Bris Numbers Basically The Same As Software Numbers

[Nickle]

Very little difference with bris power numbers and any software you might use that gives a power rating/number

HTR (K Ratings) very similar to Bris top 3

I will stick with Bris , better bang for your buck

[Tom]

Got any actual data to suggest PP is anything close to K? :lol:

[JimG]

Very little difference with bris power numbers and any software you might use that gives a power rating/number

HTR (K Ratings) very similar to Bris top 3

I will stick with Bris , better bang for your buck

Nickle,

Interesting theory so I thought I would check it out with some software I have laying around and today's Aqueduct card. Let's check out JCapper (J Rating), Work Horse Pro and Equisim (Profiler) along with Prime Power to see if they are real similar.

Race1:
Prime Power 2-4-3
JRating 6-4-2
Equisim 7-2-6
WHPro 2-7-3

Race 2:
PrimePower 6-5-2
JRating 5-6-2
Equisim 5-6-2
WHPro 2-5-6 a number of 1st time starters in this race.

Race 3:
PrimePower 4-3-1
JRating 4-3-1
Equisim 4-3-2
WHPro 3-4-1 a 4 horse field here

Race 4:
PrimePower 4-3-1
JRating 4-7-1
Equisim 4-5-6
WHPro 4-1-7

Race 5:
PrimePower 2-7-1
JRating 2-8-4
Equisim 2-1-7
WHPro 2-1-4

Race 6:
PrimePower 1A-2-1
JRating 1-2-3
Equisim 1-2-4
WHPro 1-4-1A

Race 7:
PrimePower 5-7-2
JRating 5-1-8
Equisim 7-5-8
WHPro 7-8-3

Race 8:
PrimrPower 2-7-5
JRating 6-5-2
Equisim 2-7-1
WHPro 1-5-2

Race 9:
PrimePower 5-10-9
JRating 10-5-9
Equisim 10-5-1
WHPro 5-10-9

Equisim, JCapper, and WorkHorse Pro are all full featured software that has many ratings and ways to attack the races. This is just one rating from each one for comparison to Prime Power purposes. Looks to me like some races are very similar and some not. Just what I would expect.

[Nickle]

real similar guy

all using basically same data to get power ratings

I just stick to Bris since all really the same

[Tom]

But you stll have no data. Ok. :sleeping:

[acorn54]

let me add to the issue
i got these stats from globalwinningpicks

the top 3 prime power numbers win 68% and produce a 10% loss
based on 13181 races. don't know the stats on the k rating, perhaps someone with a large htr database can chime in.
acorn

[GR1@HTR]

acorn...no way that can be correct...
Almost impossible to get only -10% roi on top 3 picks, betting on all races.
That would mean
top choice 33% -3% ROI
2nd Choice 20% -3% ROI
3rd Choice 15% -4% ROI

Now global winning picks might be able to do that in spot play situations but highly unlikely.

[Maxspa]

Jim,
Workhorse Pro that's a blast from the past! I've got it somewhere in my collection and the book that went with it.
Maxspa

[Doug]

.How about this $15 per month report

race 1 $15 per month
Prime Power 2-4-3 2-1-3 out
JRating 6-4-2
Equisim 7-2-6
WHPro 2-7-3

Race 2:
PrimePower 6-5-2 6-5-8 #5 $30.20 #5 was top pace, speed and class
JRating 5-6-2
Equisim 5-6-2
WHPro 2-5-6
Race 3:
PrimePower 4-3-1 5-4-3 #4 $3.40
JRating 4-3-1
Equisim 4-3-2
WHPro 3-4-1

Race 4:
PrimePower 4-3-1 4-5-3 #4 $2.80
JRating 4-7-1
Equisim 4-5-6
WHPro 4-1-7

Race 5:
PrimePower 2-7-1 2-7-9 #2 $3.80
JRating 2-8-4
Equisim 2-1-7
WHPro 2-1-4

Race 6:
PrimePower 1A-2-1 1a-1-2 #2 $7.70
JRating 1-2-3
Equisim 1-2-4
WHPro 1-4-1A

Race 7:
PrimePower 5-7-2 7-5-1 #6 $14.00
JRating 5-1-8
Equisim 7-5-8
WHPro 7-8-3

Race 8:
PrimrPower 2-7-5 2-7-1 #2 $4.00
JRating 6-5-2
Equisim 2-7-1
WHPro 1-5-2

Race 9:
PrimePower 5-10-9 5-10-7 #7 $10.20
JRating 10-5-9
Equisim 10-5-1
WHPro 5-10-9

[Jeff P]

There can be huge difference in what you'll get out of software generated unique numbers vs just eyeballing Bris past performances or using Bris Prime Power all by itself. The value of unique software generated numbers comes about in races where the software picks something different than what the public does.

One of the things I recently did was compile Starter Database files for 2004 covering what I perceive to be the major circuits running. This makes it possible for JCapper users to test out strengths and weaknesses of various ratings for themselves. I made every attempt to include every race date during calendar year 2004 for the following tracks:

New York: AQU BEL SAR
Florida: CRC GP
Kentucky: CD KEE
Southern California: SA HOL DMR

Here's what I have for the tracks listed above (every race in the Starter Database - all distances, surfaces, and classes) based on a flat $2.00 win bet with no further handicapping whatsoever and no attempt to break ties:


ALL Odds Ranges

By: JRating Rank

Rank Gain Bet Roi Wins Plays Pct
1 -377.30 16558.00 0.9772 2025 8279 .2446
2 -2754.10 16564.00 0.8337 1422 8282 .1717
3 -3700.10 16526.00 0.7761 1197 8263 .1449



By: Prime Power Rank

Rank Gain Bet Roi Wins Plays Pct
1 -2703.40 16912.00 0.8401 2518 8456 .2978
2 -2271.10 17008.00 0.8665 1698 8504 .1997
3 -2490.70 17122.00 0.8545 1270 8561 .1483



6-1 and up

By: JRating Rank

Rank Gain Bet Roi Wins Plays Pct
1 705.60 4690.00 1.1504 218 2345 .0930
2 -872.70 6774.00 0.8712 248 3387 .0732
3 -2486.60 8260.00 0.6990 232 4130 .0562


By: Prime Power Rank

Rank Gain Bet Roi Wins Plays Pct
1 -150.70 1288.00 0.8830 58 644 .0901
2 -647.00 4100.00 0.8422 171 2050 .0834
3 -1007.80 7568.00 0.8668 304 3784 .0803



9-1 and up

By: JRating Rank

Rank Gain Bet Roi Wins Plays Pct
1 806.00 2918.00 1.2762 114 1459 .0781
2 -827.50 4560.00 0.8185 117 2280 .0513
3 -1895.80 5852.00 0.6760 122 2926 .0417


By: Prime Power Rank

Rank Gain Bet Roi Wins Plays Pct
1 -72.40 554.00 0.8693 18 277 .0650
2 -280.40 1894.00 0.8520 58 947 .0612
3 -441.40 4238.00 0.8958 135 2119 .0637




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[Tom]

Jeff,
Impressive performance by J1. :faint:

[speedking]

Jeff,

Dynamite ROI on 6/1 and above. Especially for top out of the box and a sizable sample. Congratulations!

speedking

[JimG]

Jim,
Workhorse Pro that's a blast from the past! I've got it somewhere in my collection and the book that went with it.
Maxspa

Maxspa,

I sent you an email regarding the above. Thanks for looking.

Jim

[Nickle]

If your just looking at Data the software programs are excellent but if your looking to get picks from all these different programs just use Bris as it is all the same basically.

[speedking]

If your just looking at Data the software programs are excellent but if your looking to get picks from all these different programs just use Bris as it is all the same basically.

Nickle,

Reread Post #10 by Jeff. This is a one year study of top rated "picks" compared head to head. This is the best "out of the box" performance I've ever seen documented over a significant period of time and his ratings buried the BRIS Prime Numbers. If you don't see the difference or realize the value here, I welcome your money in the mutuel pools.

speedking

[Jeff P]

If your just looking at Data the software programs are excellent but if your looking to get picks from all these different programs just use Bris as it is all the same basically.

Okay. I'll play along. How is it all the same?








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[headhawg]

If your just looking at Data the software programs are excellent but if your looking to get picks from all these different programs just use Bris as it is all the same basically.

Huh?

If the statistical data doesn't impress you then I, too, welcome your money.

And it sounds to me that you are assuming "black box" programs. I prefer to use them as tools, and as such do a way better job than just looking at Prime Power numbers alone as my "pick".

And if you manage to make a profit using Bris numbers from PPs rather than software, then, if you'll pardon the expression, more "Prime Power" to you.

[TriSuper]

What is even more impressive is the amount of races that the JCapper software was able to obtain this type of figure.


JRating
1 705.60 4690.00 1.1504 218 2345 .0930

Prime Power
1 -150.70 1288.00 0.8830 58 644 .0901

[Nickle]

Speed I read it

Great stuff