Free GP 2005 Pars

[Dave Schwartz]

We have just completed the 2005 HorseStreet Par Times.

Here is a link to the document that describes them:
http://www.horsestreet.com/products/pars/2005Pars/index.html

A sample can be found here:
http://www.horsestreet.com/products/pars/Samples/index.html

At the end of that document, in the addendum section, you will find the "preliminary" 2005 GP pars, built from January, 2005 data. It includes extrapolated pars for distances they have not run this year but have historically run.

Note: Comma-delimited file formats will be ready by Monday.


Regards,
Dave Schwartz

[Dave Schwartz]

I mispoke.

The GP pars are at the end of the first document.


Dave Schwartz

[sjk]

Dave,

What are you doing about Lrl? I guess new 1 mile pars are in order. Did they change the other distances significantly enough to obsolete the old pars?

[cj]

I'd be very leary of using old pars with Laurel until it can be proven they are reliable. My guess is they will not be judging by the 1st week, but its early.

[Dave Schwartz]

When do they run again?


Dave

[sjk]

They are scheduled to run Wed-Sun.

[Dave Schwartz]

I meant "When?" Now?

I will likely need about 3 weeks of races.

[sjk]

They opened on 1/26.

If all that changed was that they widened and rebuilt the track, I think I'll keep my old pars. Obviously the long chute with the 1 turn mile means something needs to be done with the mile race.

Has anything else changed significantly?

[BillW]

They opened on 1/26.

If all that changed was that they widened and rebuilt the track, I think I'll keep my old pars. Obviously the long chute with the 1 turn mile means something needs to be done with the mile race.

Has anything else changed significantly?

I believe that they completely removed the old track and put a newer one in its place. In addition to the chute, the track is wider (again - I believe. I just getting old enough that I should know better than to trust my memory :).

Bill


BTW Dave, same situation exists with CT new track in the fall- I guess new tracks are in vogue in that area :).

[Dave Schwartz]

BillW,

Yes, I picked that one up. Amazingly, it was not very different.

Dave

[socantra]

BTW Dave, same situation exists with CT new track in the fall- I guess new tracks are in vogue in that area :).

You mean Charles Town has already done the promised new track with banked turns? I thought that was supposed to be after the turn of the year. I take it they decided to leave it at six furlongs instead of going for seven.

Dave's right, it seems to have made very little difference in the times.

socantra

[BillW]

It's still the same size. It was completed sometime in the fall (I forget exactly when). Look at their race dates, you will see a noticeable gap followed by a period of running 4f sprints instead of 4 1/2 while they dealt with new construction issues in the chute.

Bill

[Light]

Dave wrote on 1/28

Note: Comma-delimited file formats will be ready by Monday.

Where are they?

[Dave Schwartz]

What do you mean, "Where are they?"

Did you order them? or are you looking for formats?

Dave

[cj]

Some very odd things at both Gulfstream and Laurel.

Normally, when tracks run 1 turn miles, ala Aqu, Cnl, and AP, they fall in line with the other sprints with a pretty simple adjustment to the speed chart for one mile races.

For example, the tracks listed above you deduct 90/100 of a second from the Beyer 1 mile speed chart , say from 1:39.20 to 1:38.30.

With both Gulfstream and Laurel, you have to ADD time to the two turn mile chart, which is very odd for ONE turn races. Anyone else notice how slow these one mile races are on the new surfaces? I haven't paid much attention, but I'm assuming that the run up for these must be very, very short.

[sjk]

I have the GP mile 13.98 secs greater than the 7 furlongs (all new pars).

At Lrl (where I am mixing new and old as of now) I have the mile 14.66 secs greater than the 7 furlongs based on very limited data.

[cj]

I have Laurel 14.76 and GP at 14.36, so we are in the same ballpark. To compare this to Aqueduct, a similar 1 turn mile track, I have 13.26. I have standard difference between 7f and two turn miles as 14.16, and that is with an extra turn. Very strange, but it could help if some bettors aren't on top of these things.

[sjk]

Aqu 13.38
CD 13.28
AP 13.41

[Light]

Dave wrote:What do you mean, "Where are they?"

I guess I'm confused by what you meant in your original post. I thought you were referring to your free GP pars when you said you would have comma deliminated ones on Monday.

[Dave Schwartz]

Light,

Sorry for the confusion.

I was announcing the comma-delimited version of our 2005 Pars would be available on Monday. (They were.)


Dave