top turf mud sires list anyone

[Jrdhorse]

Does anyone know where I can get a top turf and mud sires list anywhere on the internet??? Used to know where but cant find it anymore.

Thanks

[Larry Hamilton]

define "Top", if it isn't too complicated, I could put it together for you

[Jrdhorse]

I would say the top 50 to 100 for mud and turf sires by percentage of offspring winners highest to lowest each surface.

[Larry Hamilton]

below are two tables, the first shows the best 10 turf sires withe samples greater than 30. The second table shows the best 10 turf sires with samples greater than 100.

win% Sire
0.36 NORTHERN TREND
0.32 COMBAT READY
0.31 FALSTAFF
0.29 RUN TURN
0.29 DR DEVIOUS
0.28 POLITICAL AMBITION
0.27 DELINEATOR
0.27 HIS MAJESTY
0.27 FALTAAT
0.27 DESERT ROYALTY


win% Sire
0.22 DANZIG
0.21 CONCORDE'S TUNE
0.21 KENTUCKY JAZZ
0.20 STORM CAT
0.20 IN EXCESS
0.20 FARMA WAY
0.20 NORTHERN AFLEET
0.20 SPINNING WORLD
0.19 FURIOUSLY
0.19 LORD AT WAR

[Larry Hamilton]

What fascinates me is the fact that in none of the sires in the smaller sample held out to finish in the larger sample. As one on this board is want to say, "They are regressing to the mean." God, I hate that expression.

[Larry Hamilton]

First table is samples of greater than 30 Off Track Sires, where off tracked is defined as NOT FM and NOT FT. Second table is samples of greater than 100

win% Sire
0.35 TOWN CAPER
0.31 BROWN ARC
0.30 FORESTRY
0.28 BALL'S BLUFF
0.27 CEE'S TIZZY
0.26 CLASSIFIED FACTS
0.25 BUCKAROO
0.24 DANZIG
0.24 WESTERN FAME
0.24 ALOMA'S RULER


win% Sire
0.27 CEE'S TIZZY
0.24 ABSTRACT
0.23 LIGHT OF MORN
0.23 CONCERTO
0.22 DILIGENCE
0.22 AVENUE OF FLAGS
0.22 CAPE TOWN
0.22 IN EXCESS
0.22 WILL'S WAY
0.21 MAUDLIN