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[Ruffian41772]

hi! my name is savannah and i'm new here. just love thoroughbred racing. infact this summer i am going to be apprenticing under a trainer at mountaineer racetrack because i hope that one day i will become a trainer. i have wanted to do that since i was 12 (i'm 17). well just wanted to say hi and to let you guys know i was here.

[andicap]

This is a good place to prepare for being a trainer -- you need a thick skin for both activities.

:D

welcome --

[CryingForTheHorses]

hi! my name is savannah and i'm new here. just love thoroughbred racing. infact this summer i am going to be apprenticing under a trainer at mountaineer racetrack because i hope that one day i will become a trainer. i have wanted to do that since i was 12 (i'm 17). well just wanted to say hi and to let you guys know i was here.

Welcome to the board,Know whats under them before you get on them, I remember when I was 17 on the racetrack..Hotwalking getting all the crap jobs, Hell I had to carry a waterbucket with two hands..Pay attention to the animals and they will teach you how to respond to their language

[JackS]

Savannah- Welcome. I'm sure there's plenty of headaches associated with training horses just as there is in any other job that is kept to close scrutany.
However, what a wonderful atmosphere to spend one's busy life doing. Best of luck in your trainer apprentice-ship.

[Ruffian41772]

i know it is not going to be easy. i own 3 horses of my own and i know what its like having to carry a two full water buckets at the same time clear across a show ground. i've got alot of practice in that and in cleaning stalls, riding, training riding horses, the long hot days and all of that happy stuff. and you know what i love it:) thanx for making me feel welcome!

[Zaf]

Welcome Savannah :)

I hope you succeed with your horse racing aspirations ! Ah what could be better than spending your days around horses and making a living at it !

Best of luck,

ZAFONIC

[Ruffian41772]

absolutley nothing is better than spending your day with the horses. best job in the world:) dont you love the smell of the barn?? i just love it! my friends walk in and say it stinks in here! i just take in a big whiff of the air and say nope smells great:)

[kenwoodallpromos]

Training has to be a very complex job. A lot of differerent things going on.
I Hope you learn as much as possible an become a great assistant trainer or a trainer yourself.
There seem to be a number of good young trainers that owners trust with better horses, abd I assume trust is the best attribute for a trainer. There are a few owners and a couple of trainers on here.
I am also on exercise riders forum, and they are linked to a trainer site.
Some trainers have bios or websites online that you may find interesting.

[Buddha]

welcome aboard. i work at mountaineer selling programs. if you dont mind me asking, what trainer are you going to be apprenticing under? Just curious.

[Ruffian41772]

i am going to be apprenticing under Jessica L. Pizzurro. (think thats how you spell it cant remember)she was nice enough to answer back to an email i sent her and offerd me and apprenticeship with her for the summer. i have been tracking her DRF.com. she has sent me some videos of some of the horses i will be working with and she keeps me updated on what's going on over there. i will be going to meet her next month then if everything works out i will be staying with her from july to the end of august. wish i could spend more time with her but i cant. but next summer she might have a job for me there and i hope i will be able to do it.

[Skanoochies]

Good luck Kiddo, sounds like a great life. Look foward to seeing your name in the DRF someday. ;)

P.S. Don`t forget your friends here at the forum when you get to the "DERBY". :)

[Ruffian41772]

i'll remember you guys. i cant wait until i see my name in the DRF:) i like it when i get advice from people who have worked and are working at the track it is totally differnt from getting info from people who just read stuff about it. thanx guys!!!

[CryingForTheHorses]

i'll remember you guys. i cant wait until i see my name in the DRF:) i like it when i get advice from people who have worked and are working at the track it is totally differnt from getting info from people who just read stuff about it. thanx guys!!!

Savanna. The racetrack has a lot of horses and many wolves...Beware!!

[JustRalph]

Savanna. The racetrack has a lot of horses and many wolves...Beware!!

so does this board..........the same advice applies...........a seventeen year old girl on this board gives me the willies a little...........PA........block her PM's!!:eek:

[Bobby]

yea, PA that might not be a bad thing to do - block her PM. I have a feeling that the predators are lurking!

Savannah, we aren't trying to scare you off. Just looking out for you. But you are bold! You'll bring a fresh, new perspective to this board. So . . . . please continue your posts. Bobby

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm not so sure what everyone is worrying about? So what that she's 17? Anyone over 13 does NOT require parental consent, per COPPA.....

[Ruffian41772]

i get that about my age alot.:) dont worry you guys wont scare me off. i'm tough. i dont give up very easily. i'm bull headed:) i plan to stick around for awhile.

[Suff]

I'm not so sure what everyone is worrying about? So what that she's 17? Anyone over 13 does NOT require parental consent, per COPPA.....


call me cynical. I don't believe a word of it. but hey....one's mans message board is another man's porn. Whatever floats your boat.

[BillW]

i get that about my age alot.:) dont worry you guys wont scare me off. i'm tough. i dont give up very easily. i'm bull headed:) i plan to stick around for awhile.

Best of luck Savanna and welcome to the board. There are a few around her that can be of help and a lot to offer moral support. Some one you may be particularly be interested in corresponding with is PurplePower

http://www.purplepowerracing.com/

he runs trainer classes among other thoroughbred related activities. Although he is not in your area he is probably a good source for advice and is a very helpful guy in general.

Best of luck,

Bill

[Ruffian41772]

other forums that i have been on have recommened him. i have to check out his web site.

[headhawg]

I'm not so sure what everyone is worrying about? So what that she's 17? Anyone over 13 does NOT require parental consent, per COPPA.....
Not that I have any reason to believe otherwise, but how do we know she's 17 -- or female?

The Internet brings out all kinds.... :eek:

[kenwoodallpromos]

Don't mind some of these guys- it is just rare to see a female in the forum and sometimes handicapping! The only thing that scare you off is some of the avatars!LOL!

[PaceAdvantage]

Well, just remember folks, I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday, and I HAVE seen it ALL here before.....

[Tom]

I think the only one here she has to worry about is......BUBBLES! :lol:


(PS...wlecome to the board;) )

[Ruffian41772]

for you doubters out there yes i am 17 i have no reason to lie about that. there are some things that i still have to learn about handicapping and i planned on learning some of that from you guys. so dont let me down!:)

[fouroneone]

Not that I have any reason to believe otherwise, but how do we know she's 17 -- or female?

The Internet brings out all kinds.... :eek:


http://www.mellowfx2.com/gallery/albums/RaNd0Mz0rZ/14fcali.highlight.jpg

[fouroneone]

for you doubters out there yes i am 17 i have no reason to lie about that. there are some things that i still have to learn about handicapping and i planned on learning some of that from you guys. so dont let me down!:)

Best of luck to you. :)

If you can figure out how to win at Mountaineer then you will be doing better than 90% of the members here.

[Ruffian41772]

i'm gonna try my best to win there:) oh and that picture was scary:eek:

[Bobby]

Ruffian, who introduced you to horses and thoroughbred racing?

Like with me, I went to local track about 10 years ago with my friend and his dad. first bet I ever made was an exacta box at aqueduct. Nailed it - cashed $200. Been hooked ever since.

[Suff]

We have to come up with a Kangaroo court here. Absolutely. Fines and Punitive Damages.


Bobby, Your up first. Here's your verdict. Guilty.

The Punishment? IF and When we actually do get a 17 year old girl on the board, you can't talk to her for 60 days.

Go take a nap. :p

[Bobby]

Don't be so cynical. I'd join match.com first, thats the environment. understand?

[Ruffian41772]

nobody ever introduced me to racing. i got into on my own when i was about 12. i have been following it ever since and this is the first year i have joined forums for it. and i am learning all types of things.:)

[Ruffian41772]

IF and When we actually do get a 17 year old girl on the board. again i am actually 17 years old!!!!!!!!!!! i am being serious!!! i was born on april the 28th 1988!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!:bang:

[Suff]

IF and When we actually do get a 17 year old girl on the board. again i am actually 17 years old!!!!!!!!!!! i am being serious!!! i was born on april the 28th 1988!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!:bang:

Ok Fruit Cup, maybe you are. Just the same , I asked someone to go by the Jessica Pizzurro barn this weekend and check it out.

[Bobby]

nobody ever introduced me to racing. i got into on my own when i was about 12. i have been following it ever since and this is the first year i have joined forums for it. and i am learning all types of things.:)

So you don't have Buckwheat out back in the pasture or anything like that. You just said hey I like horses. I wanna be a trainer one day.

[Ruffian41772]

i have been around,rode, and owned horses since i was 9. got into racing and i decided i love the sport soo much that i want to be a part of it. sooo......trainer. i know all about horses my sister has an ottb and i am handling him all the time. i have handled high strung thoroughbreds since i was 9. in fact the first horse i was up on was a thoroughbred. it's not like oooh i like horses i think they are pretty i want to be a trainer.

[Ruffian41772]

well guys. not going to WV no apprenticeship. :(

[Buddha]

what happened?

[Suff]

Damn, I was planning on calling Jay Leno to the stand! Now I'll just rest my case on the circumstancial evidence.

[Zaf]

Hey Suff,

Are you a poker player ? Just wondering ?

ZAFONIC

[kenwoodallpromos]

"there are some things that i still have to learn about handicapping and i planned on learning some of that from you guys. so dont let me down!"
__
Now you can work more on your handicapping and grammar.

[PaceAdvantage]

Is it time to close this thread yet? :rolleyes:

[sniezer]

I think she might be for real. Jess P posts on another bb I frequent. I don't know her personally, but I could PM her and ask.

[PaceAdvantage]

Whether real or not, my question still stands.....LOL

[Suff]

other posters come into this thread :kiss: and say "Boy does it stink" :ThmbDown: But not me :) I just take a big whiff and say "Boy does'nt it smell great!!! :jump: :jump:


Fire in the hole!

[JustRalph]

Damn, I was planning on calling Jay Leno to the stand! Now I'll just rest my case on the circumstancial evidence.:lol:

[andicap]

See, Ruffian, I told you it was a rough crowd :D

I'm surprised no one has asked you if you're cute. :) :)

I was certain she was legit, but now I am soooooooooo curious. I don't know why -- it's not important in the least -- but I'm dying to know.

:p :p (I have no idea when you're supposed to use this icon -- I just like the way it looks. I guess it's supposed to denote playfullness. But it COULD be taken the wrong way. Yes, it is a Friday and I don't feel like working.)


Yes indeed, this could be the post that gets this sucker closed down.

[Ruffian41772]

well whatever you guys have to say i dont care laugh at me say i'm stupid i dont care.

[Buddha]

you never answered my question as to what happened and why you arent doing the apprenticeship.

[sniezer]

Ruffian, I don't think anyone's making fun of you. They're just unsure if you're who you say you are. If your serious about working at the track, you're going to have to develop a thick skin. I know, I'm a woman who's been on the track 20+ years as a jockey and trainer.

[kenwoodallpromos]

Once in a while people come on here after changing names; and bettors are often suspicious by nature. Don't let it bother you! They can use their ignore button if they want and you may also!
There is an exercise rider website on the internet but they do not get many posts.
This is the best handicapping website on the internet so stick around!

[BillW]

I know, I'm a woman

Now you've went and done it! :lol::lol::lol:

BTW - welcome to the site, Commodore was where I saw my first race way too long ago.

Bill

[andicap]

well whatever you guys have to say i dont care laugh at me say i'm stupid i dont care.

Wasn't making fun of you -- I was just making fun of this silly thread and how tough these posters are...

No one's calling you stupid...they're just having fun. Believe me if you want to be trainer as a woman you'll get called a lot worse. It's a very tough profession for women. Racing is a man's world. You'll need a very thick hide, (I've been told, I'm not in racing myself).

You have to remember while the people here are glad to welcome you, in the end it won't make much difference to anyone whether you stay or not. I mean these people chased away Frank LaBocceta Jr., a respected trainer in New York!!

My best advice is to give it back to Suff as good as he's giving it --- good-naturedly. That's what he respects. Believe me, on this board he might seem like a curmudgeonly old fart, but in person -- well, actually in person he is exactly like that. Only not so old. And when you're 21 he'll buy you a drink.

:p

[Jessi P]

Hi everyone! I would like to introduce myself. I am Jessi Pizzurro, trainer at Mountaineer. A little birdie told me my name was being mentioned and I thought I would come say hello.

I was referred to Savannah by a friend of mine - as Savannah wanted to learn about horses, and my friend knew I had planned to have some working students in this summer at the track. I asked Savannah if she would be interested and when could we schedule a meeting to work out the details etc. We did correspond awhile but I never could get any verification from her parents. By this time I had divided the summer up into 3 sessions of three weeks each and advertised on the pedigreequery.com forum that I was taking applications for each spot. I had an overwhelming response, almost a dozen very nice young ladies all wanting to learn more about being involved with horseracing - hotwalking, grooming, bandaging, training theory, paddocking horses, feeding, supplements, barn management, the list is endless. Some students will be learning about reschooling OTTBs for their after racing careers. No students will be riding at the track, but we do keep several horses on a farm by the track for afternoons.

Anyway, I got firm commitments from several sets of parents immediately and the three spots filled right away. I did make room for a fourth student who will come in while my older two children are on vacation with their grandmother so my house isn't TOO crammed full of kids and teenagers. ;) Savannah is on a wait list in case of a cancellation. I have talked to her on the phone and she seems like a sweet girl.

Good luck at the races!
Jessi P

[JustRalph]

Now that is what I call getting it from the Horses mouth.

Jessi, Thanks for clearing that up. Now......give us some winners! ;)

[JackS]

Jessi- I think by now , were all rooting for Savannah. Perhaps if she gets the job, she could keep us a little informed of her likes and dis-likes, problems adventures etc. "Go Savannah go"

[kenwoodallpromos]

There won't be any problems!
We have a couple of trainers on here and I learn a lot about the backside from them.
Sounds like you have a great learning program which must really be needed to help those interested who do not have family directly in racing.
Thank you for coming on.

[kingfin66]

My best advice is to give it back to Suff as good as he's giving it --- good-naturedly. That's what he respects. Believe me, on this board he might seem like a curmudgeonly old fart, but in person -- well, actually in person he is exactly like that. Only not so old. And when you're 21 he'll buy you a drink.

:p

Here is what I want to know about Suff. Many people here at PA have met Suff in person. The unanimous feeling is that he is a great guy. I myself hope to meet some some day. When I meet Suff, and when you all are around Suff, do you call him Mike or Suff. In most cases, I think that our intenet handles are just that, for the internet only. But I could actually see people calling Suff by his internet name. So which is it; Suff? Mike? The King? Mr. Suff?

[Ruffian41772]

see Jessi was real. thank you for clearing everything up Jessi!!!! hopefully if i cant get in this summer my mom said a definate yes for next summer whenever you can fit me in any date cause i'm graduating!!:) (cant wait for that!) i know you have to be tough for the track i just got dissapointed which i think any of you would too! i'm touhger than you think and i was just in a B****y mood today.:)

[sniezer]

Glad your back! You can learn alot on here. Even the guys that aren't from the backside are sharp and know alot about racing. They have lots of interesting debates.


I'd avoid off topics though. It's kind of scary in there.:eek:

[Ruffian41772]

well i just kinda lurk around and read the posts. sometimes i have something to say. i emailed the trainer Jessi and asked her about next year if i cant get in this year. i didnt want her to think i was mad at her. thank you for the warning about off topic. i havent visited there yet!

[JackS]

Savannah- "Ainsle's Complete Guide to Thorobred Horseracing"
This is a MUST read for anyone starting out in the racing business.
If a test were given to qualify as a trainer, the questions and answers would probably come from this book.
Find it used on-line for about 10 bucks.

[the little guy]

This thread is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time. You guys really think the trainer she claimed to be going to work for, the one who was giving her a job that mysteriously disappeared at exactly the same time Suff said he was sending a friend to her barn, also just happened to show up here to defend " Savanah "?

I could tell you more, but the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus are waiting for me on the Lower East Side. Catch you guys later.

[CryingForTheHorses]

Savannah- "Ainsle's Complete Guide to Thorobred Horseracing"
This is a MUST read for anyone starting out in the racing business.
If a test were given to qualify as a trainer, the questions and answers would probably come from this book.
Find it used on-line for about 10 bucks.

This kind of thing has always made me laugh, I sure as hell didnt learn from a horse by reading a book..AND another thing..Who the hell is to say whether you know how to train a horse or not..ITS a matter of opinion.A " horseman" doesnt need a book to study about a test,A good trainer uses common sense. Savannh if you own 3 horses Im sure your a very smart girl on your way to being a excellent horsewoman.People like you are very important in a sport where so much abuse is/has taken place. I appauld you for having the berries to try and make a impact in this sport..PS..If you ever come to Florida look us up..Good Luck to you.

[JackS]

Mc- Let me put it this way. Maybe she doesn't need to read this book but I think she should read it anyway. Would you dissagree?

[Ruffian41772]

thanx! i'll check out the book! i love to read so it wont be a problem for me! i was looking at a racing barn in florida that i might be able to get a job at sometime next year. talked to the trainer a bit but i'm not sure about that one. i was looking at another book online i cant remember what its called but it's all about training tbs and how to look for the right confirmation all that kind of stuff. anymore advice send it my way!:)

[Jessi P]

Little Guy.. did someone look for me at the track this morning? I certainly didn't disappear. We are usually there til about 12:30-1:00, Barn I, stalls 8-24. Stop by anytime. I have 6 that I train, my other half has 15 he trains here (alternating with another 20-25 at the farm in Cleveland) for his boss Bob Guciardo, who is based in Cleveland, runs the jock's kitchen there (Thistledown).

Interesting discussion board. I never would have imagined that there was a BB for handicappers......... but what a great idea.

[Suff]

Interesting discussion board. I never would have imagined that there was a BB for handicappers......... but what a great idea.
You don't know the half of it. :)



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After your first post I went to the Pedigree forum and looked you up. I've been using more pedigree the last few years as a player. I like the pedigree forum, I read it often, and have posted twice. I use the pedigree search(free) when I'm looking at young fillys and colts.

I saw the SUMMER HELP thread you refered to in your orginal PA post. I knew you the real were Jessi.

You worked the backside for years? I'm sure you've walked through many Granstands just the same? You understand our cynisism, I assume.

I can tell you this too. As friendly as some of the posters can be, they were falling all over themselves to help Savannah. ;) :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Thanks

[PaceAdvantage]

Now I'm quite confused. What's the verdict Suff?

[kenwoodallpromos]

She is on Del Mar Fan Forum also; of course there are young people into racing, the NTRA just ignores them!
Savannah- you can find books and 2 vidoes about training racers online by some good people; also there is a national trainer's license site where you can see what they expect you to know.
There is also a couple of trainers on an "ask the experts" free site, 1 is a female. You can find a number of trainers online that work at tracks or have their own training centers.

[kenwoodallpromos]

http://www.racehorsetrainers.com/
Be sure to check the "resources" page too!

[RXB]

This thread is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time. You guys really think the trainer she claimed to be going to work for, the one who was giving her a job that mysteriously disappeared at exactly the same time Suff said he was sending a friend to her barn, also just happened to show up here to defend " Savanah "?

I could tell you more, but the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus are waiting for me on the Lower East Side. Catch you guys later.

You're right, this is funny. Very funny to follow along as people stick their feet into their own mouths.

Welcome to the newcomers. Hope you enjoy the board.

[PaceAdvantage]

Hey RXB, don't be so quick to judge. With what's gone on around here the last 5 years (you may have missed some of the doozys), one can't be too vigilant....especially if one is an admin, such as myself.

I for one am glad there are folks like Suff and TLG to keep people on their toes.

[RXB]

PA, I'm pretty sure that I wasn't the one who was being "quick to judge."

I also wasn't the one who was flat out wrong. At least Suff was going to do a bit of background checking to find out whether she was legit.

So we'll be disagreeing on this one.

[PaceAdvantage]

Flat out wrong? Have there been any conclusions drawn? I'm still waiting on Suff....

Sign me,

Still :confused:

[RXB]

Have to give you that one, PA-- no exact fingerprints yet.

If this turns out to be a sham, I apologize to TLG in advance.

But I don't think that it is. And if it isn't, then I would hope that he withdraws the unflattering comments he made toward the newbie and the trainer.

[KingChas]

Are you guys fixated on this 17 yr old or did you just get out of prison.......................???She or whomever has gotten more replies than half your threads.................LMAO :D

Sorry Pa :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

I don't think it's in TLG's nature to withdraw any type of comment....LOL

[PaceAdvantage]

Hey Chas, I think half the blame has to go to the original poster....

If you look back on most "NEW HERE" type threads, they typically get this kind of action, and this kind of response. And more times than not, these "New Here" type threads are started by people looking to pull your leg, for whatever reason.

It provides a fascinating case study for "message board sociology."

[KingChas]

Hey Chas, I think half the blame has to go to the original poster....

If you look back on most "NEW HERE" type threads, they typically get this kind of action, and this kind of response. And more times than not, these "New Here" type threads are started by people looking to pull your leg, for whatever reason.

It provides a fascinating case study for "message board sociology."

This i do know! :D

Its not me! :lol:

Member in Drag? :D

[KingChas]

Hey Chas, I think half the blame has to go to the original poster....


It provides a fascinating case study for "message board sociology."

PA I think you should write that book...More interesting than the latest capping books on market.I'll buy 1st copy please autograph.Must read.You have the right to use my posts for examples-KC

PS; Serious $$$$$$ :ThmbUp:

[RXB]

This i do know! :D

Its not me! :lol:

Member in Drag? :D

Damn, I'm found out...

Okay, now that I've thought about it, TLG wasn't really badmouthing these two people per se, he was badmouthing two internet posters that he thought were phonies.

So, even though I think he's incorrect on that point, my response was not entirely fair.

[the little guy]

Little Guy.. did someone look for me at the track this morning? I certainly didn't disappear. We are usually there til about 12:30-1:00, Barn I, stalls 8-24. Stop by anytime. I have 6 that I train, my other half has 15 he trains here (alternating with another 20-25 at the farm in Cleveland) for his boss Bob Guciardo, who is based in Cleveland, runs the jock's kitchen there (Thistledown).

Interesting discussion board. I never would have imagined that there was a BB for handicappers......... but what a great idea.Yeah right.

[the little guy]

PA I think you should write that book...More interesting than the latest capping books on market.I'll buy 1st copy please autograph.Must read.You have the right to use my posts for examples-KC

PS; Serious $$$$$$ :ThmbUp:There is less than zero chance this person is " legit"....along with this supposed trainer from WV.

But hey, it's all in good fun, right?

[cj]

Here is what I want to know about Suff. Many people here at PA have met Suff in person. The unanimous feeling is that he is a great guy. I myself hope to meet some some day. When I meet Suff, and when you all are around Suff, do you call him Mike or Suff. In most cases, I think that our intenet handles are just that, for the internet only. But I could actually see people calling Suff by his internet name. So which is it; Suff? Mike? The King? Mr. Suff?

I tend to call him Mike in person or on the phone, though I'm sure suff has come out a few times. I think most of the guys called me CJ at the Spa or our Aqueduct get together, though no one else does or ever has anywhere else. Now that I'm thinking about it, most guys were referred to by their board names if I rememeber right.

[JustRalph]

It provides a fascinating case study for "message board sociology."

a whole new field.............

[Tom]

:p :p (I have no idea when you're supposed to use this icon -- I just like the way it looks. I guess it's supposed to denote playfullness. But it COULD be taken the wrong way. Yes, it is a Friday and I don't feel like working.)


Yes indeed, this could be the post that gets this sucker closed down.

It probably is not best used in the same post where ou are wondering if 17 year old girl is cute! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Tom]

Now that I'm thinking about it, most guys were referred to by their board names if I rememeber right.

Yeah. Tom.

[Tom]

Hey RXB, don't be so quick to judge. With what's gone on around here the last 5 years (you may have missed some of the doozys), one can't be too vigilant....especially if one is an admin, such as myself.

I for one am glad there are folks like Suff and TLG to keep people on their toes.

Reminds me a bit of Frank and Kat..............

[BillW]

Finally some sanity to this thread :eek:

[Tom]

What is this place.....planters.com?? :eek:

[Red Knave]

With a face like that ......you're asking us ?????
Oh, that's not Tom.
It's his evil twin, the one that hears The Voices.

[kenwoodallpromos]

From the website of Arthur Page Public Relations Society:
Quoting Dr. Warren Guthrie, who is considered the father of listening theory, Stacks noted that “Almost all of us hear, but nearly none of us listen.”
I agree, you Phony Dr.!LOL!
All you paranoid gamblers can email Jessi at her listed website if you want.
I believe Savannah, and Jessi, even Though a horse ran 5-25 called Savannah Roda! :p (see, I told you so)!

[highnote]

Ruffian,

We used to have a couple horses running at Mountaineer. Our trainer was Marilyn Marino. I'm sure she'd offer you a lot of good advice if you get a chance to talk with her.

Also, Matt Kintz is a very knowledgeable trainer and a real gentleman.

Both of them are worth looking up while you're there.

John

[Ruffian41772]

i've heard of marilyn and a few people suggested i talk to her. i've been nosing around the internet at differnt trainers. just to see whats out there

[cj]

Did I unwittingly enter "The Twilight Zone?"

[Tom]

Planters is missing a few nuts. :D


You need to remeber whch fonts go with with nut.:rolleyes:

[Jessi P]

You don't know the half of it. You worked the backside for years? I'm sure you've walked through many Granstands just the same? You understand our cynisism, I assume.

Thanks

Hiya Suff (can I ask what Suff means? Short for Suffolk?)

I can certainly understand your skepticism. Just like "Oh YES he is SOUND, just slow" or - as the horse gimps past - "Oh, he has always gone like that." Even better is - "His MOTHER went like that." And let's not forget "He'll win next time FOR SURE, name me back on!" :rolleyes:

We used to have a couple horses running at Mountaineer. Our trainer was Marilyn Marino. I'm sure she'd offer you a lot of good advice if you get a chance to talk with her.

Also, Matt Kintz is a very knowledgeable trainer and a real gentleman.

Marilyn delivers some of our hay, she is a very nice person. I also second the opinion that Matt Kintz is very knowledgeable and a total sweetheart. I have known him almost 10 years since he was at Thistle. He works the Keeneland sales quite frequently. Super nice guy, loads of practical experience, and smart. I have a couple young horses about the same stage as some of his and he asked if we had anything we could work together out of the gate.

For the public knowledge pool: I train 6 horses, my other half Darren Heinrich trains 15-18 at any one time for his boss, Bob Guciardo, who lives/trains in Cleveland and runs the jock's kitchen at Thistledown. They alternate another 20-25 head in and out from a farm in Cleveland.

We have 2 in tomorrow, Kid Chocolate (watch out if he gets loose on the lead with Rex) and Seattle Theme. Seattle Theme won her last start NW3L against older fillies and mares, including some that were stakes placed, the amazing thing is she is only 3 AND a June 12 foal. Tomorrow looks to be her toughest challenge yet in the NW4L, in fact I think she is 5-1 or so ML. Kid has been fourth in his last 2 starts.. was ready to retire and I made the 'drastic' :D training move of stretching him out to 2 turns even tho his owner/breeder said he had never had any success going long previously (as he is a 9 yo, "previous" encompasses many years!).

Good luck at the races!

[Jessi P]

Yeah right.

There is less than zero chance this person is " legit"....along with this supposed trainer from WV.


That's the best you could do? After all that big build up? :lol:

It's ok. Better to question sooner than later. I don't blame you a bit.

On another note.... to all you gamblers:

Who decided it was ok to shell your peanuts and leave the shells lying on the grandstand floor????? My ex hubby did/does that and it makes me nuts. Losing win tickets are one thing, but peanut shells? Or am I just strange about that?

[Tom]

Well, it is Fleet Week in NYC.

Maybe Vetscratch is exilerated from her two-a-day sprint swims out to the troop ships. :lol:

[Jessi P]

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You wouldn't know a bar shoe from a bar fly.

Will you give it up already?



This is pathetic CharlieHo. Go get Grampa Beauragard in here, too, while you're at it and also your daughter bathing in Jack Daniels from Tennessee.

Stockbroker,nurse,lawyer and now a hawsey trainer.

Why don't you post your picture here...you know....the one that shows your nutty countenance.

Can you and Muffian post at the same time ????

OOOOOOOOOO such hostility. :rolleyes: Of course I don't need to point out the fact (because it's so glaringly obvious even to such as yourself) that I have posted pics in my sig line from the get go.

Wait a minute, what was the definition for idiotic - the ability to hold two totally contradictory ideas to be Truths simultaneously with no regard to logic or reason?

Oh - no - that's the definition to irrational, also known as dumb as a stump, moronic, or even blonde in some states.

[so.cal.fan]

Ruffian?
You seem vaguely familiar didn't you used to post on Hottalkers about 5 years ago? I believe you were 17 back in 2000, as well?
Forgive me, if I am mistaken....but I've seen this exact writing style somewhere with the same identity.
If it's you, you'll get run off here and Del Mar quick enough.

[Jessi P]

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To bad they're phony.

Unless you are one of the horse faces.


I think the act is up here. I admit you improved the script a bit, but it's all still fairly transparent.

You go ahead and fool the nice people.

They will get it .

Eventually.

Given the exponential advances in modern science.

Dragging out the big words eh Doc? Too bad that attempt at sophistication followed your extremely weak attempt to insult me. :D Wasn't going to mention your spelling error, but hey, none of us are perfect.

FWIW, the Mountaineer races are shown live for free from the Mountaineer site (what am I saying, this is a handicapping board, any handicapper worth his salt knows you can watch the live feed from Mnr for free online.... ). And yes, that does include the paddock. I will be sure to smile at the camera and wave "hi" to ya tomorrow night Doc. ;)

I have to admit, it has been a very hectic week and I have enjoyed throwing the insults around with you guys. And I am normally such a peace loving soul. :D :D :D

For those of you who post on COTH (chronicleforums.com) I post there as Hobie Cat, which was the name of my jumper when I was a teenager . Most other places I am Jessi P, Jesspzro, or my personal favorite Afterdebreak (as in trainer to jockey "When will you be at the barn to get o my horse?" Rider replies "After de break."

[Suff]

Hiya Suff (can I ask what Suff means? Short for Suffolk?)

I can certainly understand your skepticism. Just like "Oh YES he is SOUND, just slow" or - as the horse gimps past - "Oh, he has always gone like that." Even better is - "His MOTHER went like that." And let's not forget "He'll win next time FOR SURE, name me back on!" :rolleyes:

Good luck at the races!

yes, I just got home from Suffolk Downs. I went down to just get out of the house for a couple of hours and watch/bet the GII Peter Pan.

I blew some of my Belmont Stakes money today. I bet ChekHov/(pulpit)
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A horses gate. His walk. That's a trainers thing. Claiming trainers can size up a horse by watching him walk 40 feet. No Beyer Speed Figure. No past peformances, Just watch him walk, and they know 98% of whats wrong with a Horse.

Groom's, excersice riders, walkers and barn help come in on the next bus at Suffolk.. . They come into a barn stay for a month and jump with all the information to another barn. They all tip the "Buyers" who's on form. Watching a horse walk/excercise and keeping your ear to the ground is how many if not most of the claims are done here. I assume its done that what most places?

Also, the railbirds are'nt all trainers. They are owners (buyers). Guys with 10 grand burning a hole in thier pocket. At Suffolk , the buyers come from all walks of life because we're an urban track. We have our share of shady's.

A barn I know just left your track. Burton Sipp. I've been getting weekly Mountaineer small talk. I talk to guys working Penn National, Philly, CharlesTown etc etc... and Mountaineer works its way into those Bullshit sessions. So I know a couple of back side people there. My friend Jarrod also works there, out frontside.. But none the less. I did get your PM. I saw the links, the photos. I'm sure all is well, (and I'm 99.9% sure it is). You may just pick up the phone this week and hear "Hi Jessi It's Suff!".
You seem like an interesting person, & a talented horsewoman. It'd be my pleasure to say hello to you. but Because you did PM me as the "real" Jessi, its incubment on me to be 100% sure. I think.

[Tom]

This thread is getting inSAIN! :bang:

[Jessi P]

Oooooooooo Burton Sipp. He had one in almost every race here. Does he still have giraffes and other exotics? And has he insured any horses lately? I wouldn't want to pay his premiums with his history.

The claim game...... We claim a lot from word of mouth. And a lot of Chicago horses come in here - Darren can call up buddies there to find out about the horse. Claimable horses pass through a lot of hands here and it usually isn't hard to find someone we know who has had something to do with the horse recently. And someone with half a brain can recognize a horse in the morning if they try hard enough. A big part of claiming is knowing your fellow trainers. I do NOT want to claim from a Larry Rivelli or a Bernie Flint (or any of the Pooles for that matter). Some trainers know how to get all the juice outa the lemon. Some trainers know when to sell a horse (with one win left in the horse so the buyer comes back and buys another when you need to sell one). Other trainers suck the horse dry and hone on it til there is nothing left but a husk - those horses aren't worth feeding. Then again there are the "trainers" who haven't seen the ball since the kickoff, the really clueless ones.

With watching them walk.. I am always suspicious of a horse that looks too clean legged and has a perfect cadence to his walk, with equal drop in his suspensories upon weight bearing. Racehorses aren't perfect, and if I am looking at one to claim it is because it's a runner. Runners will usually end up with something wrong somewhere, a little hitch SOMEWHERE, because if the horse consistently runs hard enough it's going to get sore. If I am looking at a horse I want to claim (which means its a runner) and it looks 110% in the paddock then it's probably been blocked. By the same token, I don't want to see a horse limping around either. There are faults I can live with, others I prefer not to. I don't care for tendons. Here today, gone tomorrow.

[Suff]

Oooooooooo Burton Sipp. He had one in almost every race here. Does he still have giraffes and other exotics? And has he insured any horses lately? I wouldn't want to pay his premiums with his history.
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Sipp was the first Scott Lake on the Philly/NJ circuit. He had a Horse in the Haskell a loooong time ago. Sipp's got land. Big Land, 45 minutes west of Philadelphia, 90 minutes south of NYC. He don't need the money. He was described here at Suffolk as a racing scys dream. He filled a lot of races as a favor. He does have one in every race here. He won nothing at Mnr. His horse's just aren't good enough to win there.

We've seen Horse racing resurrect Deader Ghosts. He's trying to make a go of it. He's been denied everwyhere. Just the fact he went to Mountaineer. entered frequently, followed the rules and kept to his business might help elsewhere. He was given stalls at Delta Downs, then had them taken away before he could enter a horse. If he runs at Suffolk until the end of the year someone may take him for the winter. Not Pennsylvannia. He's deader than dead there. But somewhere.

[sniezer]

Sipp got the OK for stalls in LA a couple months ago. It was too late to go this year but he'll probably be there next winter. My roommate was his blacksmith here at Mountaineer. I know of Sipp's backform, but what I saw here was a man with some money enjoying the game.


Are there anymore doubters about Jess or Ruffian? I'll give 10 to 1 odds if anyone cares to bet. I guess it would be a bit hard to collect when I won though. LOL I'm the one who steered Jess over here from the COTH board.

This thread has been a good chuckle!

[Ruffian41772]

no that was not me! i am 17 THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :bang: HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU PEOPLE THAT??????? HONESTLY HOW DENSE ARE YOU GUYS?????????????????????

[Ruffian41772]

hi,


this is ruffian41772's mother. i distinctly remember going into to labor 17 yrs ago on april 28,1988. thr result was the child you all know as ruffian41772!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol: this is what i looked like 17 yrs ago in labor. yeah my mom wanted to type that and i let her to make her happy. but knowing you guys you'll think i made that up to.

[sniezer]

Well now wasn't that a mature reply.

Ok, the 10 to 1 odds are for Jessi only. I KNOW she's for real.

[Ruffian41772]

okay tell me please why you idiots cant believe it when i say i am 17??? do you have a problem with 17 year olds?????? are you worried that i may know more than you do???????

[Ruffian41772]

how about this. we drop the subject??? you can believe me or you can not believe me that is up to you. it wont bother me either way.

[Zaf]

:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

ZAFONIC

[Steve 'StatMan']

Oh, I'm convinced that someone is 17 years old all right! LOL!!! :D

[Steve 'StatMan']

Sing it ala Janice Ian:

"I learned the truth At Seventeen
That love was meant for beauty queens
And internet posters with mystery smiles
At Seventeen I learned the truth....

And those of us who play the horses
Lacking much social discourses
Desperately remain at home
Inventing posters on our own
Who come and say come play with me
And murmur vague obscurities
At Seventeen...."


:D :kiss: ;)

[Steve 'StatMan']

What's even stranger still:

I did some checking. This is a pretty substantial forum, for horseracing at least.

As best as I can tell, in only 4 days, this thread has made the top 25 if not the top 20 most viewed thread ever on this board. :eek:

The current record, with over 7,000 viewings, (more than twice as this one right now) was recorded in the Off Topic thread regarding the Terry Schiavo case. And that thread lasted, well, I'll kindly say, a lot longer than 4 days.

[so.cal.fan]

Why was this thread taken down this afternoon and then put back up? :confused:

[Steve 'StatMan']

Thanks So. Cal Fan! I thought it had been deleted earlier too!

After this whole thread, I'm glad to know I didn't just imaging that! :)

[so.cal.fan]

I liked it better.....gone.

[BillW]

Why was this thread taken down this afternoon and then put back up? :confused:

It seems that PA performed a "medical" procedure on the thread. :lol:

[Steve 'StatMan']

I liked it better.....gone.

Yeah, I agree. Feel a little bad adding to it tonight - but not that bad! ;)

Sorry kid(s). Uncle Steveo has to go back to work.

[kenwoodallpromos]

There are like 1800 people on this forum, so do not get upset if a couple of them think you type like someone older than 17! :eek:

[ElKabong]

I liked it better.....gone.

Glad I got to see it, tho. :D I need to check out all this "racetalk" over here more. (lol)