Everyone Thought Saddam-blah, blah, blah

[hcap]

The tale repeated over and over by the neo-lemmings is that EVERYONE, every intelligence agency in the world beleived Saddam was a threat, is just that a tale. UN inspectors didn't agree, most of the world's governments refused to go to war, and the majority of the worlds civilians didn't buy it.
By the way most of the worlds intel agencies rely primarily on the US.

Before the war I and others posted info contradicting the party line.
Before you say "better save than sorry"....

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/exposing_incompetent_incumbents.php?dateid=2005041 4

...The answer is simple: INR had the guts to be the skunk at the picnic. That’s how. State Department analysts showed backbone in resisting White House pressure, as well as in-house prodding from the likes of Under Secretary of State John Bolton, to cook intelligence to the White House recipe.

For example:

... When the canard about Iraq seeking uranium from Niger insinuated its way into the estimate, INR inserted a strong footnote, dismissing the story as "highly dubious."

... INR analysts also debunked the fable about aluminum tubes for uranium enrichment for Iraq. Although then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice portrayed the tubes as useful only in a nuclear application, State Department intelligence analysts joined the experts in the Department of Energy and U.N. engineers in pointing out, correctly, that the tubes were for conventional artillery.

...Most obstreperous of all, on the highly neuralgic nuclear issue INR flat-out refused to predict when Iraq's "nuclear weapons program" was likely to yield a nuclear device. Why? Because it saw no compelling evidence that Vice President Dick Cheney was correct in claiming that the previous nuclear weapons program had been "reconstituted." In the best diplomatic language it could summon, INR said it was just too difficult to predict the culmination of any such program without having a start (or re-start) date.

[CryingForTheHorses]

Just ask the Kurdish people what kind of a threat Saddam was!!

[JustRalph]

Just ask the Kurdish people what kind of a threat Saddam was!!

yep..........ask these guys...........

http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html

[PaceAdvantage]

How many times are we going to rehash the same old shit? Think of something new at least, will ya Hcap?

[Tom]

Hcap = energizer Bunny.


Interesting interview with Charlie Daniels today on the radio-he just got back from a whirwind tour of Iraq and Afghanistan entertaining our troops. He andhis band flew low in copters from venue to venue, and he described the area as the worst abject poverty you ever saw. People living in squalor while they stayed in several of hundreds of palaces formerly owned by SH - place that put the best maanisons in Hollywierd to shame. SH was running a sweatshop of a country while stealing the wealth away from the people - MOST of whom today run out to wave greetings to the Blackhawks as they fly overhead. Many good things happening over ther are never being reported.
But then, lsbets already told us that.

[hcap]

Look, Saddam is a ruthless killer, no argument. But things are not as cut and dry as you guys contend.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/opinion/31PELL.html?ex=1113710400&en=6d998efb3e701fce&ei=5070&oref=login

A War Crime or an Act of War?
By STEPHEN C. PELLETIERE

... I am in a position to know because, as the Central Intelligence Agency's senior political analyst on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, and as a professor at the Army War College from 1988 to 2000, I was privy to much of the classified material that flowed through Washington having to do with the Persian Gulf. In addition, I headed a 1991 Army investigation into how the Iraqis would fight a war against the United States; the classified version of the report went into great detail on the Halabja affair.

This much about the gassing at Halabja we undoubtedly know: it came about in the course of a battle between Iraqis and Iranians. Iraq used chemical weapons to try to kill Iranians who had seized the town, which is in northern Iraq not far from the Iranian border. The Kurdish civilians who died had the misfortune to be caught up in that exchange. But they were not Iraq's main target.

.....And the story gets murkier: immediately after the battle the United States Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report, which it circulated within the intelligence community on a need-to-know basis. That study asserted that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds, not Iraqi gas

A bit earlier
http://www.casi.org.uk/info/usdocs/usiraq80s90s.html

..According to the Washington Post, the CIA began in 1984 secretly to give Iraq intelligence that Iraq uses to "calibrate" its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. In August, the CIA establishes a direct Washington-Baghdad intelligence link, and for 18 months, starting in early 1985, the CIA provided Iraq with "data from sensitive U.S. satellite reconnaissance photography...to assist Iraqi bombing raids." The Post’s source said that this data was essential to Iraq’s war effort.
..The United States re-established full diplomatic ties with Iraq on 26 November, just over a year after Iraq’s first well-publicized CW use and only 8 months after the UN and U.S. reported that Iraq used CWs on Iranian troops.

1988

The CD (Commerce Department) approved exports in January and February to Iraq’s SCUD missile program’s procurement agency. These exports allowed Iraq to extend SCUD range far enough to hit allied soldiers in Saudi Arabia and Israeli civilians in Tel Aviv and Haifa.[26]

... Following the Halabja attack and Iraq’s August CW offensive against Iraqi Kurds, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed on 8 September the "Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988" the day after it is introduced.[31] The act cuts off from Iraq U.S. loans, military and non-military assistance, credits, credit guarantees, items subject to export controls, and U.S. imports of Iraqi oil.[32]

....Immediately after the bill’s passage the Reagan Administration announced its opposition to the bill,[33] and SD spokesman Charles Redman called the bill premature".[34] The Administration works with House opponents to a House companion bill, and after numerous legislation compromises and end-of-session haggling, the Senate bill died "on the last day of the legislative session".[35]

...According to a 15 September news report, Reagan Administration officials stated that the U.S. intercepted Iraqi military communications marking Iraq’s CW attacks on Kurds.[36]

... U.S. intelligence reported in 1991 that the U.S. helicopters sold to Iraq in 1983 were used in 1988 to spray Kurds with chemicals




So we supported Saddam in the war with Iran and supplied many weapon systems and chemical precursors enabling our "monster" to perform as he did. In fact he was a partial CIA construct and instrumental in earlier regime changes in the region at our bequest.

If you guys think this "old shit", your forgeting our role in this crap.

[PaceAdvantage]

So we supported Saddam in the war with Iran and supplied many weapon systems and chemical precursors enabling our "monster" to perform as he did. In fact he was a partial CIA construct and instrumental in earlier regime changes in the region at our bequest.

If you guys think this "old shit", your forgeting our role in this crap.

I haven't forgotten a thing. Maybe you can rehash how Osama bin Laden was also a CIA patsy during the Soviet Union occupation of Afghanistan.....

[Tom]

Don't forget Chuck Berris (Gong Show host) was a CIa operative, too.

Sheeez......don't that ole dog ever let go of that bone???

MOVE ON!

[JustRalph]

5000 reasons to depose Saddam......

-Snippet-
April 15, 2005

Iraqis Find Graves Thought to Hold Hussein's Victims

By ROBERT F. WORTH (http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=bylL&v1=ROBERT F. WORTH&fdq=19960101&td=sysdate&sort=newest&ac=ROBERT F. WORTH&inline=nyt-per)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/dropcap/b.gifAGHDAD, Iraq, April 14 - Investigators have discovered several mass graves in southern Iraq that are believed to contain the bodies of people killed by Saddam Hussein's government, including one estimated to hold 5,000 bodies, Iraqi officials say.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/15/international/middleeast/15graves.html?ei=5065&en=c85059724268b94e&ex=1114228800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print&position=

[Tom]

Did you hear the low-life Ramsey Clark today....he is taking on SH defense and he was absolutely indignat that when we caught him his hair was meesed up and someone put his finger in SHs mouth.

Perhaps RC would understand things clearer if someone were put his fat ass into one of SHs chippers!

What a traitor this sack of s---- is.

The libs must LOVE him!:rolleyes: