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Equineer
04-25-2005, 10:47 PM
Here is AP news about OIL and Saudi Arabia that will be read by neo-cons and conservatives alike.

Hapless neo-cons will probably be duped into thinking Bush is making progress towards curbing oil/gas prices and spreading democracy. The text in RED will stick in their minds: Bush's "prodding" of Prince Abdullah to increase oil production.
White House "hopes" that reported plans to ramp up Saudi oil production will ease gas prices.
Bush advisor Hadley's assertion that current high prices reflect a shortfall in oil production capacity.
The recently lauded occasion of Saudi Arabia's first-ever national election.
Enlightened conservatives are not so easily fooled. The text in BLUE will give them cause for apprehension and raise questions: Since the Saudi plan to increase oil production was announced months ago, and does not represent a new concession to the U.S., exactly what trade concessions did Abdullah and Al-Jubeir get in return for simply acknowledging to the media what the oil industry already knew?
Is Hadley right about oil production capacity? Current Saudi production capacity already exceeds demand by a ratio of 11 to 9.5. As note by Al-Jubeir, "Saudi Arabia is producing all the oil that its customers are requesting" without approaching the current limits of Saudi production capacity.
In fact, Al-Jubeir bluntly challenges Hadley by asserting that a worldwide shortfall in efficient refining capacity, rather than raw production capacity, is the major problem confronting oil dependent economies.
While the recent Saudi elections sound positive, no one with any authority got elected by an all-male electorate. And the joint statement about Saudi internal affairs is hardly a concession to spreading American-style democracy.
Excessive kissing and hugging seem incongruous with a superpower "prodding" a despotic monarchy for meaningful concessions.
Bush Urges Saudis to Boost Oil Production (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050425/D89MNV280.html)

CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) - President Bush prodded Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Abdullah on Monday to help curb skyrocketing oil prices, and the White House expressed hope that the kingdom's plans would ease U.S. gasoline prices that have shot above $2.20 a gallon.

"A high oil price will damage markets, and he knows that," Bush said of Abdullah, the de facto leader of the desert kingdom.

Asked whether pump prices would drop, Bush said that would depend on supply and demand.

"One thing is for certain: The price of crude is driving the price of gasoline," Bush said. "The price of crude is up because not only is our economy growing, but economies such as India and China's economies are growing."

Saudi Arabia has outlined a plan to increase production capacity to 12.5 million barrels a day by 2009 from the current 11 million limit. Saudi Arabia now pumps about 9.5 million barrels daily. If necessary, Saudi Arabia says it will eventually develop a capacity of 15 million barrels a day.

National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley said the plan could be seen as positive news by financial markets.

"The problem in the oil market now is a perception that there is inadequate capacity," Hadley said. Reassurance that can be given to the market on available supply, he said, should "have a downward pressure on the price."

On another economic issue, the United States and Saudi Arabia are on the verge of a bilateral trade agreement that would allow the Gulf nation to join the World Trade Organization by the end of the year, Abdullah's foreign affairs adviser, Adel Al-Jubeir, told reporters.

Other issues, including terrorism, prospects for peace between the Israelis and Palestinians, Syria's role in Lebanon, and democratic change in the Middle East, filled the leaders' meeting and discussion over lunch. They agreed to set up a high-level committee, headed by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and the Saudi foreign minister, to deal with strategic issues.

Spreading democracy is a second-term goal that could affect Bush's legacy, yet high gas prices are a drag on his popularity.

A recent Associated Press-AOL poll found the public giving the president low marks for his handling of energy problems, with 62 percent saying they disapproved. Earlier in April, another AP survey found public dissatisfaction growing more generally, with Bush's job approval rating at 44 percent.

Bush has been urging Congress to pass his energy plan, but even the president has said that it will do little to give motorists short-term relief from high gas prices. In Washington, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., said Bush's meeting with Abdullah was a reminder of America's dependence on foreign oil. He said fewer than 5 percent of the incentives in the energy bill were devoted to developing alternative energy sources.

Kerry said U.S. dependence on foreign oil tethers the United States to unstable regions of the world. "We risk being drawn into dangerous conflicts, and an already overburdened military is increasingly stretched too thin," he said.

Al-Jubeir said Saudi Arabia is producing all the oil that its customers are requesting. He said the price is being driven up by a shortage of refining capacity.

"What we have done is explain to the U.S. what our production capabilities are," he told reporters about the meeting. "We also explained to the U.S. - and we have for months - what our plans are for adding to that capacity in the future years."

A U.S. push for democratic change across the Arab world faces a difficult test with Saudi Arabia, a longtime ally ruled by a monarchy. Last week, Saudi Arabia completed its first nationwide elections, an experiment in democracy designed to take the steam out of militant Islamic movements.

The council posts that were on the ballots, however, have little power, and women were not allowed to vote. Moreover, the United States has long-standing concerns about human and civil rights in Saudi Arabia.

A joint statement by the two leaders reflected tensions over the issue of democratic change. It said: "While the United States considers that nations will create institutions that reflect the history, culture and traditions of their societies, it does not seek to impose its own style of government on the government and people of Saudi Arabia."

Both nations also agreed to cooperate in fighting terrorists. U.S.-Saudi relations were strained after the 2001 terrorist attacks, in which 15 of the 19 airplane hijackers were Saudis. But American officials have been much more satisfied with anti-terror efforts the Saudis have undertaken since militants' May 2003 attacks in Riyadh.

The president was accused during last year's presidential campaign of being too cozy with Saudi officials. But he paid such criticism no public mind. On Monday, he offered Abdullah a warm embrace and a kiss on both cheeks and gripped his hand as they disappeared into an office building on the ranch where bluebonnets, the Texas state flower, were making their spring debut.

Before he left Crawford, Abdullah bought chips, a Snickers bar and cookies at a local store and restaurant called the Coffee Station where a gallon of regular gas was selling for $2.18.

PaceAdvantage
04-26-2005, 03:21 AM
Do you ever just sit back and wonder why on Earth it is you do what you do here on the off-topic section of a horse racing message board?

If nothing else, I suppose it is a bit fascinating for those with morbid curiosity...sort of like looking at a car wreck at the side of the road....you just gotta click on the latest pablum from vEtQuineer....

WE GET IT. YOU DON'T LIKE BUSH. Get on with your life!

Secretariat
04-26-2005, 09:41 AM
Excellent article Eq.

PaceAdvantage
04-26-2005, 10:10 AM
Excellent article Eq.

If you're a fan of the movie Groundhog Day, then I suppose it's excellent....

ljb
04-26-2005, 02:39 PM
Do you ever just sit back and wonder why on Earth it is you do what you do here on the off-topic section of a horse racing message board?

If nothing else, I suppose it is a bit fascinating for those with morbid curiosity...sort of like looking at a car wreck at the side of the road....you just gotta click on the latest pablum from vEtQuineer....

WE GET IT. YOU DON'T LIKE BUSH. Get on with your life!
PA,
Now that you have attempted to slur the poster, do you have an opinion on the topic?

PaceAdvantage
04-26-2005, 03:53 PM
Nope.

And anyone who was originally banned but comes back under another name is fair game for anything I care to dish out.

Equineer
04-26-2005, 05:01 PM
PA,
Now that you have attempted to slur the poster, do you have an opinion on the topic?LJB,

Do you ever wonder if PA might be a fortunate heir to the Melmac dishware fortune? His seemingly inexhaustible supply of empty "dishes" is certainly quite impressive! :)

hcap
04-26-2005, 05:38 PM
Whatever you do guys, DON'T sit in a circle!!!

:ThmbUp: :ThmbDown: :ThmbUp: :ThmbDown: :ThmbUp:

:blush:

Equineer
04-26-2005, 06:08 PM
Do you ever just sit back and wonder why on Earth it is you do what you do here on the off-topic section of a horse racing message board?

If nothing else, I suppose it is a bit fascinating for those with morbid curiosity...sort of like looking at a car wreck at the side of the road....you just gotta click on the latest pablum from vEtQuineer....

WE GET IT. YOU DON'T LIKE BUSH. Get on with your life!You posted that 9/11 is an emotional hot button for you. (http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=185871&postcount=4)

This is why your lack of comment on the AP news article is both surprising and disappointing.

The ruthless and oppressive nature of the Saudi monarchial regime is not a matter of controversy, evidence of significant funding funneled through Saudi clerics to international terrorists by hypocritical Saudi Royals was cited by the 9/11 Commission, and 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudis.

But you have no comment when Prince Abdullah sits Bush down like a pimpled Crawford schoolboy and dictates this official joint proclamation for his signature:

"While the United States considers that nations will create institutions that reflect the history, culture and traditions of their societies, it does not seek to impose its own style of government on the government and people of Saudi Arabia."

This joint statement is nothing short of servile acquiesce to the agenda of the Saudi Royals. Enlightened readers around the world can plainly see who is the boss, and who is the underboss, in the Saudi/Bush relationship. How did you miss it?

When Abdullah returns to Riyadh, he will almost certainly get high-fives from his fellow Saudi Royals, and will probably exalt by exclaiming "Veni, Vidi, Vici" with respect to his meeting with Bush in Crawford. :(

PaceAdvantage
04-26-2005, 07:23 PM
The next time Saudi Arabia launches missiles at our pilots or lobs a couple into Israel, you let me know.

Just because a majority of the 9/11 hijackers were said to be of Saudi Arabian descent doesn't mean they were operating under the direction of the S.A. government. There's a big distinction at play here, one I'm glad our government has obviously made. 9/11 was a tricky situation, no doubt about it. No matter what our response, criticism will abound, and for years down the road.

BTW, are you going to post any pictures of Bush holding hands with the crowned prince, or maybe an "air kiss" or two? Or are you holding those back for a later date....you know....don't want to blow your whole wad at once....

PaceAdvantage
04-26-2005, 07:25 PM
And as a footnote, do you realize that we get a very small percentage of our oil from Saudi Arabia? Apparently, we have little refinery capacity in this country to process the type of oil Saudi Arabia produces....

However, they do influence the price of oil worldwide, no doubt, and Bush of course must employ diplomacy whenever it is rightly called for....

Would you rather he punch the guy in the nose and spit on him after he lands here, just because many of the hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi-born?

Tim McVeigh was an American....what does that prove? All Americans are terrorists who go around blowing up federal buildings?

Tom
04-26-2005, 08:07 PM
Story on the news tonight with an actual tape recording of high Sorry Arabian officials encouraging/condoning thier citizens to go to Iraw and take up arms against us. I just do no trust the sorries and feel they are an enemy of the US.


BTW.....the cracks about Bush holding hands with the Sorry dude..I got it covered in another thread. :D

Tom
04-26-2005, 08:10 PM
Now I am confured here.....the real reasons for high gas prices are primarily Chinneses demand and lack of capacity in our refineries. How does increasing the output of crude oil help us? We can't process it.:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Secretariat
04-26-2005, 08:15 PM
....the cracks about Bush holding hands with the Sorry dude..I got it covered in another thread. :D

GW just better watch going to Alabama. They reported tonight on the news they're banning anything gay including Tennessee William's plays. There is also debate that Elton John's music will not be permitted to be listened to there as well.

I don't know if GW holding the Saudi Prince hand will qualify or not.

Equineer
04-27-2005, 08:50 AM
There has not been a new commercial nuclear reactor ordered in the U.S. since 1973.

There has not been a new oil refinery built within the U.S. in nearly three decades.

DUH???

Why does it take a visit from the Saudi Royals to wake up hibernating neo-con minds? (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050427/D89NIOH00.html)

Maybe we should bring Abdullah and Al-Jubeir back to form an interim U.S. government until the 2008 elections.

BTW, the rosy neo-con spin on Bush's meeting with Abdullah was not what the rest of the world digested. Australian readers (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,15096354%255E663,00.html) are probably wondering if Bush will attempt to re-cycle his bogus WMD evidence in order to justify invading Venezuela.

I rather doubt, however, that Bolton (http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/BoltonUNAmbassador/main.asp) waiving murky satellite images and a vial of Creme de Cocoa will convince Tony Blair and John Howard to stumble behind the bungling Bush a second time, when he redefines the Axis of Evil as Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea.

Of course, Venezuela really is a paper tiger compared to Iraq, and it is Spanish-speaking, so maybe what Bush has in mind is a "make good" on his "Mission Accomplished" and "Border Patrol" follies by implementing a selective draft for Spanish-speaking Americans and knocking off Venezuela in short order. After that, who knows... could there really be WMDs in Grenada?