When does the money train arrive?

[JustMissed]

A) a train leaves NY for LA, going 65 mph; and 8 hours and 25 minutes later a train leaves LA for NY going 88 mph. When they pass, which one will be closer to NY?

B)Old Gray Mare and Fast Filly are your two prime contenders in a 6F Dirt NW4L at Mountaineer. OGM, an S horse, runs an average Bris late pace of 84. FF, an EP, runs an average LP of 72.

Dana Whittney is aboard OGM, Deshawn Parker aboard FF.

Assuming a fast, fair track with no bias:

a. Can Old Gray Mare pass Fast Filly in the stretch and if so, what part of the stretch? Based on E1 & E2, OGM should be trailing FF 4.5 lengths at the quarter pole.

b. If Dana passes Deshawn in the stretch, what does he say to him as he passes?

Answer A and B correctly and you might be able to cash more tickets.

JM

[hurrikane]

I'm going to hazard a guess that OGM doesn't pass. Without even looking at the race I know S horses don't do well at MNR, esp 6f and Dana doesn't race well on S horses. But as I say..haven't looked at the race and probably won't get a chance too.

As for the train...I didn't think there were any direct trains from LA to NY. So, assuming there are more stops in the east than the midwest I am going to say the trains will be closer to NY. :D

[midnight]

A) The train from New York will be closer to New York at the point where the trains cross, which would be true no matter when either one left or whatever speed they travelled at, provided that both have left their respective cities before they meet.

B) a) Old Gray Mare won't get past Fast Filly. The latter will win by 3 or 4 lengths, hand-ridden
b) If Dana passes Deshawn, he'll say: "I'll call the horse ambulance for you" because the only way OGM will pass FF is if the latter breaks down.

[DJofSD]

A) a train leaves NY for LA, going 65 mph; and 8 hours and 25 minutes later a train leaves LA for NY going 88 mph. When they pass, which one will be closer to NY?


Ya gotta make a lot of assumptions to try and answer this problem, i.e. you didn't state all of the initial conditions <BFSEG>.

DJofSD

[Dave Schwartz]

trains are in the same place.

[midnight]

Or you could look at it from another point of view and say that when the trains FINISH passing each other, the train from California will be closer to New York (by its length). I was assuming the relative position when the trains first met (nose to nose) at which time the train from New York would be a train-length closer to New York.

[JustMissed]

Question B is solved using the distance formula;Distance=Rate x Time. It just happens that the 2nd call of a 6 panel race is at the quarter pole with 1,320 feet left to run to the wire. I use ten feet for a beaten length but some folk use 11, don't think it really matters.

I know most here know the late pace distances but for the benefit of any new players I thought I'd just mention that the late pace distances are not 2 furlongs for all races.

JM

[hdcper]

Just Missed,

OGM wins the race by 1 ½ lengths and actually comes head and head with FF 330feet from the wire. Basically, FF has an E2 number 9 pts better than OGM at the 4f pole which results in a 4 ½ length lead. But OGM gains 6 lengths on FF from the 4f pole to the wire, because his LP average is 12 pts better than FF (which results in an 6 length gain on FF, or overtaking FF at the 330feet marker and pulling away to a 1 ½ length win at the wire).

Enjoyed the problem,

Bill (Hdcper)

[JustMissed]

Hdcper, nice job.

You fellows were right on with the trains. When they passed they are both the same distance from New York.

Another way to look at the horse race is to figure out how far the horses have to run in the stretch and at what rate of speed.

At the quarter pole, OGM is exactly 1,320 feet from the wire running at a rate of 84 pace points. At that instant, FF is exactly 1,270 feet from the wire running at a rate of 72 pace points.

Simply divide the feet to run by the rate and you get respective time factors for each horse of 15.71 and 17.64. Obviously, OGM has enough time and distance left to pass FF late in the stretch.

I have found this to work pretty well with specialist but gets a little hairy with stretch outs.

For example, the Late Pace distance for 6F is 1,320 feet, for a 7F it is 1,980 feet, an increase 50 percent.

When you have a 6F runner going head-to-head with a 7F specialist and you start comparing the LP figs, you've got to wonder if your 6er can carry that LP pace for the additional furlong? Even more tricky is when the past races were at 5.5F and the 2nd call was at 3/8 mile instead of 1/2 mile.YUCK.

JM

[kenwoodallpromos]

Dave beat me on a).
b) I say Fast Filly wins easily, just because it is a NW4L and FF is 4.5 in front at the 1/4. I would bet FF if I could bet at the 1/4 pole.