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46zilzal
05-12-2005, 04:46 PM
Los Angeles Times

LONDON -- Reports in the British media this month based on documents indicating that President Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair had conditionally agreed by July 2002 to invade Iraq appear to have blown over quickly in Britain. But in the United States, where the reports at first received scant attention, there has been a growing groundswell of indignation among critics of the Bush White House, who say the documents help prove the leaders made a secret decision to oust Saddam Hussein nearly a year before launching their attack, shaped intelligence to that aim, and never seriously intended to avert the war through diplomacy.

Bobby
05-12-2005, 05:07 PM
I don't think this is suprising. Bush is trying to fix what he PERCEIVED as his dads mess

Yea, and the CIA director said it was a "slam dunk" that IRAQ had WMD. :D

Kreed
05-12-2005, 05:28 PM
Daddy's little boy makes good at deceiving Americans. It's really not that hard
to do --- Americans are so trusting (at first) and WE always assume leaders deserve our loyalty. We don't think of massive deception, but hey, WE must get past this, and NOW WHAT? Become like Israel in a quagmire for the next 500 years? But this country is ON A TOTAL PATH OF CRAP ... its not irreversible,
but its NOT on the right path. Even if Iraq had WMD, why us? Why must WE
take on that karma?

Secretariat
05-12-2005, 08:51 PM
Since this is called "wonder about this" here goes. Obviously, the explosive British intelligence document which the "liberal" media refuses to cover in this country is a real "wonder about this". But here's another "wonder about this". Wonder what the Prez does during a red alert? Kind of reminds you of the kindergarten "goat story" thing...

"May 12th, 2005 1:09 pm
On a Bicycle in Beltsville, Blissfully Unaware

By Dana Milbank / Washington Post

When the state of red alert was declared yesterday, the vice president was evacuated from the White House and the first lady was whisked to a secure location. But no precautions were needed for President Bush.

He was out at the Patuxent Wildlife Research Center in Beltsville, riding his bicycle -- at noon on a Wednesday -- blissfully unaware. "The decision was made to inform the president upon conclusion of his bike ride," Bush press secretary Scott McClellan said later.

It was not the first time a crisis has focused uninvited attention on the Bush fitness routine. On a weekday morning in February 2001, when a gun-wielding man was shot outside the White House, it quickly emerged that Vice President Cheney was working in his office, while Bush was exercising in his residence.

Bush opponents have tried -- to no avail -- to profit politically from the president's leisure activities. Anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore poked fun at Bush's long vacation in Texas before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and his admonition on the golf course to "watch this drive" after commenting on Middle East violence.

But the president, while scaling back the golf outings, has made little effort to conceal his more cardiovascular activities -- inviting reporters on occasion to go running with him and, after his knees worsened, to go mountain biking.

Bush told Runner's World magazine in 2002 that his running times "have become faster right after the war began." He added: "For me, the psychological benefit is enormous. You tend to forget everything that's going on in your mind and just concentrate on the time, distance or the sweat."

Still, McClellan couched his explanation of Bush's activity yesterday carefully, reminding listeners of Bush's trip to Europe.

"First of all, as you all are aware, the president was off-site, getting in a bike ride after returning from a four-day trip overseas," he said.

The small group of reporters who escorted Bush to Beltsville reported that they heard nothing of the plane scare until after it was over.

In follow-up answers e-mailed to reporters late in the day, McClellan said that Bush's Secret Service detail was informed soon after the incident began but that they chose not to disturb the perspiring president. After an hour and 24 minutes on the trails, Bush went back to work."

PaceAdvantage
05-12-2005, 09:37 PM
Sounds like completely unbiased reporting to me....

That's from the Washington Post? Pathetic reporting if you ask me....a reporter is not supposed to editorialize, unless this was indeed an editorial. I can't tell from what you posted, but since there is a byline, I am assuming it is supposed to be a news report.

Tom
05-12-2005, 11:36 PM
Gee, you mean a lefty "newsman" would slant the news to support his politics?

Who'da thunk it?

Uh, is not this exactly what he is accusing Bush and Blair of doing? Shaping intelligence to fit their plans. :confused: :confused: :confused: :D

betchatoo
05-13-2005, 07:35 AM
I'm pretty much staying out of off topic responses these days, but I've read this article several times and I'm not sure of what bias you are accusing the reporter. He just notes that other people made a decision not to inform the president of something during his workout. I'm not sure why you consider that to be a knock on Bush.

PaceAdvantage
05-13-2005, 10:14 AM
Betchatoo,

I'll throw out this this phrase to start the "bias" ball rolling....

"blissfully unaware"

That should be enough for now. Discuss amongst yourselves.

46zilzal
05-13-2005, 10:49 AM
I'm not sure of what bias you are accusing the reporter. He just notes that other people made a decision not to inform the president of something during his workout. I'm not sure why you consider that to be a knock on Bush.
just asking what this is all about no bias one way or the other

46zilzal
05-13-2005, 11:59 AM
confused your repsonses to the TWO differing articles...No wonder it did not make sense!

betchatoo
05-13-2005, 01:17 PM
Betchatoo,

I'll throw out this this phrase to start the "bias" ball rolling....

"blissfully unaware"

That should be enough for now. Discuss amongst yourselves.

I think you're overreacting. Possibly the word "blissfully" was unnecessary, but as someone who is vocal about not liking the job Bush is doing as President, I didn't find this as someway to deride him. Actually, I'm happy the President cares about his health and has a way to relieve stress. If the plane constituted a clear and present danger that he needed to be aware of and deal with, the only fault lies with the secret service men who decided not to inform him.