Jockey misjudges finish line at Laurel

[Al Gobbi]

https://youtu.be/GKCfpro5PLc

[Onesome]

In the UK, that's the easiest automatic 21 day vacation for failure to ride out causing the loss of a win. Was that the normal finish line at Laurel and was the jock from out of town (doesn't matter either way, just wondering how it happens)?

[ranchwest]

In the UK, that's the easiest automatic 21 day vacation for failure to ride out causing the loss of a win. Was that the normal finish line at Laurel and was the jock from out of town (doesn't matter either way, just wondering how it happens)?

There's two finish lines, depending on the distance of the race. Ruiz stopped riding at the first finish line.

[westernmassbob]

I don’t necessarily think the 1 horse was going to win the race but he definitely caused himself to lose a placing. There is no reason to have two finish lines at any track, just put the starting gate where it needs to go and have one finish line.

[Al Gobbi]

There's two finish lines, depending on the distance of the race. Ruiz stopped riding at the first finish line.

Laurel has two finish lines for both dirt and turf racing.

[wisconsin]

Laurel has red lights on the finish poles. The correct finish pole light illuminates. This is the very reason for the lights.

[Inner Dirt]

It also looks like the rider on :9: stood up and got back to riding late, no harm done on that horse finish wise.

[proximity]

imo the heyday of this circuit was when it ran w-sun at roughly the same time as nyra. goofy colonial broke the rhythm a little bit and then came frank with his energy drinks, horse wizards and his silly obsession with boring one turn miles. of course the coup de grace was when he messed up the casino deal (what i called triple crown casino at laurel park).........jmo :coffee:

[cj]

This happens a few times every year there.

[BarchCapper]

I don’t necessarily think the 1 horse was going to win the race but he definitely caused himself to lose a placing. There is no reason to have two finish lines at any track, just put the starting gate where it needs to go and have one finish line.

There's already way too many situations in today's world where we change things around because 56/100ths of one percent of the participants (Ivory Soap, anyone?) screw it up.

Two finish lines allow for more distances to be run more fairly at the tracks where they are in place.

[Cuffdaddy]

I happened to be at and had a wager at Fairplex Park/Pomona Fairgrounds when Matt Garcia was riding a Mandella horse and miscounted the laps in their long distance feature.

He whipped and drove well clear to the finish line in what he thought was a victory only to be passed going into the backstretch by the field as he was easing up to return to the winners circle.

Total embarrassment when he returned horse to be unsaddled.

[Inner Dirt]

I happened to be at and had a wager at Fairplex Park/Pomona Fairgrounds when Matt Garcia was riding a Mandella horse and miscounted the laps in their long distance feature.

He whipped and drove well clear to the finish line in what he thought was a victory only to be passed going into the backstretch by the field as he was easing up to return to the winners circle.

Total embarrassment when he returned horse to be unsaddled.


Before the days of simulcasting when Pomona was a 1/2 mile they had 1-9/16 mi low end starter allowance and claiming races. For some odd reason I liked those and did good betting them. Nothing like seeing a $3200 claimer
roaring down the stretch finishing lap #3.

[ranchwest]

I happened to be at and had a wager at Fairplex Park/Pomona Fairgrounds when Matt Garcia was riding a Mandella horse and miscounted the laps in their long distance feature.

He whipped and drove well clear to the finish line in what he thought was a victory only to be passed going into the backstretch by the field as he was easing up to return to the winners circle.

Total embarrassment when he returned horse to be unsaddled.

When Jefferson Downs existed, they'd run marathons on the bullring and I could never figure out on the monitor how many laps they were going.

[GMB@BP]

I can actually forgive a honest mistake versus some of the intentional shenanigans that go on.

[westernmassbob]

There's already way too many situations in today's world where we change things around because 56/100ths of one percent of the participants (Ivory Soap, anyone?) screw it up.

Two finish lines allow for more distances to be run more fairly at the tracks where they are in place.

Again. One Finish line is enough because you can put the starting gate anywhere to have the distance you want. A few times a year this fumble happens at multiple tracks. It can easily be avoided.

[Tom]

Laurel has red lights on the finish poles. The correct finish pole light illuminates. This is the very reason for the lights.

Maybe he thought they meant STOP! :lol:

[Tom]

When Jefferson Downs existed, they'd run marathons on the bullring and I could never figure out on the monitor how many laps they were going.

Back in the 70s, we ran a series of marathons, including several distances over 4 miles at FL.

The big attraction was they put a picnic table in ftront of the tote board and 4 "Playboy" bunnies would dance on the table during the race, and each lap, one would get down off the table. When 1 bunny was left, the riders knew it was the final lap.

Side note.....in a 4m70 race, my horse got lapped! :lol:

[Cuffdaddy]

Back in the 70s, we ran a series of marathons, including several distances over 4 miles at FL.

The big attraction was they put a picnic table in ftront of the tote board and 4 "Playboy" bunnies would dance on the table during the race, and each lap, one would get down off the table. When 1 bunny was left, the riders knew it was the final lap.

Side note.....in a 4m70 race, my horse got lapped! :lol:

Now that is a sure way to make sure there are no jockey miscalculations.

Nice pick!!

[JustRalph]

Again. One Finish line is enough because you can put the starting gate anywhere to have the distance you want. A few times a year this fumble happens at multiple tracks. It can easily be avoided.

Wouldn’t that make the start in some part of the turn at certain distances?

[wisconsin]

Maybe he thought they meant STOP! :lol:


Except it they would have been lit on the 2nd finish pole.

[BarchCapper]

Again. One Finish line is enough because you can put the starting gate anywhere to have the distance you want. A few times a year this fumble happens at multiple tracks. It can easily be avoided.

Sure you can put a mile race gate right at the turn and take all the outside horses out of contention. Again, at Laurel the mile starts in the 7 1/2 furlong chute and goes to the second finish line. Again, a few times a year is no big deal and doesn't need to be avoided. Again.

[BarchCapper]

Wouldn’t that make the start in some part of the turn at certain distances?

:ThmbUp::ThmbUp:

[ranchwest]

Back in the 70s, we ran a series of marathons, including several distances over 4 miles at FL.

The big attraction was they put a picnic table in ftront of the tote board and 4 "Playboy" bunnies would dance on the table during the race, and each lap, one would get down off the table. When 1 bunny was left, the riders knew it was the final lap.

Side note.....in a 4m70 race, my horse got lapped! :lol:

I went to the 2nd Ali-Spinks fight. Between rounds they had the traditional girl in a bikini with a sign showing the upcoming round. Except one round a stripper from Bourbon Street entered the ring clad in high heels and a sign stating her place of employment, held high above her head. :popcorn:

[westernmassbob]

Wouldn’t that make the start in some part of the turn at certain distances?

No. You have the entire length of stretch or backstretch to work with in regards to distances and placement of starting gate. Plenty of tracks have only one finish line and have a variety of distances of races. There have been articles about this and why it’s unnesscessary to have two finish lines.

[jameegray1]

The Laurel dual finish posts are a nightmare. Even the on-site production team ballsed it up back in June with live footage for one race shown from a camera sited on, panning to, and stopping on the 1st finish line when it should have been the 2nd.

The positions of this race were actually :5: :7: :8:

[Tom]

What distances use the first finish line?
The second line can't be changed because the mile races can only start where they do now.

[Robert Fischer]

What distances use the first finish line?
The second line can't be changed because the mile races can only start where they do now.

Tom, I should know the turf rule, but I'm not sure.
On dirt, everything usual (6f, 7f?, 1m1/16th, 1m1/8th are run 'first finish line'), with just the 1M using the 2nd fin line.


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the 1m laurel races are one of my favorite race configurations because of the 2nd-fin line.

:coffee: Some of you have lodged valid complaints and suggestions, so this isn't meant to be a contrarian opposing thing. On the contrary, I respect those ideas and opinions.

The reason I like the LRL 1M is that the length of stretch is longer than most racing. I have in my notes 'about 1400 feet'. I can't vouch for exact accuracy but fundamentals are significant. For an extreme contrast, randomly grabbing the Oaklawn 1M first-finish-line stretch out of the hat, which I have noted as 'about 800 feet'.

I enjoy track biases. A fair or less-biased race is cool to me if the field size is large and the pace is significant, but in general biases fuel my interest in looking for unique and ... biased stuff.

I'm the guy whining when track x builds a chute or goes 'poly' and runs less races at ridiculous starting-gate/turn configuration.
(A single finish line approach is also going to create some starting-gate configuration biases or require the build of a chute on most main tracks).

The best part (to me) about the lengthened stretch being a bias or unique quirk, is that it occasionally calls into play some positive qualities of a horse like solid fundamentals and stamina. Unlike some biases where the starting gate is in an awful position, or where the rail is gold/dead, a long stretch occasionally rewards good horses and reveals some additional info.

It's not a utopia. Some cheap races are run. Sometimes the paces are reserved. Sometimes it rewards a trainer/vet/ownership gang. A few times a year it opens the door for a goof-up or worse.

[BarchCapper]

the 1m laurel races are one of my favorite race configurations because of the 2nd-fin line.

:coffee: Some of you have lodged valid complaints and suggestions, so this isn't meant to be a contrarian opposing thing. On the contrary, I respect those ideas and opinions.

The reason I like the LRL 1M is that the length of stretch is longer than most racing. I have in my notes 'about 1400 feet'. I can't vouch for exact accuracy but fundamentals are significant. For an extreme contrast, randomly grabbing the Oaklawn 1M first-finish-line stretch out of the hat, which I have noted as 'about 800 feet'.

I enjoy track biases. A fair or less-biased race is cool to me if the field size is large and the pace is significant, but in general biases fuel my interest in looking for unique and ... biased stuff.

I'm the guy whining when track x builds a chute or goes 'poly' and runs less races at ridiculous starting-gate/turn configuration.
(A single finish line approach is also going to create some starting-gate configuration biases or require the build of a chute on most main tracks).

The best part (to me) about the lengthened stretch being a bias or unique quirk, is that it occasionally calls into play some positive qualities of a horse like solid fundamentals and stamina. Unlike some biases where the starting gate is in an awful position, or where the rail is gold/dead, a long stretch occasionally rewards good horses and reveals some additional info.


:ThmbUp::ThmbUp: Vive la difference!!! We already have too many tracks that are the equivalent of 70's era multipurpose stadiums. (And thus encourage my love of UK/Irish racing.)

Also, for reference, the Laurel website lists the stretch distances:

Length of stretch from last turn to first finish line -- 1,089 feet
Length of stretch from last turn to second finish line -- 1,419 feet

https://www.laurelpark.com/visitors/track-overview

[Robert Fischer]

:ThmbUp::ThmbUp: Vive la difference!!! We already have too many tracks that are the equivalent of 70's era multipurpose stadiums. (And thus encourage my love of UK/Irish racing.)

Also, for reference, the Laurel website lists the stretch distances:



https://www.laurelpark.com/visitors/track-overview

Thanks. I wasn't that offf in the notes.

Sounds like we are in similar camps as to the variety spicing up the game.