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Secretariat
04-19-2005, 09:34 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&ncid=535&e=3&u=/ap/20050419/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_050419182826
PaceAdvantage
04-19-2005, 10:38 PM
You are on fire tonight! Like a machine gun firing out posts and links left and right!
I think I'll go dig up one of those "John Kerry ain't gonna give up this easily...the election is rigged, votes were thrown out...Bush still hasn't won" posts and give myself a little chuckle.
lsbets
04-19-2005, 11:33 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Secretariat
04-20-2005, 11:30 AM
So PA the answer to the article is to avoid addressing it?
Lefty
04-20-2005, 11:44 AM
sec, I thght it was so we could steal their oil. Oh, guess all you libs were wrong about that. So, guess I don't know the answer. Maybe lbj can find a lib blog that will enlighten us. Or maybe you can. No, that won't work. I hear a lot of libs complaining now that we DIDN'T steal the oil.
NoDayJob
04-20-2005, 01:54 PM
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
This forum is much funnier than the Comedy Channel.
NDJ
sec, I thght it was so we could steal their oil. Oh, guess all you libs were wrong about that. So, guess I don't know the answer. Maybe lbj can find a lib blog that will enlighten us. Or maybe you can. No, that won't work. I hear a lot of libs complaining now that we DIDN'T steal the oil.
Lefty,
There are many answers you don't know. Where is the oil?
46zilzal
04-20-2005, 03:02 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/04/20/iraq.main/index.html
Isn't this a civil war now?
lsbets
04-20-2005, 03:39 PM
No.
46zilzal
04-20-2005, 04:01 PM
Not like Chechnya, Vietnam, Rwanda, Bosnia, East Timor and a myriad of other places with distinct ethinic factions sturuggling for RULING supremacy?
Lefty
04-20-2005, 06:43 PM
lbj, the Iraqui oil is still in Iraq, cause ya see we didn't steal it and we weren't there to steal it. It's you that seems most dense on these matters. WE on the other hand have lottsa oil in the good ol' U.S.A. and alls we gotta do is drill for it. If ya don't wanna do that kindly shut up about energy prices!
Well then Lefty, If they got all that oil how come we gotta put up the bucks to build their schools?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/04/20/iraq.main/index.html
Isn't this a civil war now?
46,
If this is a civil war, perhaps we should send some troops over there to help calm things down. Oh wait a minute we already did that. :D :D :D
Lefty
04-20-2005, 07:05 PM
Guess you hafta ask Bush that. But it just might have to do with our own best interest as well as compassion. What the hell has happened to all that freakin' liberal compassion i've always heard about? Is it only for criminals and the criminally lazy? Seems so.
BTW, lbj, didja ever notice that you're always full of questions and never have any answers? Didja ever notice that every time I ask something about the libs' behavior or speech, you never have heard of what i'm talking about? Are you even a wee bit embarrassed?
Guess you hafta ask Bush that. But it just might have to do with our own best interest as well as compassion. What the hell has happened to all that freakin' liberal compassion i've always heard about? Is it only for criminals and the criminally lazy? Seems so.
BTW, lbj, didja ever notice that you're always full of questions and never have any answers? Didja ever notice that every time I ask something about the libs' behavior or speech, you never have heard of what i'm talking about? Are you even a wee bit embarrassed?
Sorry Lefty, I only have so much time in a day and as mentioned before when I want to watch something light and nonsensical I usually opt for Brady Bunch re-runs. This explains why I have never heard of most of the cute little stories you relay to us from faux.
Oh and I don't have the credentials to ask Bush anything. You know swearing allegiance etc. just to get into one of his fake town hall meetings.
Lefty
04-20-2005, 08:12 PM
lbj, right, only so much time in a day, so you don't know what the hell's going on but feel qualified to comment anyway. Typical. I'd say that maybe the Brady Bunch just about right for you.
Lefty, Lefty, Lefty
I tried to tell you. Only when I want diversion do I watch something like Brady Bunch or faux.
Lefty
04-20-2005, 09:01 PM
lbj, lbj, lbj, what has that got to do with your ignorance about what your fellow libs have done or said? And you just show more ignorance when you call the ONLY fair and balanced news faux. I am laughing at you. If you watched you would see that they are constantly giving the liberal viewpoint and are constantly interviewing liberals. But I don't imagine you give one whit about fair and balanced, you guys had it your own way many yrs and are shocked by the other side getting a chance to speak.
Lefty,
If they are interviewing liberals on faux, they are most likely fake liberals like faux's other fake experts. :D
Lefty
04-20-2005, 11:07 PM
lbj, now you are really showing your complete ignorance about Fox News. They have interviewed many top libs and have had many top libs as commentators. LOL
lbj, now you are really showing your complete ignorance about Fox News.
You trust a news source owned and operated by Non-Americans? Whats your secondary source for news? Al-Jazeera?
I'll trust an American , before I trust a Foreigner, for my news.
Lefty
04-21-2005, 11:33 AM
suff, this sounds more like lbj than you. Even though Fox News owned by Rupert Murdoch all one has to do is watch Fox News and compare it to all other networks and unless you're really dense you can see and hear with your own eyes and ears how fair they are. A lot of libs get their "talking points" from moveon.org and that's funded by a non-american also. Try again, Suff you failed miserably and hit below the belt.
AND, who am I to ble, you or my lying eyes?
AND, Fox is bigger than all other Cable Network news and impinging on the big 3. Are all these Americans stupid or you just way way offbase?
AND, Fox employs more liberals than the other channels employ conservatives, so who's really stacking the deck here?
AND Fox is constantly interviewing liberals so once again, isn't that fair.
Listen and Watch and you must admit the truth of it all.
Even though Fox News owned by Rupert Murdoch all one has to do is watch Fox News and compare it to all other networks and unless you're really dense you can see and hear with your own eyes and ears how fair they are.
AND, who am I to ble, you or my lying eyes?
AND, Fox is bigger than all other Cable Network news and impinging on the big 3. Are all these Americans stupid or you just way way offbase?
Lefty, And why is Desperate Housewifes such a hit?
Lefty
04-21-2005, 12:18 PM
lbj, I have no idea. I've never watched it. What does an entertainment show have to do with the news?
Heres a Q for you? Who was cght being faux, CBS or Fox? BTW, on various other shows other networks have been cght doctoring stories in the past? Do you remember? Course ya don't!
suff, this sounds more like lbj than you. Even though Fox News owned by Rupert Murdoch all one has to do is watch Fox News and compare it to all other networks and unless you're really dense you can see and hear with your own eyes and
They are all! Everyone of them... Marketeers.... Thats all. They sell Cars, Coca-cola, Beer, etc..etc..
I watch C-span. Thats where I make my mind up who's who and whats what.
Why anyone would rely on FOX , CNN, ABC or any mainstream outlet for anything less than HEADLINES & ENTERTAINMENT.... is beyond me.
If you want information ,,,in LARGE Dose's, Watch C-span and Read the internet. If you want marketeers trying to sell products and use NEWS as the tool....watch FOX.
oh yeah.. Lefty.. One more thing. Every time you Type the words "Libs" or you insult a Liberal for the next 30 days... I am going to send a $1.00 to the ACLU. And I mean it. I'll keep track of them...and send a check a week.(capped at a $1000.00)
So keep insulting liberals.. Everytime you do, I send a Buck to the ACLU.
And I intend on writing on the check.. From "Lefty at Pace Advantage" Keep fighting the Good Fight!
OK, Lefty......break the bank! That "lib" organization, ACLU needs money. :D
Quote this post.....first $10 for the commie lawyers.
Lib, lib, lib, lib, lib, lib, lib, lib. :lol:
lbj, I have no idea. I've never watched it. What does an entertainment show have to do with the news?
Heres a Q for you? Who was cght being faux, CBS or Fox? BTW, on various other shows other networks have been cght doctoring stories in the past? Do you remember? Course ya don't!
Well Lefty,
Suff already gave the correct response to your question. Desperate Housewifes is popular because it is entertainment. Much like faux infotainment or Rush. During the Schiavo situation, faux had at least two fake experts. This is documented. One was introduced as a Nobel prize nominee and the other as a professor at one of the prestige colleges in California. I also know the other networks use questionable tactics in their news reporting. I like Suff, watch C-Span. Faux is the worst offender of fake news.
And I mean it. I'll keep track of them...and send a check a week.(capped at a $1000.00)
.. From "Lefty at Pace Advantage" Keep fighting the Good Fight!
Clarification: Thats the Cap for the month... not the week....
Lefty
04-21-2005, 06:40 PM
suff, it's called capitalism. Are you so lost in your socialist world you don't understand that? Guess you are when you say you give money to the ACLU. You do know they defend Nambla don'tcha, and they stand foresquare to destroy every religious symbol in this country. Nice people...
Lefty
04-21-2005, 06:41 PM
lbj, I wonder if Fox so bad why all those liberals keep appearing there? Masochists?
46zilzal
04-21-2005, 06:49 PM
lbj, I wonder if Fox so bad why all those liberals keep appearing there? Masochists?
Folks get paid
Lefty
04-21-2005, 07:03 PM
46, but I doubt if a liberal would take a commentator's job and denigrate themselves with their fellow libs if Fox was really bad. And interviewees don't get paid. Hmmm. Anyone with half a brain can see and hear for themselves that Fox goes overboard to be fair and balanced. I Guess that's what it takes though...
suff, it's called capitalism. Are you so lost in your socialist world you don't understand that? Guess you are when you say you give money to the ACLU. You do know they defend Nambla don'tcha, and they stand foresquare to destroy every religious symbol in this country. Nice people...
The ACLU does'nt represent anything but the Constitution. When it gets Violated they are there. And because Fringe, and illegal, and perhaps even immoral orginizations operate under scrutiny, they are frequently embroiled in constitutional cases. It only requires a little thought to understand that.
The ACLU will always be defending Fringe groups. Because when anyone, whether it be the GOVT, or Religion, or individuals, attacks civil rights & Privacy rights, thats where they start. They chip away at the Fringe. And the Fringe gets closer to the center...and pretty soon... ,,well Human History tells us what happens when that happens. Societys Disappear.
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Homosexuals
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Homosexual.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me
You see it now.. In guys like you Lefty... The Liberals are No good and Bad for america, and the ACLU is no good, and Mexico is our enemy, and Iraq is our enemy, and Canada is a Bunch of Commies, The entire middle East is against us, and France is a Weak Knee, and all of Europe are elitist snobs who look down thier nose at you, and CNN is a Commie, and the NY Time's is a Socialist, and the list goes on and on..
When the hell did we come up with all these enemies? huh? Bring it on? Thats the message you have for me and the world? You and your Lily white christian, wal-mart luvin , high moral'd , judgemental pea-brains? Who listen to Bill O'rielly, who worked for INSIDE EDITION for 10 years? And he told America who was Gay, and who was sleeping with who, and who wore who's gown down the Red Carpet? And who's movie tanked, and who's beverly Hills home had a Pool..... THATS!Your guy? Thats the guy? The guy you worship? funny , funny funny...
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Lefty
04-21-2005, 07:18 PM
suff, you really think they're doing a good thing by DEFENDING Nambla? If yuh think so I certainly don't want you or anyone like around my grandkids.
You libs always think defending this country against our enemies is a bad thing and I will always oppose you. You think capitalism is bad yet you profit from it.
You really think ACLU has ever defended religion? How is that possible when they're tearing this countries moral values to shreds and then they have the gall and temerity to hide behind the consitution... Hey, I may be lily white but I see nothing wronmg with capitalism and stores like Walmart epitomize that capitalism.I watch O'Reilly and regardless of his past he strives to be in the middle and i certainly don't agree with everything he says. I watch him, but he's not my hero. Rush is my hero; he's the guy that finally got a conservative viewpoint on the air and now the conservative philosophy is everywhere while Air America has only a few listeners and you're prob. 1 of them, sokeep it up, they need yuh.
So if yuh wanna get nasy Mr liberal who's helping the farleft tear down this country, then all i can say wiseguy is BRING IT ON!
suff, you really think they're doing a good thing by DEFENDING Nambla? If yuh think so I certainly don't want you or anyone like around my grandkids.
!
This is why You can't have a discussion with a Pea-brain like you.. who just spouts "DEFENDING NAMBLA>.. DEFENDING NAMBLA>>> DEFENDING NAMBLE>>> CULTURE OF LIFE < CULTURE OF LIFE...
Jesus F'ng christ. Do you read? Do you calculate? Or are you a simpleton who lives life on slogans?
You have not a F'ing clue what your talking about.
Two Parents of a Murdered Little boy (in my hometown by the way) are suing NAMBLA because they say.. NAMBLA is responsible for the murder (indirectly), and the ACLU is defending the 1st amendment principle that Publishers are not responsible for the actions of its readers. Its IS NOT defending NAMBLA. It is Defending the right of someone to write a non-fiction book about sex, or a fictional book about sci-fi, and not be held liable if a reader bases his actions on something he read! Its that Simple...
It has Nothing to do with what NAMBLA actually does.. And it only takes a Brief second to read the case to see that. It just so happens that this is a $200 Million Dollar CIVIL case , with High Powered attorneys and there are no Public law firms that can financially handle the burden of a LONG DRAWN OUT CONSTITUTIONAL CASE!!
And if your really concerned about your Gandchildren being sexually abused, I'd advise you to keep them away from the NEW POPE and his Ilk.
Amen to that Brother.
The National Review... Mr Buckleys Magazine.. teh MOST CONSERVATIVE PUBLICATION IN AMERICA
February 27, 2004, 9:20 a.m.
No Boy Scouts
The ACLU defends NAMBLA.
An old friend of mine once said this about the American Civil Liberties Union: "They're a bunch of whale-saving, criminal-loving pinkos — and thank God for them."
This remark nicely summarizes the ambivalence with which many people regard the ACLU. Few organizations dance closer to the very edge of the loony-Left precipice than it does. There seems to be no thug too hardened nor any cause too exotic for the ACLU to champion. At the same time, if America ever were unlucky enough to face a president who decided to remain in the Oval Office past her expiration date, the ACLU would battle her and her junta with every sharp courtroom argument, pointed legal filing, and well-aimed briefcase it could muster
Lefty
04-21-2005, 07:33 PM
BTW, suff, Iraq IS our enemy and those other countries you mention continually badmouth us. What damn side is the left on in this country? You guys are for every body and everything as long as they're against us? I just don't understand it and never will.
Utopia doesn't exist and never will and the only way we'll keep what we have is to fight for it.
God Bless George W. Bush!
continually badmouth us. .
Holy shit... someone said something negative about America?
We'd better Nuke'um just to be safe!
Lefty
04-21-2005, 07:38 PM
suff, i've tried to have a decent conversation with you but when you insult the new Pope and Catholics everywhere and defend Nambla and the ACLU then there's no hope for it. If there's a peabrain around here, I submit, it's not me. Go wallow in your Socialism.
BTW, just for the record, i'm not Catholic and have no religious affliation whatsoever.
suff, i've tried to have a decent conversation with you but when you insult the new Pope and Catholics everywhere and defend Nambla and the ACLU then there's no hope for it. If there's a peabrain around here, I .
You know anything about the RAMPANT sexual abuse by Catholic Priests in America? Do you? They all belong in Prison. And that SOB cardinal bernard law was directly complicit in the SEXUAL ABUSE Of 100's of little boys.
Who to this day, as a result of his actions, are 6 feet under, or , sitting in a prsion cell, or mired in drug and alcohol abuse, or walking around wearing a dress....and that guy voted for the new pope? and said a Funeral mass for John Paul?
I laugh at the Hypocrisy... Because I know.
Lefty
04-21-2005, 07:46 PM
"someone said something bad about America...." Yes, suff and you have joined them and defend them and to me that's sickening.
"someone said something bad about America...." Yes, suff and you have joined them and defend them and to me that's sickening.
My dad fought, and I served, so you could have the right to watch cartoons, gobble down bowls of ice cream and frosted Flakes, and bad mouth america and its freedom.
Your in the "Culture of Cartoons"
btw
The ACLU and I thank you... You have generated $29.00 dollars for them..JUST TONIGHT!!!
Thank you...
At least now you can say you have actually contibuted to America's freedoms!
Lefty
04-21-2005, 07:55 PM
suff, I feel the same way about Cardinal Law as you do btw, Bill Oreilly agrees with us in that regard and there was some Catholic Priests who did some terrible things and shoulda paid the price but is that a reson to denigrate the new Pope and the Catholic Religion?
I hate hyprocrisy too, that's why I don't like most liberals; especially those in Wash. that have sold poor working stiiffs like you a line of crap.
PaceAdvantage
04-21-2005, 07:56 PM
And if your really concerned about your Gandchildren being sexually abused, I'd advise you to keep them away from the NEW POPE and his Ilk.
Amen to that Brother.
Thanks for offending me in a vulgar manner, yet again....
But, since religion is this decade's new dirty word, I guess it's ok to offend millions of Catholics like you just did.
You hate it when others paint with a broad brush, but I see that didn't stop you in this case.
Thanks again.
suff, I feel the same way about Cardinal Law as you do btw, Bill Oreilly agrees with us in that regard and there was some Catholic Priests who did some terrible things and shoulda paid the price but is that a reson to denigrate the new Pope and the Catholic Religion?
I hate hyprocrisy too,.
Yea.. Lefty.. Forget.. I hate it when I go over the Top and Insult you...
You just get under my skin sometimes... I'm sorry.
I'm still sending the $29.00
that's why I don't like most liberals; especially those in Wash. that have sold poor working stiiffs like you a line of crap
Make it $30.00
Lefty
04-21-2005, 07:59 PM
suff, my dad and my uncle fght too and i tried to join. BTW, it's not me that has badmouthed America. You have me mixed up with you, Suff. And as far as cartoon warching, well that'd be lbj and kreed, i reckon.
I stand with our Pres in defending this country against all comers. Kudos to your dad for doing that too.
Thanks for offending me in a vulgar manner, yet again....
But, since religion is this decade's new dirty word, I guess it's ok to offend millions of Catholics like you just did.
You hate it when others paint with a broad brush, but I see that didn't stop you in this case.
Thanks again.
Please? Are you serious... Child abuse was rampant to the very reach's of the Cathloic Church>>>> and what? You want people to pass on that?
Your kidding right? Pedophile Priests are a HUGE problem for the church...
Kreed
04-21-2005, 08:02 PM
Suff, do you write pro? I dont wanna pry, but you have a "way w/ words" --
unlike Lefty & Keilan & BoxCar, por example. Lefty is largely illogical & without
Equal there: BoxCar, wordy, like those Enron Accountants proving why a night
out at a TopLess Bar was just business, when the tab was $3,500. And Keilan,
what can I say, He Is Canadian. Think Curling! anyways, Suff, anyone who
clipped SQ's wings got my thinking: is SuFF a Pr0? (Suff, I CAN take U Public)
46zilzal
04-21-2005, 08:04 PM
God Bless George W. Bush!
all hail the rutabaga
PaceAdvantage
04-21-2005, 08:05 PM
Whatever. You have no clue. But keep spouting the generalities....and make sure you hold murderers like Teddy Kennedy in high esteem, just because he comes from your beloved Mass-a-chu-setts. Talk about hypocrisy.
You've got me really steamed here Suff, in case you couldn't tell. The Catholic church I KNOW and GREW UP with is nothing like what you describe here.
And don't try and make it like I am defending the dispicable actions of the sick priests who did unspeakable things with children. There are people FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE who commit these kinds of heinous crimes. TEACHERS, POLICE, UNION MEMBERS, MILLIONAIRES.....these kind of scum are EVERYWHERE. Don't make it out to be exclusive to the Catholic church.
Lefty
04-21-2005, 08:05 PM
suff, i guess we can both ditto that. But keep the money and buy icecream for the neighborhood kids. I hate to see the ACLU getting a thin dime.
(Suff, I CAN take U Public)
Great, I want a Nasdaq Symbol
COLI
"Culture of Life Incorporated"
Whatever. You have no clue. But keep spouting the generalities....and make sure you hold murderers like Teddy Kennedy in high esteem, just because he comes from your beloved Mass-a-chu-setts. Talk about hypocrisy.
You've got me really steamed here Suff, in case you couldn't tell. The Catholic church I KNOW and GREW UP with is nothing like what you describe here.
.
I went to Cathloic school, Alter Boy, and taught cathecism.
I know that the American Catholic Church made egregious errors...
Not isolated, Not a few, Not missed, not punished
WIDE SPREAD, MANY, SEEN AND TOLERATED.
100'S OF THOUSANDS OF LIVES DAMAGED...SOME BROKEN BEYOND REPAIR.
PaceAdvantage
04-21-2005, 08:10 PM
This whole place needs an enema.
PaceAdvantage
04-21-2005, 08:11 PM
100'S OF THOUSANDS OF LIVES DAMAGED...SOME BROKEN BEYOND REPAIR.
Are you f'n serious?
Are you f'n serious?
Forget the Numbers for now... I'll talk about those another time.
You cannot tell me, after seeing what Cardinal Bernard Law did, that is an ABOMINATION he be involved in the Catholic church. The man belong sin Prison! and he's in A CONCLAVE TO ELECT A POPE..??? Mike please,, You can't say its a Rogue priest here or there...and then have the Master mind in the conclave...
and I NEVER SAID it was isolated to the Church. But I also know it is like a rash,,, when children are victims , they become perpatrators later in life...
It is said that a Molester can offend up to 25 people before he is caught. Some of these guys molested 100's of kids... do the math.
PaceAdvantage
04-21-2005, 08:17 PM
Chew on this for a while Suff....I just did a little "internet research"....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26955
In fact, some of those adversaries inadvertently assist the process of placing the scandal in context. Sylvia Demarest, a Texas lawyer, won a $119 million jury award on behalf of former altar boys abused in Dallas, and tracked allegations against priests in every part of the country. She told the Washington Post that her updated list of priests who stand accused of molesting children will reach 1,500 names – representing about 2 percent of the 60,000 priests who have served in the United States since 1984. Even this modest percentage may overstate the problem, since no one would suggest that every member of clergy who stands accused of pedophilia is actually guilty of the crime.
Ms. Demarest's numbers conform with estimates by Thomas Plante, a California psychologist at Santa Clara University who treats priests who have molested minors. "The best data we have is that approximately 5 percent of priests have a predilection toward minors," he declared. "That seems consistent with other clergy who are not priests (such as Protestant ministers or rabbis)." Moreover, Plante cites research suggesting that among the general population, 8 percent feel sexually attracted to children – a higher percentage than among priests or other clergy. Such numbers, or course, reflect those who feel sexually drawn to contact with kids, rather than indicating the percentage who actually act upon this inclination.
The Washington Post, an establishment liberal journal with no reason to whitewash the church, approvingly cites Gary Schoener, a psychologist in Minneapolis whose Walk-In Counseling Center has consulted with more than 1,000 victims of sexual abuse by clergy. He also affirms that the percentage of abusers among Catholic priests is no higher than among Protestant ministers.
PaceAdvantage
04-21-2005, 08:19 PM
and I NEVER SAID it was isolated to the Church. But I also know it is like a rash,,, when children are victims , they become perpatrators later in life...
Maybe not, but your "better keep your kids away from the NEW POPE and his ilk" sure implied this....
Kreed
04-21-2005, 08:24 PM
Suff & PA you are both Divas. Every sentence BoTh of you type could logically end in an EXclamation PoinT (or two) !!! ... I had Benedictines teach me and
only 1 lay teach got weird on me. Me & my pals always knew who leaned -- its
just something All guys know -- but I gotta say that I loved my Catholic
education. Yeah, it was kinda ideological, but what the F do you expect?
PaceAdvantage
04-21-2005, 10:05 PM
You know, I'm going to apologize here to Suff (you listening Jinxed?) for getting a little too fired up. I don't want to appear in any way to be defending the actions of anyone involved in these grotesque crimes, but I also don't want it to appear as if it's a problem confined to the Catholic church. They don't have the "cover up" market cornered either....
So, I will bow out of this portion of our program....
. I don't want to appear in any way to be defending the actions of anyone involved in these grotesque crimes, but I also don't want it to appear as if it's a problem confined to the Catholic church. They don't have the "cover up" market cornered either....
So, I will bow out of this portion of our program....
I never gave it much thought, But I thought you were Jewish. I'm assuming now, that Your Catholic? And I take it from you reaction , that your a practicing Catholic.
That article or better yet, op/ed, is interesting. Not because it contradicts some beliefs I have, But because he states some very bizarre statistics.
And the one that sticks out to me is ...among the general population, 8 percent feel sexually attracted to children –
Thats a doozy, and one I seriously doubt. Thats Damn near 20 Million People who are Sexually attracted to children? I sure hope not. For our sake.
I don't want to get into Pedohilia on this board. Lefty Made a Comment about staying away from His Grand Children because I support the ACLU and that's how we got here. But I will say two things about it.
I'm not sure if the Priest Sexual Scandal that We've gone through here recently is happening everywhere in America or The world. And I'm not sure if the rest of America got the gory details of the Church's behavior surrounding the Molestation of Children. However, I will not compare the Church to an individual Pedophile. Because the Catholic Church is a Powerful force in Boston, and has unlimited resources, and blind support from faithful followers. It used all this Power to hide and conceal records, to protect preists that were known offenders, to slander its accusers, and to bury people in legal wrangling when they opposed them. No other orginization in this country could have gotten away with that. And no single child abuser ever received the level of protection that Priests did.
And another reason I do not equate a Pedophile Preist with other offenders, is the special relationship Priests have within our society, and within the Church. These guys preyed on the most Vulnerable. Little Boys with No Fathers, or big Brothers, who they could confide in. They sought out the Boys from Broken and troubled homes. They sought out the weak and the wounded because they knew it lowered the chances they'd be caught. And I find that aspect of it, particulary vulgar. And this went on , not for years, but DECADES.
Young men, children, who went to the Priest for Guidance or support were Molested. And damned for Life. Because as I was saying to Sully Last night (he said to say hello btw),, Children that are molested, and perhaps even more so, molested by a person in such a posistion of Trust, do not end up as CEO of Chrysler Corp. Many, if not most, end up in Prison. And that leads me to my 2nd and final point.
Sexual abuse of Yound boys is a Big problem among Men. But because of our Culture, it is a Taboo subject. And many men, go through many troubles in life with out the ability or courage to talk about it. And the social Ramifications it has upon them are devastating. I don't know what the exact numbers are. But I think I'm safe when I say that more than Half of them, if not the majority of them suffer from Psyshcological issues like Depression, Addiction, Mood swings, Violent behavior. And unfortunately, most of them, become a Predator themselves. From Prey to Predator. A vicious cycle that spreads a vicious cycle of unspeakable pain and suffering,
I for one believe an open and honest dialogue on the subject is a good first step to stemming the tide of abuse that is occuring. And on a Human side, My heart breaks for all the men that are sitting in Prison Cells, or laying in an alley , that started life off as a Victim,went untreated, and they turned into a predator........and lost thier life (as we know it).
PaceAdvantage
04-22-2005, 10:22 AM
I was born and raised a Roman Catholic. I'm not much of a practitioner these days, which saddens me in a way.
This last post of yours is very good....a lot to think about....
The 8% figure really surprised me as well. I'm sure that's the extreme high end range of professional opinion because it suits the article better. It takes into account those that have feelings but don't act on them, which is all theoretical anyway, because I'm sure hardly anyone is going to admit to that kind of thing.
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