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highnote
11-22-2004, 01:27 AM
Any thoughts on this article? It also appeared on Yahoo in case it expires here.

Basically, a spending bill was passed that gave two committee chairman and their assistants access to income tax returns without regards to privacy protections. Now they're saying will be repealed.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139208,00.html

JustRalph
11-22-2004, 09:20 AM
Senator McCain was on Meet the Press yesterday. He stated that, that part of the bill will never be signed into law.
It was put in by two staffers who wanted to prove that nobody reads the bills...........

Secretariat
11-22-2004, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by JustRalph
Senator McCain was on Meet the Press yesterday. He stated that, that part of the bill will never be signed into law.
It was put in by two staffers who wanted to prove that nobody reads the bills...........

Excuse me. Are you saying that staffers can now enter anything they want into a bill before it goes onto the Senate? If that's the case, then the House better get their act in order.

Here's what the Approrptiations chair said in the Senate:

"Sen. Ted Stevens (news, bio, voting record), R-Alaska, managing his last bill before he steps down as Appropriations chairman, said in debate Saturday that the "terrible mistake" was a stain on his record. "It is a terrible way to do business." "

The issue is whether Congressman Istook from OK put the info into the bill. He said HE DID, but at the request of the IRS. Sen. Kent Conrad has asked the IRS to reply. so far no answer. WHY WOULD THE IRS ASK FOR A VIOLATION OF PRIVACY SO THAT THE APPROPRITATIONS COMMITTEE COULD LOOK AT ANY INDIVUDAL TAX RETURN WITHOUT ANY CHARGE BEING MADE?

I guess we'll call this Patriot Act 3.

JustRalph
11-22-2004, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Secretariat
Excuse me. Are you saying that staffers can now enter anything they want into a bill before it goes onto the Senate? If that's the case, then the House better get their act in order.

McCain said they don't know who requested it, but staffers did it of their own volition. The bill was 1036 pages and presented to the Senate in the morning and voted on that night. No time to read it all..........I say there is a problem with that.............but as McCain declared........you can go back and fix it later if needed. Not sure if that is a decent excuse or not...........

Tom
11-22-2004, 06:46 PM
Who cares who put that into the bill? The real problem here is that it was presented for a vote with only a few hours to review, and even knowing that the crap was in there, THESE MORONS VOTED ON IT!!!!! We have elected officials voting on things they have not read! Is that not grounds for mass impeachment? Every idiot who voted for that bill needs to be removed from office on the grounds of complete and total incompetence. Give me an hour and I will come with why they should be tried for trreason.
This is unacceptable. Any bill that weighs 14 pounds and has a hidden clause on page 1100 something is an indictment that our government is no longer working.
Now as far as Bush goes, I cannot see how any president can sign this bill into law and claim to represent the people of the United States. This bill is loaded with so much pork they had to rasie the debt ceiling to get it passed. If Bush doen't veto this bill, he will be telling me all I need to know about him, and will support any efforts to impeach and removed him from office. Only a bought and paid for traitor could sign this bill. What will Bush do? Who does Bush represent?

Secretariat
11-22-2004, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Tom
Who cares who put that into the bill? The real problem here is that it was presented for a vote with only a few hours to review, and even knowing that the crap was in there, THESE MORONS VOTED ON IT!!!!! We have elected officials voting on things they have not read! Is that not grounds for mass impeachment? Every idiot who voted for that bill needs to be removed from office on the grounds of complete and total incompetence. Give me an hour and I will come with why they should be tried for trreason.
This is unacceptable. Any bill that weighs 14 pounds and has a hidden clause on page 1100 something is an indictment that our government is no longer working.
Now as far as Bush goes, I cannot see how any president can sign this bill into law and claim to represent the people of the United States. This bill is loaded with so much pork they had to rasie the debt ceiling to get it passed. If Bush doen't veto this bill, he will be telling me all I need to know about him, and will support any efforts to impeach and removed him from office. Only a bought and paid for traitor could sign this bill. What will Bush do? Who does Bush represent?

Well, Tom I would think you would know by now who Bush represents.

I agree with both JR and Tom however.

1. When this was found, the bill should have been tabled, not voted on.

2. No staffer should be able to add items to a bill leaving the house and they should be disciplined severely, but this contradicts the OK Senator who said he put it in at the bequest of the IRS who is still silent on the issue.

3. NO bill should ever be voted on just so they can go on break without having the opportunity read the bill. Congrats to Senator Conrad for finding it.

highnote
11-22-2004, 08:45 PM
I suggest everyone write their elected officials and complain.

Tom
11-22-2004, 08:46 PM
They don't read letters unless there is a $100 bill stapled to them!:rolleyes:

highnote
11-22-2004, 08:59 PM
Also, Bill Moyers made an interesting prediction. He said that now that the Right has control of the religious, corporate and political systems in Washington, there is an increased chance of corruption because of the imbalance of power. He said he is sad that he is retiring because this is a great time to be an investigative reporter.

Could this spending bill be one example of the kind of abuse we will have to deal with when we have an imbalance of power?

I'm not saying that the Left never tried sneaking something through, but I don't recall anything quite like this -- (I'm sure someone can site examples. I'm not a political historian).

js

Tom
11-22-2004, 09:42 PM
When it comes to greed, money, power, there are no red or blue states...they are all green. I think they hold theses elections every four years to get us arguing amoungst ourselves and not looking too closely at them. But the imbalance of power, while it could be a saving grace to get real change implemented and bring about real improvemnts will undoubtedly lead to nothing more that increase wealth for the few in power and we will be left out in the cold again. On its best day, our government is pathetic. Now, with all the chips on one side of the aisle, it can only spell trouble.

*sing*
Doom, dispair, and agony on me.
Deep dark depression,
Excessive misery.
If it weren't for bad luck,
I'd have no luck at all. (Whoooooa!)
Gloom, dispair, and agony on me!

Our new National Anthem.
Stand up, kid.:rolleyes:

kenwoodallpromos
11-22-2004, 10:26 PM
What page# is Bush's resignation on for him to sign without reading?

JustRalph
11-23-2004, 12:10 AM
Bill Moyers having something relevant to say is hysterical.

He has been exposed for the wingnut he is. Laughable......

highnote
11-23-2004, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by JustRalph
Bill Moyers having something relevant to say is hysterical.

He has been exposed for the wingnut he is. Laughable......

Ralph,

I have had the good fortune to have worked for Bill Moyers on and off for the last 20 years. He is very serious about politics and religion. A former Souther Babtist pastor, he is one of the most devout Christians I know. He is one of the best journalists of our day, having won 20 Emmy Awards. He headed the Peace Corps and was President Johnson's press secretary.

I'm sure Moyers has forgotten more about politics and religion in the last 5 seconds than some people on this board will learn in their lifetime.

Respectfully,
John Swetye

JustRalph
11-23-2004, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by swetyejohn
Ralph,

I have had the good fortune to have worked for Bill Moyers on and off for the last 20 years. He is very serious about politics and religion. A former Souther Babtist pastor, he is one of the most devout Christians I know. He is one of the best journalists of our day, having won 20 Emmy Awards. He headed the Peace Corps and was President Johnson's press secretary.

I'm sure Moyers has forgotten more about politics and religion in the last 5 seconds than some people on this board will learn in their lifetime.

Respectfully,
John Swetye
Hey John, if you are going to say it just say it. You meant me. Respectfully my rear end.

Moyers has been exposed. A few years ago he embarrased himself with many comments he made about President Bush and some other topics. He was revealed to be accepting millions of dollars from several groups that are outright opponents of Capitalism, free markets and more. He was revealed to have an agenda of what some have described as socialism. If you know him so well why don't you see if he can sweeten your wallet from some of these donations he has received. Check out the info below and do some basic math on the amount of money he controls and where it goes........many of these grants are yearly and continue for up to five years. You know what they tell the old dogs right? You might want to be careful who lie down with. You might wake up with flea's. Moyers is funding several left wing organizations and supporting others who are Islamic cheerleaders against the U.S. I don't care what the hell he did forty years ago or how much he has forgotten, his recent actions depict whom he really is. I won't vouch for the validity of some of these claims...I am passing them on in the interest of discussion.....but from what I read I have formed an opinion. You can take what you want from it.

Schumann Shills for Saddam
By Jean Pearce
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 21, 2003

For veteran PBS correspondent Bill Moyers, it seems that merely reporting the news and commenting on it will never be enough. While his employers at the taxpayer-funded Public Broadcasting System look the other way, Moyers continues to use his position as the president of the multi-million dollar Florence and John Schumann Foundation to fund leftist groups that have made headlines around the nation. This time, the tax-exempt foundations he oversees are helping anti-war protest groups organize, advertise and get their message out.

In December, the Florence Fund, a subsidiary of the Florence and John Schumann Foundation run by Moyers’ son John Moyers, teamed up with the Win Without War coalition to run a full-page ad in the New York Times opposite the editorial page. The Dec. 15 anti-war ad entitled “Artists Say Win Without War” was signed by over 100 Hollywood artists including Martin Sheen, Jeananne Garafalo, Mike Farrell and Susan Sarandon and made headlines across the nation. But Moyers and company didn’t stop there.

A coupon at the bottom of the ad had a box donors could check that read “YES! I want to help stop the rush to war with Iraq.” It directed donors to make their checks payable to TomPaine.com c/o The Florence Fund/Iraq and mail them to the post office box address used by The Florence Fund. TomPaine.com is a leftist online magazine funded by the Florence Fund.

Brian Albert, The Florence Fund’s Chief Operating Officer, told FrontPageMag.com the ad raised $10,830 in contributions and that John Moyers had requested that there be an assurance in writing that the groups the money went to would spend it on “more ads on the war or more related anti-war activities.”

Fenton Communications Account Coordinator Brendan McCarthy, the press contact for Moveon.org, a member of the Win Without War coalition, said the money the ad raised was used to help pay the cost of running it and to organize the Artists United to Win Without War coalition. “You know, to get everything together for them – press stuff, meetings, organizing people and outreach to potential members,” McCarthy said.

Fenton Communications, it’s worth noting, has a long history of helping movements and regimes with communist and Marxist leanings. In 1986, the communist-led government of Angola’s Bureau of Information and Propaganda hired the company’s owner, David Fenton, to besmirch the image of the right-wing rebels the regime had been battling for years. Fenton has also worked extensively with both the Florence Fund and the Schumann Foundation in the past.

Had they any shame, the above would cause no small amount of embarrassment to the folks at PBS. But apparently, propping up leftist movements in your spare time is an acceptable journalistic practice at the network. So is parading their leaders before their television audience. Perhaps it was merely coincidence that in October, two months before Win Without War’s official campaign kick-off, National Council of Churches General Secretary Bob Edgar, the co-chair of Win Without War, was interviewed on Moyer’s show NOW, along with Michael Orange of the group Veterans for Peace, a coalition member of Win Without War. Or perhaps all a leftist in good standing has to do to get funding for his organization is to appear on Moyers’ show. Either way, Moyers is awfully cozy with the folks he covers.

Too cozy, in fact, for a guy known of late for launching into on-the-air tirades about the bias of just about every other news network but his. (Except Al-Jazeera, of course, which Moyers recommended as a source of news for those who really want to know what’s going on with the war in a recent Salon.com interview.)

“Fox News has become the cheerleader for the government,” Moyers whined on the April 4 edition of NOW. “The powerful corporations that own most of our newspapers, TV and radio want even more power over what you see, read, and hear. But the last person they want to know what they are up to is you. “

The same could be said of Moyers and his entire non-profit organization. Moyers meant what he said when he encouraged the readers of Salon.com to create their own news “kaleidoscope” by turning to the Internet and the alternative press to find out what’s really going on with the war in Iraq. City Pages reported last February that The Florence and John Schumann Foundation had awarded a $25,000 grant to an alternative news website called Cursor.org to help pay for web hosting and raise additional funds.

For the past six months, Cursor.org has joined Moyers in encouraging people to turn away from mainstream media coverage of the war to get “real” information. The Cursor.org site, which features a graphic of Iraqis kicking and yelling at a wounded American soldier, clearly deems “real information” as that available from the largely Islamic news sources it prominently promotes on its website’s homepage.

Moyers and the site’s editors apparently share a mutual affinity for Al-Jazeera, which is tame compared to the other sources cited by the author of the prominently featured article “When ‘Precision’ Bombing Really Isn’t,” on the Cursor.org website.

Among those “sources” was Middle East Online, which last week ran a story glorifying Iraqi soldiers killed in suicide attacks against British troops. “He was a good man. He died defending his country,” one man was quoted as saying of one of the dead Iraqis. “It breaks my heart,” another woman said.

A singular theme dominated Islam Online.net, Middle East Online and Cursor.org last week: the “atrocities” and “war crimes” committed by U.S. troops. It was a theme the sites also shared in common with the Institute of Public Accuracy (IPA), which got its start with a grant and ongoing funding from the Florence and John Schumann Foundation.

Over the last few months, the IPA’s press office has been used as an anti-war media machine, promoting the leaders of the 32 groups in the Win Without War Coalition and the dozens other groups that make up the so-called peace movement as “sources” in thousands of emails and faxes sent to editors, producers and reporters all over the country.

It’s impossible to tell at this point exactly how knee deep the non-profits Moyers oversees are in the anti-war movement because they aren’t required to disclose what other anti-war groups they’ve given money to until the IRS makes public a copy of their tax forms from 2002, which isn’t likely to happen for several months, if not longer.

But one thing is certain. When it comes to overt bias, Moyers stands alone among his colleagues in both the conservative and liberal media as the only television host we know of who reports the news and provides the funding to help create it.

__________________________________________________ __Next article

"True believers in the god of the market would leave us to the ruthless cruelty of unfettered monopolistic capital where even the law of the jungle breaks down."

-- Bill Moyers, Keynote speech to the Environmental Grantmakers Association, October 16, 2001

Bill Moyers, his son John, and their moneyed sidekicks, the Schumann brothers, hate the free market with intemperate ferocity, as the quote above suggests. They spend millions inherited from an IBM founder and a president of the General Motors Acceptance Corporation to tear down America's free market economy. They have their hands in many pies. Here are some.

Triple roles: journalist, advocate, financier
Bill Moyers:
Public Broadcasting Service (PBS), The money, the message, and the messenger. Conflict of interest?
The Florence and John Schumann Foundation, President (part time, 1998 salary $100,043, benefits $4,626)

Bill's background: was Deputy Director of the Peace Corps in the Kennedy Administration and Special Assistant to President Lyndon B. Johnson from 1963-1967. He was a trustee of the Rockefeller Foundation for 12 years, and currently serves as president of The Florence and John Schumann Foundation.

Bill's tactics: Bill Moyers pays advocates to come up with an anti-corporate, anti-capitalist message, then reports the totally biased outcome on PBS television.
For example:

Bill's message: On March 26, 2001, Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) stations across the country aired a 90-minute investigative report on the chemical industry titled "Trade Secrets: A Moyers Report." It came with a 30-minute panel discussion afterward. The report hit the chemical industry. It portrayed them as having engaged decades ago in a cold, calculated cover-up of deadly health effects linked to certain chemicals, resulting in death and illness for many workers. In other words, the program implied that the chemical industry was guilty of premeditated murder of its own employees.Bill's money: For the post-show panel, Moyers chose Kenneth A. Cook, president of the Environmental Working Group (EWG), a rabidly anti-capitalist group funded by big foundations, including Moyers' Florence and John Schumann Foundation. Moyers acknowledged that he had given a "small grant" to EWG (In fact it was four grants, $225,000 in 1989, $35,000 and $50,000 in 1995, and $15,000 in 1999, for a total of $325,000 - a third of a million isn't "small" to most of us).
Moyers also had Dr. Phil Landrigan, a pediatrician and chairman of preventive medicine from the Mount Sinai School of Medicine. In his on-air introduction of Landrigan, Moyers failed to mention that the doctor is also a long-time activist with Physicians for Social Responsibility, an anti-corporate advocacy group.
Both Cook and Landrigan had advance knowledge of the show's subject matter. The chemical industry was represented by two men who had no advance knowledge of the show's contents.
Bill the messenger: He let the chemical guys comment on how he beat them up. To Bill, that's fair.
Totally biased.

Then there's the Moyers hypocrisy.
For example:
Bill's talk: "The single most important thing environmentalists can do to ensure America's national security is to fight to reduce our nation's dependence on oil, whether imported or domestic." Bill Moyers, EGA Keynote Bill's walk: The Schumann Foundation gets the money for its environmental grants in large part from investments in oil and gas companies, according to its most recent available tax returns:

2000 shares of British Petroleum;

5,000 shares Columbia Gas Systems;

4,200 shares Conoco, Inc.;

3,900 shares Keyspan Energy (natural gas distribution);

10,000 shares Noble Affiliates (oil & gas exploration and development);

10,200 shares Pioneer Natural Resource Company (oil & gas exploration and development);

10,000 shares Royal Dutch Petroleum Company (Royal Dutch / Shell Oil holding company);

10,000 shares Shell Transportation and Trading Company (another Royal Dutch / Shell Oil holding company); plus

12,500 shares of Ford Motor Company.

Message? The single most important thing Bill Moyers can do is get rich from our nation's dependence on oil, whether imported or domestic.

Son of Bill
John Moyers:
The Florence and John Schumann Foundation, Executive Director (salary $85,000, benefits $22,228)
The Florence Fund, Executive Director
TomPaine.com (website project of Florence Fund)

"TomPaine.com is a project of The Florence Fund, a 501.c.3 non-profit corporation based in Washington, D.C. We are funded by foundations and individual donors, and we take no corporate or union funding. Nor do we accept advertising -- that gives us editorial independence, and it gives you, our reader, freedom from annoying banner advertising. Our principle funding comes from the Florence and John Schumann Foundation, a major supporter of other independent media efforts, including National Public Radio, the Columbia Journalism Review, public TV's "Frontline" and "POV" documentary series, and The American Prospect magazine."

TomPaine.com may be independent from you and me, but it's not independent from Bill Moyers' money or his opinions.

Friends of Bill
W. Ford Schumann
Robert Schumann
Heirs of the IBM and General Motors Acceptance Corporation money
The Florence and John Schumann Foundation, both brothers are officers
The Florence Fund, both brothers are directors

W. Ford Schumann is principal of the W. Ford Schumann Foundation, trustee of the Aspen Music Festival and School.

Claremont Institute on Tom Paine.com

Bucks for Bill

Bill got bucks from 12 foundations, funneled through 13 recipients.

Bill's Donors: 1. Geraldine R. Dodge Foundation, Inc.; 2. The Kohlberg Foundation, Inc.; 3. The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation; 4. Charles H. Revson Foundation, Inc.; 5. The Nathan Cummings Foundation, Inc.; 6. The Annie E. Casey Foundation; 7. The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation; 8. John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation; 9. The Joyce Foundation; 10. The California Wellness Foundation; 11. The Edna McConnell Clark Foundation; 12. Charles Stewart Mott Foundation.

Recipients That Pass Bucks to Bill: 1. W N E T Channel 13, NYC, NY; 2. Educational Broadcasting Corporation, NYC, NY; 3. American Library Association, Chicago, IL; 4. Genesis Project, NYC, NY; 5. Public Affairs Television, NYC, NY; 6. Jewish Media Fund, NYC, NY; 7. Institute for Christian Jewish Studies, Baltimore, MD; 8. Educational Broadcasting Corporation. WNET Channel 13, NYC, NY; 9. Fetzer Institute, Kalamazoo, MI; 10. Communications Consortium Media Center. Media Center, DC; 11. MDC, Chapel Hill, NC; 12. ETV Endowment of South Carolina, Spartanburg, SC; 13. Chicago Educational Television Association, Chicago, IL.

Grants Bill got:

Record 1
FOUNDATION NAME: Geraldine Rockefeller Dodge Foundation, Inc.
RECIPIENT: W N E T Channel 13, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: For teacher's guide and Web site to accompany PBS series Fooling With Words, with Bill Moyers, based on 1998 Geraldine R. Dodge Poetry Festival
AMOUNT: $150,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1999
Record 2
FOUNDATION NAME: The Kohlberg Foundation, Inc.
RECIPIENT: Educational Broadcasting Corporation, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: For Bill Moyers-On Our Own Terms
AMOUNT: $500,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1998
Record 3
FOUNDATION NAME: The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
RECIPIENT: American Library Association, Chicago, IL
ABSTRACT: For public education programs in conjunction with PBS Series, On Our Own Terms: Moyers on Dying in America
AMOUNT: $170,313 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1999
DURATION: 1.25-year grant
Record 4
FOUNDATION NAME: The Nathan Cummings Foundation, Inc. (The Sara Lee foods fortune)
RECIPIENT: Educational Broadcasting Corporation, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: To conduct research for television series, Living with Dying, with Bill Moyers
AMOUNT: $40,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1997
Record 5
FOUNDATION NAME: Charles H. Revson Foundation, Inc.
RECIPIENT: Genesis Project, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: For various nonprofit organizations to create educational materials and education programs in conjunction with the series, Genesis: A Living Conversation, with Bill Moyers
AMOUNT: $150,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1996
Record 6
FOUNDATION NAME: Charles H. Revson Foundation, Inc.
RECIPIENT: Genesis Project, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: For various nonprofit organizations to create educational materials and education programs in conjunction with the series, Genesis: A Living Conversation, with Bill Moyers
AMOUNT: $34,500 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1996
Record 7
FOUNDATION NAME: The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation
RECIPIENT: Public Affairs Television, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: For research and development of Bill Moyers television special on South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission
AMOUNT: $40,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1997
Record 8
FOUNDATION NAME: Charles H. Revson Foundation, Inc.
RECIPIENT: Public Affairs Television, NYC, NY
RECIPIENT TYPE: Television (A32); Public affairs (W99)
ABSTRACT: To complete film production and development of educational materials for public television series based on stories in the Book of Genesis, with Bill Moyers
AMOUNT: $50,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1995
Record 9
FOUNDATION NAME: Charles H. Revson Foundation, Inc.
RECIPIENT: Jewish Media Fund, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: For initial development phases of educational and outreach activities for Genesis series with Bill Moyers
AMOUNT: $18,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1995
Record 10
FOUNDATION NAME: Charles H. Revson Foundation, Inc.
RECIPIENT: Institute for Christian Jewish Studies, Baltimore, MD
ABSTRACT: To develop model for interfaith and interracial discussion groups in conjunction with Genesis series with Bill Moyers
AMOUNT: $10,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1995
Record 11
FOUNDATION NAME: The Joyce Foundation
RECIPIENT: Educational Broadcasting Corporation. WNET Channel 13, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: For What Can We Do About Violence, program by Bill Moyers
AMOUNT: $150,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1994
Record 12
FOUNDATION NAME: The California Wellness Foundation
RECIPIENT: Public Affairs Television, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: For Bill Moyers production, Overcoming Youth Violence, four-hour introduction to The National Public Television Campaign to Combat Youth Violence
AMOUNT: $250,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1994
Record 13
FOUNDATION NAME: The Annie E. Casey Foundation
RECIPIENT: Educational Broadcasting Corporation, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: For production and promotion of Families First with Bill Moyers
AMOUNT: $35,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1992
Record 14
FOUNDATION NAME: John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation
RECIPIENT: Public Affairs Television, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: For cultural and public affairs productions of Bill Moyers
AMOUNT: $1,500,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1992
DURATION: 3-year grant
Record 15
FOUNDATION NAME: The Nathan Cummings Foundation, Inc.
RECIPIENT: Fetzer Institute, Kalamazoo, MI
ABSTRACT: For Healing and the Mind, with Bill Moyers
AMOUNT: $250,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1990
Record 16
FOUNDATION NAME: The Edna McConnell Clark Foundation
RECIPIENT: Communications Consortium Media Center. Media Center, DC
ABSTRACT: For staff to work with grantees to develop communications strategies in states where family preservation programs are well-established by focusing national media attention on initiatives and by building additional communications activities around Bill Moyers' documentary on family preservation
AMOUNT: $175,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1991
DURATION: 1 1/2-year grant
Record 17
FOUNDATION NAME: Charles Stewart Mott Foundation (General Motors money)
RECIPIENT: MDC, Chapel Hill, NC
ABSTRACT: For outreach work related to documentary All Our Children with Bill Moyers and subsequent teleconferences
AMOUNT: $20,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1991
Record 18
FOUNDATION NAME: Charles Stewart Mott Foundation
RECIPIENT: ETV Endowment of South Carolina, Spartanburg, SC
ABSTRACT: For additional promotional and production costs for Bill Moyers' documentary, All Our Children
AMOUNT: $75,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1991DURATION: 1 1/4-year grant
Record 19
FOUNDATION NAME: Charles Stewart Mott Foundation
RECIPIENT: ETV Endowment of South Carolina, Spartanburg, SC
ABSTRACT: For reprinting and distributing additional promotional materials and technical assistance guides in support of repeat telecasting of Bill Moyers All Our Children documentary
AMOUNT: $35,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1991
Record 20
FOUNDATION NAME: Geraldine R. Dodge Foundation, Inc.
RECIPIENT: W N E T Channel 13, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: To produce teacher education guide for high schools and colleges to accompany Moyers: The Power of the Word, six-part series on contemporary poetry inspired by Dodge Foundation's biennial Poetry Festival at Waterloo Village
AMOUNT: $80,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1989
Record 21
FOUNDATION NAME: Charles Stewart Mott Foundation
RECIPIENT: MDC, Chapel Hill, NC
ABSTRACT: For outreach activities related to Mott-funded documentary on at-risk youth being produced by Bill Moyers for airing in early 1991 on national public television network
AMOUNT: $99,221 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1990
Record 22
FOUNDATION NAME: Charles Stewart Mott Foundation
RECIPIENT: ETV Endowment of South Carolina, Spartanburg, SC
ABSTRACT: For outreach programs and activities related to Mott-funded documentary on at-risk youth produced by Bill Moyers for airing in early 991 on national public television network
AMOUNT: $300,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1990
Record 23
FOUNDATION NAME: John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation
RECIPIENT: Educational Broadcasting Corporation, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: For production of programs by Bill Moyers for WNET, Channel 13
AMOUNT: $625,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1989
DURATION: 3-year grant
Record 24
FOUNDATION NAME: John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation
RECIPIENT: Educational Broadcasting Corporation, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: For challenge grant for weekly production of The World of Ideas, under direction of Bill Moyers, for WNET, Channel 13
AMOUNT: $1,875,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1989
DURATION: 3-year grant
Record 25
FOUNDATION NAME: John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation
RECIPIENT: Chicago Educational Television Association, Chicago, IL
ABSTRACT: For weekly production of The World of Ideas, under direction of Bill Moyers
AMOUNT: $1,875,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1989
DURATION: 3-year grant
Record 26
FOUNDATION NAME: John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation
RECIPIENT: Chicago Educational Television Association, Chicago, IL
ABSTRACT: For production of programs produced by Bill Moyers for WTTW, Channel 11
AMOUNT: $625,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1989
DURATION: 3-year grant
Record 27
FOUNDATION NAME: Charles Stewart Mott Foundation
RECIPIENT: Educational Broadcasting Corporation, NYC, NY
ABSTRACT: For production costs of 90-minute documentary by Bill Moyers building upon findings of 1988 Mott-sponsored report, America's Shame, America's Hope: Twelve Million Youth At Risk
AMOUNT: $850,000 YEAR AUTHORIZED: 1989

Equineer
11-23-2004, 01:48 PM
JustRalph,

Your news source is FrontPageMagazine?

Give me another 20! :)

After hanging out at FrontPageMag.Com, you should be able snap off 20 pushups right-handed-only.

highnote
11-23-2004, 10:04 PM
I'm sure Moyers has forgotten more about politics and religion in the last 5 seconds than some people on this board will learn in their lifetime.

Respectfully,
John Swetye



Originally posted by JustRalph
Hey John, if you are going to say it just say it. You meant me. Respectfully my rear end.



Ralph,
I meant no disrespect. The remark about how much Moyer had forgotten was intended as "hyperbole", an exaggeration, to make a point. It was intended for no one. But I suppose it could apply to many people, including myself. There are not too many people in the world who have the years of experience Moyers has in religion and politics and at the highest levels of this country. I have no doubt he has forgotten more about politics and religion than I will ever know.



Moyers has been exposed. A few years ago he embarrased himself with many comments he made about President Bush and some other topics.

I would be interested in knowing what those remarks were. He has been critical of some of the President's policies.

One of his big concerns is media consolidation -- TV, newspaper and radio. Fewer companies disseminate the news. That means less diverse views. By Moyers working in Public TV he is free to criticize media consolidation and not worry about losing his job. If some reporter from ABC is critical of the management of ABC, he or she would be out of a job. I may not agree with all his criticisms, but I defend his right to make them.



He was revealed to be accepting millions of dollars from several groups that are outright opponents of Capitalism, free markets and more.


Which groups are those? That brings up an interesting question... is it wrong to accept money from those types of groups? I suppose it depends on what you do with it?




He was revealed to have an agenda of what some have described as socialism.

Who are those that described him as having a socialist agenda? President Johnson did fight for a lot of social causes.



If you know him so well why don't you see if he can sweeten your wallet from some of these donations he has received.

I wish it were that easy. He expects me to actually do some work to get paid.



Check out the info below and do some basic math on the amount of money he controls and where it goes........many of these grants are yearly and continue for up to five years.

I don't think those sums of money are outrageous. Especially when you consider what it costs to produce one Hollywood film. Just to make a semi-low budget 1/2 hour show such as "Wild America" or "The Crocodile Hunter" probably costs about $30,000 per episode. Many shows can easily cost $100,000 per episode. A full scale documentary can cost millions to make. I don't see anything out of the ordinary there. And also, he is well respected, so he's going to find it easier to raise money than say some small time unknown documentary filmmaker.




You know what they tell the old dogs right? You might want to be careful who lie down with. You might wake up with flea's.

Given the alternatives, I'll take my chances.


Moyers is funding several left wing organizations and supporting others who are Islamic cheerleaders against the U.S.


I don't think Moyers funds anyone. I doubt he is that wealthy. If he is, I have no problem with him funding left wing organizations. That's his right. No different than someone funding right wing organizations.

I don't know the "Islamic cheerleaders against the U.S." you're talking about. I'd be interested in knowing more about that.

... his recent actions depict whom he really is.

I think he'd agree with that. I don't see any proof of anything un-Christian-like or Un-American in his actions.



I won't vouch for the validity of some of these claims...I am passing them on in the interest of discussion.....but from what I read I have formed an opinion. You can take what you want from it.

You say you won't vouch for the validity of these claims, and in the next sentence you say you have formed an opinion. Fair enough. But I would take what I read with a grain of salt. There is a lot of spin out there. Both the Right and Left have done masterful jobs of twisting what their opponents say or do.

All I can say is that having worked directly with him for on various projects over the past 20 years, he has always treated everyone with dignity and respect. He has conservative commentators on his "Now" program and he always lets them express their views. He may ask tough questions, but he is never disrespectful. I've yet to see a shouting match on his show.


He has done some wonderful shows. The "Power of Myth" with Joseph Campbell comes to mind. He's done some very good work on "Kids and Chemicals". I forget the statistic, but if you measured the chemicals in our bodies, some of those chemicals didn't even exist a hundred years ago. What are the long term effects -- especially on our kids? He is retiring soon, and there aren't many people who are able to produce the types of shows that raise the public awareness on certain issues to the level that he can.

Ralph, I mean it when I say...

Respectfully,
John Swetye