listening to Rush while watching re-runs of King of the Hill, but not everyone has those same preferences.


Here we go with the 'Liberal Fking knowitall' again....I haven't listened to 5 minutes of Rush Limbaugh in the past 6 months, so I don't consider it as "art".

Dumbass.

Moyers is a political tool. Nothing more.

[ElKabong]

Bill Moyers is a legend. NOW was the most informative television show on TV. .

Yeah, he's legendary allright. He presents one side in most his shows.

His history of one sidedness is documented. Now, and in the past, he's been a hand puppet for those who'll feed him the bullshit he eats. Take a look at Moyers quote below and tell me he's qualified to cover anything, for any network that pretends to report the news on an even basis??

http://secure.mediaresearch.org/news/mediawatch/1988/mw19880101jca.html


Pressler called Moyers' presentation a "very inaccurate, narrow, and limited viewpoint of what is going on in the SBC." But indeed, all this comes as little surprise. As a CBS analyst during the 1984 GOP Convention Moyers spent most of his time disparaging conservatives, referring to them as "the fringe exotic radicals" with an "authoritarian" goal. Incredibly, the December 7 USA Today quotes CBS News President Howard Stringer as yearning for Moyers to return since he's such "a great resource to have in an election year." That reveals a lot about CBS News concern for accuracy and fairness.

[46zilzal]

So much for PBS as anything that can be close to "fair and balanced" in reporting.
Not talking about anything political. Where else on the tube do folks get shows like PBS? People get The Apprentice, Fear Factor and Desperate Housewives while on PBS one sees great music specials, history, nature, FRONTLINE, Nova, biography of Jack Johnson, Baseball and the Civil War by Ken Burns, great classic movies that you NEVER see anywhere else, great interviews with Charlie Rose, the list goes on

[PaceAdvantage]

Point and counterpoints...I love it! Selective reasoning at its best, right here in this thread! Now go to your respective corners, and take a TIMEOUT. Too much veiled "F" words being tossed around...I don't like that....

Carry on....

[Secretariat]

Forget it 46, he only watches FOX.

[PaceAdvantage]

Wearing the "WiseAss" jacket doesn't suit you Sec. Best leave that to others.

[ElKabong]

Sec,

Since the election, I don't watch FOX channel but 5 minutes a month at best. Once again, the knowitall thing....

[lsbets]

Not talking about anything political. Where else on the tube do folks get shows like PBS? People get The Apprentice, Fear Factor and Desperate Housewives while on PBS one sees great music specials, history, nature, FRONTLINE, Nova, biography of Jack Johnson, Baseball and the Civil War by Ken Burns, great classic movies that you NEVER see anywhere else, great interviews with Charlie Rose, the list goes on


Umm, the History Channel, Noggin, BIO, A&E, Discovery, Travel

Its amazing what the marketplace can do when there is a demand. The government should not be paying for TV channels.

[highnote]

Umm, the History Channel, Noggin, BIO, A&E, Discovery, Travel

Its amazing what the marketplace can do when there is a demand. The government should not be paying for TV channels.

You're right, Is. The only thing I don't like about those cable networks kids shows is that every 10 minutes my kids have to sit through commercials. That's why I like PBS. No commercials -- well, almost none.

I can't even sit through a program on half those cable channels because of all the commercials. I also really dislike some of the ways advertisers try to sell to kids.

I'd much rather watch a Ken Burns documentary on PBS without commercials than any documentary on History Channel. Life's too short to put up with commercials.

Actually, I rarely have time to watch a documentary anyway -- commercials or not. But when I do, I don't like to sit through commercials. If it wasn't for my wife and kids, I'd drop cable altogether and just watch "free" TV -- CBS, NBC, PBS, etc.

js

[highnote]

john,

You've swerved your car so damn far off the bridge, you're in Ted Kennedy/ Mary Jo Kopechne world..

Where did I EVER say we abandon INDIVIDUALS? Huh? WHERE!!?.....

Elk,

You're right. You didn't. You called PBS Socialist TV. I should have stuck to the point.



Fking ridiculous, john. What is it about you Liberal knowitalls?

Guess it is a knee jerk reaction to neocon knowitalls -- not you in particular, but neocons, in general. :D



My post was about PBS, NPR....Not individuals that need help.

Right again. Elk. I disgressed. My point was that there are a lot of socialist programs in our country. Public TV may be one of them -- depending on how you look at it. I don't have any problem with the way Public TV is funded.

I'll admit, I didn't do a good job making my point. What I was getting at was that if you can't support a "socialist" TV network, then can you be in support of other "social" programs?

But again, that is not what this thread was about. It's about Public TV. I rescind my statements.

Peace.

John

[Suff]

PBS leans that way all the damn time. I say "tie their ass to ratings"....If people don't watch PBS (and they don't), then let them try to survive on their merit, not on my tax $$.

All the utilities are Union Guys here, I'm not sure where else. 10+ Years ago Verizon approached the Union with a plan to non-unionize its wireless division on account of it was new technology and the investments were large. They needed to go to Wall Street with a plan that did'nt include a Union Deal. Thats why they can't put it in writing right then and there They said. But they promised the Unions a certain percentage of the Growth of the wireless division.

Now its ten years later , the wireless division IS Verizon now. Guess how much the Union's gotten? Zero. None. In fact with the decrease in Land lines and VOIP, they're shrinking. Verizon could'nt put it in writing. "Wall Street just will not stomach this with a UNION DEAL. This was "VENTURE" Financing. Strictly non-union big business republican types. The Filthy rich.


Elkabong,

Education, Health care, and many other social welfare issues are on the States. Each State has its dead weight. Shit man, you guys got oil. Oil's been good for Texan's... But Texan's have been good to oil. Take a chunk out of thier hide. Throw a state tax on them, keep heeping on until they cry Uncle and then twist some more. Make it hurt. Screw them, they're making money hand over fist. Piles and Piles of it.

Thats why I told you the Verizon story.

Earth to Texas: Verizon is not coming. In other words, The Govt. They're not coming. Your (we) are on our own.

George Bush is in the White House. 9-11-01 has us all buckled down, and the Mexican border is in the Shape its in? Elkie, I'm with you. I want to put the ARMY out there. But lets be honest with another, they're not coming.

Elk, another point. Georgraphy hurts you, your right up on it. Culture hurts me because Illegals know, Massachusetts among others, is Kind to immigrants.

We give them Health Care, housing,,,a whole buncha other shit.. Your talking about Teachers knowing spanish? In Inner city schools, teachers need to know Vietnamese! We have Brazilain, Chinese, Vietnamese, African, Russian nieghborhoods. An inner city school system has Forms with about 10 languages on it. Its all heavy. We're all struggling.

But the fact is, Texas gotta figure its way out. So we gotta get Big Money to pay for it. Thats right. The rich. The Verizon's of Oil. We the people tell the Govt what to do, and also the other people. In this case the other people are the Rich ones. I say we Mug them and use the proceeds to secure the borders.

[ElKabong]

Elk,

Peace.

John

Amen, brother (coming from the non-church goer, that I am). I'm all for helping individuals that are truly in need. For corporations?, no...and I know many disagree w/ me on that. But for individuals down on their luck or that have severe medical issues, we as a society must help. Otherwise we really are a Godless society (again, coming from a non church goer).

[Suff]

Amen, brother (coming from the non-church goer, that I am). I'm all for helping individuals that are truly in need. For corporations?, no...and I know many disagree w/ me on that. But for individuals down on their luck or that have severe medical issues, we as a society must help. Otherwise we really are a Godless society (again, coming from a non church goer).

Jobs lower crime. Fact. Good Jobs make good nieghborhoods. A single murder , when factoring in medical and prison costs, runs into the Multi-Millions. When you can prove that spending $5 Million dollars on Jobs Programs lowers the Murder count by 20. You saved $30 million. Its not socialism, Its Good SOCIAL POLICY.
Its a win win, the community saves lives and money, the youth learn Job skills.

[Tom]

Perhaps the Minutemen is a grass roots for real Americnas to take thier country back from an ineffective and corrupt governement. The border issue is not going to go away. If the governemtn fails to do its job - the people will eventually do it. The time is overdue.

[lsbets]

Perhaps the Minutemen is a grass roots for real Americnas to take thier country back from an ineffective and corrupt governement. The border issue is not going to go away. If the governemtn fails to do its job - the people will eventually do it. The time is overdue.


Headed down to the Texas border in October - I'll be there. Some Texas Senators (State Senate) introduced legislation to request the Minutemen not go. I've got news for them - I'm here, and I'll be on the border, and so will thousands of others.

[lsbets]

John,

Noggin doesn't have commercials - its a great channel, my kids love it. Its all educational programming, and it helps Mom stay in bed for an extra hour on the weekends. Disney has a million commercials promoting Disney, it drives me nuts, so we don't have it on very often, but my son used to love the Wiggles, and their songs were kind of catchy in an annoying 4 grown men singing kids songs kind of way. I even made my soldiers listen to the Wiggles is our humvee in Iraq - one heck of a way to stay sane. :lol: :lol:

[highnote]

John,

Noggin doesn't have commercials - its a great channel, my kids love it. Its all educational programming, and it helps Mom stay in bed for an extra hour on the weekends. Disney has a million commercials promoting Disney, it drives me nuts, so we don't have it on very often, but my son used to love the Wiggles, and their songs were kind of catchy in an annoying 4 grown men singing kids songs kind of way. I even made my soldiers listen to the Wiggles is our humvee in Iraq - one heck of a way to stay sane. :lol: :lol:

I don't think we get Nogin. I'll have to double check.

Wiggles are very good. My son loves them, too. Wiggles Safari is his favorite. I like the song "Barbi on the Beach" and "Central Park New York". I've heard those DVDs so many times I can sing the words to most of the songs. "Cold Spaghetti" is another favorite. Of course, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention "Fruit Salad".

The first time I heard that song I said that is the worst song I've ever heard. Even I could write a better song than that. Then it dawned on me how catchy it actually was -- like a bad cold kind of catchy -- but catchy nonetheless. Once you hear it, you never forget it.

js

[ElKabong]

Suff,

Can't wait to meet you someday. Won't be this yr at Toga, but we'll hook up down the line there or elsewhere hopefully. You bring up interesting points but I can't begin to cover ground on-line. Agree with much of your opinions, you make great points.

Where I live, in my neighborhood, crime doesn't even exist. In Dallas proper however, it's everywhere as far as the petty stuff goes. Equeer commented on Dallas being the crime capital or somesuch. Just depends on where you are, really.

Tom, Lsbets...

The minuteman thing will be ON again this fall I heard. Not only in AZ, but also in Calif...Glad to hear it'll fly in Tx too.

[Suff]

Suff,

Can't wait to meet you someday..

Same here. Last night I stopped at a Friends house on my home from work. He reads PA but never posts. When I walked in his kitchen he says.."who's that guy from Texas..? He's all over you! I said oh,,its probably Elkabong... ! Lol.

Hey more from Texas. Yes

Senfronia Thompson. She Went Downtown on the Legislators yesterday.

Duck and cover time
Texas lege enshrines anti-gay provision in state constitution


AUSTIN -- Here in the National Laboratory for Bad Government, it's Duck and Cover time -- the Legislature is in session. The Can't-Shake-Your-Booty bill passed the House, saving us all from the scourge of sexy cheerleaders. But nothing else is getting done. The state is being run by people who do not know how to govern. Keep in mind that based on past form, whatever lunacy is going on in Texas will eventually sweep the country.
Rarely are the words of one state legislator worth national attention, but when Senfronia Thompson, a black representative from Houston, stalks to the back mike with a certain "get-out-of-my-way" look in her eye, it's, Katie, bar the door. Here is Thompson speaking against the Legislature's recent folly of putting a superfluous anti-gay marriage measure into the state constitution:

"I have been a member of this august body for three decades, and today is one of the all-time low points. We are going in the wrong direction, in the direction of hate and fear and discrimination. Members, we all know what this is about; this is the politics of divisiveness at it's worst, a wedge issue that is meant to divide.

"Let's look at what this amendment does not do: It does not give one Texas citizen meaningful tax relief. It does not reform or fully fund our education system. It does not restore one child to CHIP [Children's Health Insurance Program] who was cut from health insurance last session. It does not put one dime into raising Texas' Third World access to health care. It does not do one thing to care for or protect one elderly person or one child in this state. In fact, it does not even do anything to protect one marriage.
"Members, this bill is about hate and fear and discrimination... When I was a small girl, white folks used to talk about 'protecting the institution of marriage' as well. What they meant was if people of my color tried to marry people of Mr. Chisum's color, you'd often find the people of my color hanging from a tree... Fifty years ago, white folks thought interracial marriages were 'a threat to the institution of marriage.'

"Members, I'm a Christian and a proud Christian. I read the good book and do my best to live by it. I have never read the verse where it says, 'Gay people can't marry.' I have never read the verse where it says, 'Thou shalt discriminate against those not like me.' I have never read the verse where it says, 'Let's base our public policy on hate and fear and discrimination.' Christianity to me is love and hope and faith and forgiveness -- not hate and discrimination.

"I have served in this body a lot of years, and I have seen a lot of promises broken... So... now that blacks and women have equal rights, you turn your hatred to homosexuals, and you still use your misguided reading of the Bible to justify your hatred. You want to pass this ridiculous amendment so you can go home and brag -- brag about what? Declare that you saved the people of Texas from what?


-----------------------

Molly Ivins

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=19098

[lsbets]

Here's one thing that bugs the hell out of me. I am against gay marriage, I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. Does that mean I hate gays? No, but a lot of people would like others to believe that because I don't support gay marriage I hate gays. I think people should be able to designate whoever they want to make their medical decisions if they can't. I am opposed to any "death tax" so if we had my way there wouldn't be the issue of spousal inheritance for gay people. I personally don't give a crap if someone is gay, it doesn't matter to me. What would shock most people is I think the military's policy on gays is just plain dumb - if someone wants to volunteer and serve, let them. We wouldn't have gay soldiers hitting on straight soldiers - anyone who has ever been around gay people know they don't go around hitting on straight people as a matter of habit. We had a gay guy in my battalion in Iraq - you can say I'm stereotying, but if you ever met him you would agree - he's gay. It didn't cause any problems. No one cared.

So I am opposed to gay marriage. Sorry if that offends you. But it doesn't mean I hate gay people or am scared of gay people. And the fact that there are those who want to make me out to be some kind of bigot because I don't support gay marriage offends the hell out of me.

[JustRalph]

when is educating people socialist? there are few other sources of educational televsion like PBS

I am totally against "public schools" it is an unfair tax on those who don't use the system. I pay excessive taxes to educate my neighbors kids.......in a crappy system to boot................ and I have no control or say over the money.

[highnote]

I am totally against "public schools" it is an unfair tax on those who don't use the system. I pay excessive taxes to educate my neighbors kids.......in a crappy system to boot................ and I have no control or say over the money.

When you and I were kids in school that's what our neighbors probably said, too! :D

[wes]

One dam thing fors sure they all spoke english!

wes

[highnote]

One dam thing fors sure they all spoke english!

wes

Mostly. I did have some Russian and Korean neighbors -- and I grew up in a small town in the middle of Ohio!

But majority rules. Someday we all may be speaking Spanish -- or at least our great grandkids. ¿Quién sabe? :D

[lsbets]

Mostly. I did have some Russian and Korean neighbors -- and I grew up in a small town in the middle of Ohio!

But majority rules. Someday we all may be speaking Spanish -- or at least our great grandkids. ¿Quién sabe? :D


My son is 3. They teach them Spanish at daycare. My wfie and I think its great. I can only get to 8, and he gets all the way to 20!

[Suff]

One dam thing fors sure they all spoke english!

wes

A friend told me in confidence that he voted for George Bush. At Home Depot, they make announcements in Spanish , after they do it in English. That annoys him to no end. He can't for the life of him understand why these people will not learn english! Voted for Bush hoping he'd secure the Border.

Another guy who's name I could use because he's a known Jockey agent who's kicked around the NorthEast circuit for years. Philly park, Monmouth, Meadowlands etc... He was up in Boston this Fall and said he would'nt Vote for Kerry. Thinks Kerry is an F'n Jerk. He also told me with a straight face the reason he Voted for Bush. John Kerry Called David Ortiz, "Manny Ortiz". The Red Sox player. John Kerry fubbed Ortiz's name. Thats why he was voting for George Bush. Its David Ortiz, & Manny Rameriz.



Todo diaz practico mi espanol umpoquito. Mucho Agusto.

[Lasix1]

I am totally against "public schools" it is an unfair tax on those who don't use the system.
Here's a few more for those gracious citizens like Ralph who only think of themselves:

*I am totally against benefits tied to marriage as an unfair tax on gays and single people who don't breed.

*I am totally against public parks and camp grounds as an unfair tax on people who do something else on the weekends.

*I am totally against public libraries as an unfair tax on people who don't read.

*I am totally against government subsidized drug research as an unfair tax on people who aren't sick.

*I am totally opposed to tax deductions for the blind as an unfair tax on people who aren't.

We've got ours, Ralph, pull the ladder up!

[Tom]

Hold the phone. Don't confuse spending money on school budgets with sspending money on education - they are not the same thing. Millions of doolars that most taxpayers cannot affford is wasted on school budgets and do nothing to better educate our children. Off the top of my head, I would list the paychecks of incompetant teachers who have tunure as one big area of waste.

Our school system just increased my taxes so that we can hire a full time art teacher for PRE-KINDERGADEN! Hey guys, Crayola crayons cost what, a buck a box?
Get real.
Most people in the shcool systems live in their own little sheltered world, oblivious to the real word, showing up every fall with hands out wanting more money for this and that....never considereing that most of us out here do not have tenure, do not get several months off evey year, do not have extra cash to placate your ever increasing needs to spend, spend spend.
Abe Lincoln had a chalk board and aflint and he turned out out alright - dnver needed band, sports, uniforms, electricity fo night footbal games (what's wrong with Saturday afternoon, when it is , uh LIGH outside).
And then when a school budget goes down, they just keep voting on it over and over until they get it passed. And the graduates just keep coming out dumber and dumber every year.
If ever there was a waste of money in this country is is on school budgets.
Teach them to read, write, and do math. After you get that down, come see me about band uniforms.

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I was totally against a president who'd invite a 20 yo kid into the Oval office so he could get a blowjob his wife wouldn't give him.

I was totally against him lying thru his teeth about it happening (and all the others, some he harrassed).

I was totally against him finishing up his term. Yet the lying bastard not only finished the term, he also pardoned a record number of felons on his departure and his wife took the good silverware.

Oh well...can't get everything we want. ;)

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I was totally against a president who'd invite a 20 yo kid into the Oval office so he could get a blowjob his wife wouldn't give him.


I have no problem with this. none. The man got a BJ (s). Good for him. I enjoy them myself.


What I don't enjoy are rats..... who'd find out about about it and try to use it against me by telling my wife, and the whole town. On the grading scale of people, I grade the Rats & Busy Bodys the worst. Private sexual encouters between two consenting adults.........none of my business.

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I was totally against a president who'd invite a 20 yo kid into the Oval office so he could get a blowjob his wife wouldn't give him.


How do you know his wife wouldn't give him one. And even if she wouldn't, maybe he should have hired someone to give him one? :D

Sometimes I wonder if there would have been as much outcry if instead of Lewinsky the woman would have been someone of Marilyn Monroe's stature?

I was totally against him lying thru his teeth about it happening (and all the others, some he harrassed).

He said he did not have sex with that woman... Ms. Lewinsky. :D :D

I was totally against him finishing up his term.

The senate disagreed. Luckily, presidents can only serve 8 years!


Yet the lying bastard not only finished the term, he also pardoned a record number of felons on his departure

Ronald Reagan pardoned former felon and NY Yankees owner George Steinbrenner. How many pardons are too many? Someone has to hold the record. It is likely that someday, a Republican president will break Bill Clinton's record. Every president has this privilege. I never understood why they are allowed this broad power, but they are. I'm sure Bush will pardon his share of felons, too. Ken Lay might be a good start. :rolleyes:

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I have no problem with this. none. The man got a BJ (s). Good for him. I enjoy them myself.


What I don't enjoy are rats..... who'd find out about about it and try to use it against me by telling my wife, and the whole town. On the grading scale of people, I grade the Rats & Busy Bodys the worst. Private sexual encouters between two consenting adults.........none of my business.

I hear a lot of conservatives complain that because of Clinton every school kid knows about blow jobs because the story was in the media day and night when it first broke.

Guess who was pushing this story -- conservatives. This news should have stayed in the backrooms and locker rooms instead of being forced down the throat of Americans through mainstream media.

I watched nightly as seemingly every conservative politician in the country made the rounds of the talk shows discussing blowjobs.

My feeling then and now is -- what a waste of time and taxpayer money. Didn't these politicians have something better to do than discuss blowjobs -- maybe they enjoyed living vicariously through Clinton?

In the end, Clinton served his term, he and Hillary are still married and she is a senator. Clinton and Bush Sr. worked together on Tsunami relief.

What a country.

PS

This wasn't about blowjobs -- it was about power.

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This thread has taken an inappropriate turn....back on topic, or closed it gets....

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This thread has taken an inappropriate turn....back on topic, or closed it gets....

You're right, PA. We started with Public TV and end up in the Oval orifice -- I mean office.

But back to language -- Sesame Street teaches kids Spanish. I don't know how well it works, but at least it exposes kids to it.

One of my dreams is to take a year off from work, rent out my house and move with my wife and kids to a non-English speaking country so we can all learn a second language. I'm thinking Spain, France, Germany or Italy. Haven't decided, yet. France has good racing -- so that's my first choice.

My wife and I signed up for the Peace Corps before we were married. They wouldn't take us because we weren't married, yet. One of my regrets is that we couldn't serve. We hoped we would have been sent to a Spanish speaking country. Aside from being a very satisfying experience, we figured that learning another language and culture would have helped us immensely in our careers.

There have been many times in my career that being able to speak Spanish fluently would have come in handy. For awhile I had a betting account in Argentina. It's pretty easy to place a bet in Spanish when you read from a piece of paper -- the hard part is if you make a mistake and want to change your bet. Then you have to wing it.

It's also good to have an understanding of various cultures. One time I was working on the upper East side of Manhattan. We'd send somebody down to the local bodega to buy coffee and donuts. I always drink black coffee. Everytime, my coffee was black, but had sugar in it and I couldn't drink it. Finally, I went down to the bodega myself and ordered black coffee. I watched as the gentleman made it. He started putting sugar in it. I asked him why he was putting sugar in it. He said that I asked for black coffee. I told him I did not want sugar. So he said that I needed to ask for black coffee with no sugar. :bang: That explained it.

So now, I always specify black coffee -- no sugar.