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Dave Schwartz
03-03-2005, 10:38 AM
A positive Opinion of the situation in Iraq:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05058/463080.stm

Jack Kelly: All but won
The media can't see that Iraq is close to secure
Sunday, February 27, 2005

Lt. Col. Jim Stockmoe, chief intelligence officer for the First Infantry
Division, roared with laughter as he recalled the increasing missteps of the
resistance in Iraq in an interview earlier this month with British
journalist Toby Harnden, writing for The Spectator.

"There were three brothers down in Baghdad who had a mortar tube and were
firing into the Green Zone," Stockmoe said. "They were storing the mortar
rounds in the car engine compartment and the rounds got overheated. Two of
these clowns dropped them in the tube and they exploded, blowing their legs
off."

The surviving brother sought refuge in a nearby house, but the occupants
"beat the crap out of him and turned him over to the Iraqi police," Stockmoe
told Harnden, "It was like the movie 'Dumb and Dumber.' "

"The nine election day suicide bombers averaged about three victims each, a
strike rate so bad that Allah might soon start rationing the virgins to show
his displeasure," Harnden wrote.

Stockmoe has heard so many similar stories that he created an Iraqi version
of the "Darwin Awards." Created in 1993 by a student at Stanford University,
the Darwin awards commemorate those who "contribute to our gene pool by
removing themselves from it in a really stupid way."

The number of insurgent attacks has fallen off significantly since the
Fallujah offensive last November, and the attacks that are being made are
less effective.

There are about 50-60 attacks a day on coalition forces, about half the
pre-Fallujah level. Almost all are within the Sunni Triangle, and most are
ineffective. "Most of these are ambush-style attacks that result in no
casualties," noted StrategyPage.com.

The news media report the attacks, but tend not to report, as StrategyPage
does, that "dozens, sometimes over a hundred, of the attackers, or suspects,
are arrested every day."

Unbalanced reporting has given Americans a false impression of how the war
is going, said Austin Bay, a retired colonel in the Army Reserve who was
called to active duty in Iraq last year.

"Collect relatively isolated events in a chronological list and presto: the
impression of uninterrupted, widespread violence destroying Iraq," said Bay,
who is also a syndicated columnist. "But that was a false impression. Every
day coalition forces were moving thousands of 18-wheelers from Kuwait and
Turkey into Iraq, and if the insurgents were lucky, they blew up one.
However, flash the flames of that one diesel rig on CNN and 'Oh my God,
America can't stop these guys' is the impression left in Boston, Boise and
Beijing."

It will be some months before the news media recognize it, and a few months
more before they acknowledge it, but the war in Iraq is all but won. The
situation is roughly analogous to the battle of Iwo Jima, which took place
60 years ago this month. It took 35 days before the island was declared
secure, but the outcome was clear after day five, with the capture of Mt.
Suribachi.

Proof of this was provided by Sen. Hillary Clinton. Iraq is functioning
quite well, she said in a press conference in Baghdad Feb. 19. The recent
rash of suicide attacks is a sign the insurgency is failing, she said.

"When politicians like [Clinton] start flocking to Iraq to bask in the light
of its success, then you know that the corner has been turned," a reader of
his blog wrote to Bay.

More substantive signs abound. The performance of Iraqi security forces is
improving, as are their numbers. Nearly 10,000 men showed up at a southern
Iraqi military base Feb. 14 to volunteer for 5,000 openings. Only 6,000 had
been expected.

Sunni Arab politicians have admitted they made a big boo-boo in boycotting
the Jan. 30 election, and are pleading to be included in the political
process. Some ex-Baathists are seeking terms for laying down their arms.

Those who get their news from the "mainstream" media are surprised by
developments in Iraq, as they were surprised by our swift victory in
Afghanistan, the sudden fall of Saddam Hussein, the success of the Afghan
election and the success of the Iraqi election.

Journalists demand accountability from political leaders for "quagmires"
which exist chiefly in the imagination of journalists. But when will
journalists be held to account for getting every major development in the
war on terror wrong?

Equineer
03-03-2005, 01:00 PM
A man who has been uncomfortable at work all day pulls up behind the plumber's van in his driveway. Going to the basement, he asks the plumber, "How's it going?"

The young plumber replies, "Well sir, I had to order in a new water heater, but everything's fine now... your water is heating, and I'm packing up to go."

"Good," says the man, "Where's my wife?"

"Well sir, I think she's upstairs waiting to shower... here's the bill."

"Good grief," exclaims the man, "for $300-billion, this thing better have a warranty!"

"Yes sir, you're covered there, the Mrs. signed you up for the annual $60-billion guaranteed service and maintenance plan."

so.cal.fan
03-03-2005, 01:30 PM
Did anyone notice Teddy Kennedy's speech last January (right BEFORE the elections) where he implied that the Iraqi people liked the insurgents better than the U.S. troops there?
They pulled it OFF his website. :lol:

lsbets
03-03-2005, 02:06 PM
Did anyone also notice the odd coincidence of the Lebanese people feeling that they could stand up to Syria and demand democracy? I wonder if they were inspired by purple fingers.

Tom
03-03-2005, 10:20 PM
Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestien, Lybia couging up its nukes, now Lebenon.
The Middle East is getting shook up pretty good. It's like 1989 all over again.
Once people see others getting a taste of liberty, you can't stop it. As Felix Cavelier once sang, "All the world over, it's easy to see, people every where just wanna be free."

ponyplayer
03-04-2005, 08:52 AM
As PA kept saying for a long time, "The Truth Is Out There." :)

46zilzal
03-04-2005, 02:37 PM
Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestien, Lybia couging up its nukes, now Lebenon.

Where is there evidence of this???

GameTheory
03-04-2005, 04:26 PM
Where is there evidence of this???
Put your knee-jerk in check for a minute, read it again, and think about it...

46zilzal
03-04-2005, 04:38 PM
Put your knee-jerk in check for a minute, read it again, and think about it...
I did and there are NONE to be found unless you know different. Israel has them but who else??

46zilzal
03-04-2005, 04:44 PM
funny

JustRalph
03-04-2005, 04:56 PM
Did anyone also notice the odd coincidence of the Lebanese people feeling that they could stand up to Syria and demand democracy? I wonder if they were inspired by purple fingers.

:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

GameTheory
03-04-2005, 06:02 PM
I did and there are NONE to be found unless you know different. Israel has them but who else??You are misinterpreting the statement. This is what it means:

-- We invaded Afghanistan

-- We invaded Iraq

-- Arafat died

-- Lybia gave up its nuclear program

-- Lebanon is in the process of kicking out the Syrians


A list of ways in which the middle east has been "shook up". Get it?

46zilzal
03-04-2005, 08:17 PM
still does not explain the NUKE idea.....that's what I am asking

GameTheory
03-04-2005, 08:25 PM
OH MY GOD, the nuke idea was only about Lybia!

Suff
03-04-2005, 08:36 PM
still does not explain the NUKE idea.....that's what I am asking


yea .. The theme of the post was clear. Don't be a knucklehead and parse words. The point was clear.


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The deal In lebanon has many moving parts. The main legal and diplomatic instrument is a UN Resolution sponsored by France



Resolution 1559 Adopted by Vote

Of 9 in Favour, to None Against, with 6 Abstentions



The Security Council this evening declared its support for a free and fair presidential election in Lebanon conducted according to Lebanese constitutional rules devised without foreign interference or influence and, in that connection, called upon all remaining foreign forces to withdraw from Lebanon.
By a vote of 9 in favour (Angola, Benin, Chile, France, Germany, Romania, Spain, United Kingdom, United States) to none against, with 6 abstentions (Algeria, Brazil, China, Pakistan, Philippines, Russian Federation), the Council adopted resolution 1559 (2004), reaffirming its call for the strict respect of Lebanon’s sovereignty, territorial integrity, unity, and political independence under the sole and exclusive authority of the Government of Lebanon throughout the country.

Similarly, the representative of France, who, along with the United States, had introduced the resolution, worried that persistent serious interference in the political life of Lebanon might cause it to retreat from the objectives that had been reaffirmed constantly by the international community. That was why a rapid mobilization and a decisive reaction from the Council had seemed essential. By refraining to act, the Council would have sanctioned interference in the internal affairs of another State. By acting in a robust manner, it was showing its confidence in Lebanon’s future, which must include its full restoration of sovereignty, and not the intensification of interference


You'd have to be naive to think that Bush's willingness to use Force to achieve objectives is not a primary factor as well.

Tom
03-05-2005, 11:17 AM
Lybia is the only one associated with nukes.
But do not rule out their existence, or vital componets at least, existing in Syria.
Let me use som eword play on you - so far, we have not found EMD in Iraq. Fact.
SH once had them and used them, Fact.
After those two facts, we hit gray areas. Therr is no evidence he destroyed them all. There is no evidence he noved them to Syria or Iran, or elsewhere. So the only FACT left is that we have not found them. You have no evidence that they did not exist or were destroyed,I have no evidence that they are still hidden of were moved. I have a trail of evidence that supports they were there at one time.

46zilzal
03-05-2005, 11:30 AM
FACT: we haven't found the Fountain of Youth either but people still keep lookiing...Maybe it is in Hallandale Florida!!

Tom
03-05-2005, 11:33 AM
I am not sure - was that a zig or a zag? Or just another spin.