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JustRalph
08-21-2020, 10:40 PM
https://coloradosun.com/2020/08/17/denver-coronavirus-deaths-heart-attack/

Amazing info here

PaceAdvantage
08-21-2020, 11:15 PM
Wow, so more people ended up dying at home with heart attacks then dying from COVID-19.

clicknow & hcap are seen nodding approval no doubt.

Stauffer and his colleagues found that the number of people in Denver who died of cardiac arrests at home in the two weeks following the statewide stay-at-home order was greater than the total number of people who died of COVID-19 in the city during that time.With COVID-19(84) you CAN'T BE TOO SAFE...DYING OF A HEART ATTACK is better than catching COVID-19(84) and living.

clicknow
08-21-2020, 11:32 PM
Interesting hypothesis, looking forward to more research. Harvard Health said similar thing back in July. Wonder if he read that article? That maybe some people were having their heart attacks at home. Again, only a hypothesis, as your doctor also clearly stated.


What is interesting is that there are more than the original 3 covid categories we thought there were (i.e. asymptomatic; those who get briefly ill and recover; those that end up in ICU).

I find this worrisome. Now there appears to be a 4th category, called long haul covid. There's a group of mostly medical personnel who have been discussing their recuperation, months later, and showing heart damage, neurological damage, etc. that they did not have pre-covid.....but nobody knows if it will *eventually* go away. There are clinics opening now to treat them and figure out why they are still sick months later.

One study showed some showed structural changes to their hearts, evidence of a biomarker signaling cardiac injury typically found after a heart attack, and some had signs of inflammation.

Viruses can do these things of course. Many medical sites saying this now.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid19-concerns-about-lasting-heart-damage/

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200729/recovered-covid-patients-often-have-heart-damage

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/can-coronavirus-cause-heart-damage

oughtoh
08-22-2020, 01:27 AM
Just think if Biden wins and make us sty home again the amount of people that will die of heart attacks.

clicknow
08-22-2020, 01:48 AM
clicknow & hcap are seen nodding approval no doubt.

Yes, beccause I believe covid-19 is serious, nor voting for Trump, I guess that must mean I somehow approve of people dying of heart attacks because they won't go to the hospital. :lol:


BTW, you no doubt saw the word "hypothesis" in the article. Right now much more of the research points to covid-19 actually causing heart problems in previously healthy people.


While you go on about what you said months ago, I'll repeat what I said months ago: The economy is 65-70% retail driven and the cliff is coming at 100 mph. Get the numbers down or just keep experiencing the pain.


What is so simple seems beyond the ability of our leadership and citizens to do, I'll use someone else's smart essay: ‘It’s Not Who Has the Most Deaths; It’s Who’s Doing What to Prevent the Spread’


"…one of the things that epidemiologists are saying very clearly is, If you do want to reopen schools, far more important than paying attention to how much hand sanitizer there is on hand, is make sure there isn’t a lot of virus out there that people can be catching, right? That’s how it’s worked in other countries, in Europe and Asia, where they have started reopening schools. It’s much safer to do it if the virus isn’t running wild out in the community.

That is a lesson that seems to be really, really hard for everybody to understand, is that, when you’re talking about containment, when you’re talking about trying to get the viral levels down,it’s not even just about saving people from getting sick or dying right now. It’s about getting us back to a point where we can keep the virus at a very low level, so that you can start to do some things and reopen the economy and reopen schools, and maybe reopen offices and other indoor things (even though indoors is very dangerous), because you’ve created the context for that...."

...But that gets lost in the noise of “Who has the highest death rate?".

So what ARE we doing to make this happen?
Sturgis?

This?
https://twitter.com/CvilleHoller/status/1296784114570362881


GET THE NUMBERS DOWN in order to get the economy up. Over and out.

All it requires is some thoughtful behaviors. And I'm quite sure I get out and about a heck of a lot more than some of you....I'm pretty sure of that, actually. Nobody is hiding in the house here. But wherever I go I'm very aware of community spread and how it happens, I don't contribute to it. I pump my gas either protect my hands with a paper towel while doing it, or I santiize after doing it, before touching my steering wheel or my mouth nose eyes. Very simple things.

PaceAdvantage
08-22-2020, 02:51 AM
And I'm quite sure I get out and about a heck of a lot more than some of you....I'm pretty sure of that, actually. Nobody is hiding in the house here. But wherever I go I'm very aware of community spread and how it happens, I don't contribute to it. I pump my gas either protect my hands with a paper towel while doing it, or I santiize after doing it, before touching my steering wheel or my mouth nose eyes. Very simple things.You don't know jack shit about people on this board.

You and everyone else is 100% clueless about the real world experiences of everyone else on this board, unless you know the person IRL or they choose to share publicly here.

So just stop with the nonsense.

As for GETTING THE NUMBERS DOWN...they would have been way down by now if we had all followed the Sweden model.

Which graph would you rather be today? (not talking ABSOLUTE numbers here, of course...just which graph shape would you rather live in?)

http://www.paceadvantage.com/images/SWEDEN_USA_082220.jpg

Tor Ekman
08-22-2020, 11:03 AM
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So let's shut down society and deprive ourselves of all of the reasons that make life worth living.



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So let's shut down society and deprive ourselves of all of the reasons that make life worth living.



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That's cold-hearted, man! Shutting down everything would have been worth it to save one life! ALL LIVES MATTER.

Tor Ekman
08-22-2020, 12:33 PM
That's cold-hearted, man! Shutting down everything would have been worth it to save one life! ALL LIVES MATTER.
How dare you say "ALL LIVES MATTER" you racist!!! ;)

ElKabong
08-22-2020, 01:49 PM
And I'm quite sure I get out and about a heck of a lot more than some of you....I'm pretty sure of that, actually. Nobody is hiding in the house here. But wherever I go I'm very aware of community spread and how it happens, I don't contribute to it. I pump my gas either protect my hands with a paper towel while doing it, or I santiize after doing it, before touching my steering wheel or my mouth nose eyes. Very simple things.

QUICK! Tell me how often I get out and for what duration. Get it wrong, and you're outed as being full of shit.

Clock is ticking. Waiting for the guess, er, answer

Actor
08-22-2020, 05:38 PM
Wow, so more people ended up dying at home with heart attacks then dying from COVID-19.Heart disease is not contagious.

clicknow
08-22-2020, 06:10 PM
As for GETTING THE NUMBERS DOWN...they would have been way down by now if we had all followed the Sweden model

The swedes trust their government, and their government trusted its people to voluntarily follow the protocols.

There WERE protocols. People did practice social distancing, etc.

Here, that would be a free for all. :lol:

Of course the quality of life in the Democratic Socialist nations is way above ours in every way, but every time any comparison between the US and Sweden or any other Nordic country is brought up, we hear the same chorus:

"we can't be like them, Sweden only has a mere 10 million people and the U.S, has 362 million people. We have 36+ times their population and Sweden is only the size of our one state of California! Sweden's land mass is less than Texas!" blah blah blah

But I guess when its convenient to use them .......

By the way, South Korea never had a lockdown. I was talking about them quite a lot in the beginning.....asking why we couldn't do what they were doing........and again I was told we couldn't do what they do and we are too different, etc. Go back and read the posts, and see all the excuses.

Now all of sudden, we miraculously "could" be like So K. and Sweden?


Meanwhile, now we are basically, doing this, for months actually. Everyone out and about doing their thing. Protests, concerts, dance parties in clubs and pools, crowded bars, Sturgis. So pretty soon we'll achieve what they did, right? The economy will spring back.

Hope everyone is doing their part toward herd immunity.

I'm not. :D

PaceAdvantage
08-22-2020, 06:15 PM
Heart disease is not contagious.HOLY SHIT WOW. THANKS FOR THAT VALUABLE INFORMATION!

PaceAdvantage
08-22-2020, 06:16 PM
Here, that would be a free for all. :lol:Bullshit. x100

Keep rewriting history with the rest of them.

I'll keep reminding you what a con artist you are...along with all the others.

PaceAdvantage
08-22-2020, 06:33 PM
The bottom line truth is that we never had a chance.

We were told "lock down for a couple of weeks..."

That turned into "lock down for a couple of months..."

Then, when lock downs were about to start lifting...BAM...George Floyd and massive protests and looting and rioting...much of it mask-less...all of it wholly endorsed by left-leaning politicians and most of the media...thereby ensuring that there would be a massive spike in infections....which there has been....thus threatening even more lock downs....

Many schools not opening...

All the bullshit continuing on, not coincidentally, into the election...which was the plan all along.

So no, we never had a shot to be like Sweden, because that wasn't the agenda from the start.

It has nothing to do with socialism, capitalism, democratic socialism, or a culture difference between Nordic countries and the USA. Although that was a nice try.

Tor Ekman
08-22-2020, 06:36 PM
And I'm quite sure I get out and about a heck of a lot more than some of you....I'm pretty sure of that, actually. Nobody is hiding in the house here. But wherever I go I'm very aware of community spread and how it happens, I don't contribute to it. I pump my gas either protect my hands with a paper towel while doing it, or I santiize after doing it, before touching my steering wheel or my mouth nose eyes. Very simple things. Hey Clicky, this week I'm taking my camper-van up to Maine to spend a few days at the beach with my wife and dog now that it's open to NYers without need for negative Covid test . . . what do you have scheduled, some games of Words with Friends between you HCAP, both of you hiding under your beds with hand sanitizer??? :lol:

clicknow
08-22-2020, 07:05 PM
QUICK! Tell me how often I get out and for what duration. Get it wrong, and you're outed as being full of shit.

Clock is ticking. Waiting for the guess, er, answer

You've already shared that you are out and about. I remember you were selling masks. And looking at real estate, travelling around?

There just seems to be a strong message that somehow those who believe covid-19 is serious and/or take precautions like mask wearing or social distancing are hiding in their closets all day.

They aren't. Well some might be. There are people on forums I go to that logs a lot of posts daily, and at all hours, so I guess they are shut ins?

Didn't you also say you thought you had already gotten a milder case of covid early on?

I can't, and certainly will not blame, anyone for not wanting to take risks if that is how they want to live their lives. Its theirs to do as they wish with. Just like their vote.

I also would never hassle anyone who wasn't social distancing or masked. I just remove myself from their proximity. That is very easy to do. What is with all these weirdos who cough on other people, or conversely, demand that others to put on a mask, etc. if it is not in the course of their actual employment to ask anyone to do so?

I'm very socially libertarian.

Most people are just nice. I was at the mineral water spiggots the other day, and you do have to stand close to others. I took my mask out of the truck and approached the fountain..... The guy who was already there reached in his pocket for his mask, and I said "no need to do that for my benefit.....you go ahead and finish what you're doing, and I will sit over here on this nice bench til you're done". We ended up having a good conversation, me on the bench, he at the fountain, while he did his filling up. I told him it was really nice of him to offer to be reciprocal with the masks though, and he explained that he liked to make people comfortable because..... kindness. He owns a business nearby for 25 years and he has gained another customer.

clicknow
08-22-2020, 07:14 PM
Hey Clicky, this week I'm taking my camper-van up to Maine to spend a few days at the beach with my wife and dog now that it's open to NYers without need for negative Covid test . . . what do you have scheduled, some games of Words with Friends between you HCAP, both of you hiding under your beds with hand sanitizer??? :lol:

I have never quoted nor even agreed with HCAP. Mostly I skip over his posts, but a few times I have actually called him out.

What a shame for you that you have to label and bash people like this.


This is a gang-up forum. Sad.

Have fun in Maine. Dont forget your hand sanitizer. ;)

PaceAdvantage
08-22-2020, 07:33 PM
This is a gang-up forum. Sad.:lol:

:pout:

:(

You can fix this, you know. The power is all in your hands.

PaceAdvantage
08-22-2020, 07:34 PM
There just seems to be a strong message that somehow those who believe covid-19 is serious and/or take precautions like mask wearing or social distancing are hiding in their closets all day.Who? Where?

I wear a mask when out among strangers. I social distance.

I am not hiding in my closet.

Not only am I not hiding, I am inviting STRANGERS into my home voluntarily.

So tell us again...who are these mysterious people you are talking about?

Tor Ekman
08-22-2020, 08:29 PM
Have fun in Maine. Dont forget your hand sanitizer. ;) a) We will
b) Chilly salt water of Maine is all I need

ElKabong
08-23-2020, 05:34 PM
You've already shared that you are out and about. I remember you were selling masks. And looking at real estate, travelling around?

There just seems to be a strong message that somehow those who believe covid-19 is serious and/or take precautions like mask wearing or social distancing are hiding in their closets all day.

They aren't. Well some might be. There are people on forums I go to that logs a lot of posts daily, and at all hours, so I guess they are shut ins?

Didn't you also say you thought you had already gotten a milder case of covid early on?

I can't, and certainly will not blame, anyone for not wanting to take risks if that is how they want to live their lives. Its theirs to do as they wish with. Just like their vote.

I also would never hassle anyone who wasn't social distancing or masked. I just remove myself from their proximity. That is very easy to do. What is with all these weirdos who cough on other people, or conversely, demand that others to put on a mask, etc. if it is not in the course of their actual employment to ask anyone to do so?

I'm very socially libertarian.

Most people are just nice. I was at the mineral water spiggots the other day, and you do have to stand close to others. I took my mask out of the truck and approached the fountain..... The guy who was already there reached in his pocket for his mask, and I said "no need to do that for my benefit.....you go ahead and finish what you're doing, and I will sit over here on this nice bench til you're done". We ended up having a good conversation, me on the bench, he at the fountain, while he did his filling up. I told him it was really nice of him to offer to be reciprocal with the masks though, and he explained that he liked to make people comfortable because..... kindness. He owns a business nearby for 25 years and he has gained another customer.

All those words and paragraphs and you didn't answer my question

"I don't know" would have sufficed.

biggestal99
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So let's shut down society and deprive ourselves of all of the reasons that make life worth living.



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175,000 human being dead is a okay in your book.

Not mine however.

Shows the chasm between the republicans and the democrats.

Allan

tucker6
08-24-2020, 10:31 AM
175,000 human being dead is a okay in your book.

Not mine however.

Shows the chasm between the republicans and the democrats.

Allan
I don't for a minute believe you actually care about those 175,000 except as cannon fodder for your ideology and agenda. Same with HCAP. He doesn't actually care about any of those people. He cares about using those dead people as exhibits to support his agenda. That's why you guys fight tooth and nail against any protocol that might mitigate this illness and stem the deaths.

Let me ask you a simple question and answer truthfully. Would you be happy in your heart of hearts if a vaccine was approved on October 1st if it prevents all these deaths but also gives Trump a victory in November? Be truthful now.

jay68802
08-24-2020, 10:39 AM
175,000 human being dead is a okay in your book.

Not mine however.

Shows the chasm between the republicans and the democrats.

Allan

But you are happy to support the 3,000 daily abortions in the US? How about the skyrocketing murder rates in the Dem cities? These deaths are OK, because you can't blame them on Trump. But the covid deaths are the "tragedy", because they are politicized.

tucker6
08-24-2020, 11:38 AM
But you are happy to support the 3,000 daily abortions in the US? How about the skyrocketing murder rates in the Dem cities? These deaths are OK, because you can't blame them on Trump. But the covid deaths are the "tragedy", because they are politicized.

The truth from the left:

Abortions - Those humans don't vote so don't care. Mostly black too.

Murder in cities - Those are mostly black, and we already have those voters.

Covid deaths - Marketable talking point. They're killing grandma.

Tom
08-24-2020, 12:34 PM
The truth from the left:

Abortions - Those humans don't vote so don't care. Mostly black too.

Murder in cities - Those are mostly black, and we already have those voters.

Covid deaths - Marketable talking point. They're killing grandma.

Besides, death never stopped a dem from voting!

Death is just a state of mind.........

Tom
08-24-2020, 12:37 PM
175,000 human being dead is a okay in your book.

Not mine however.

Shows the chasm between the republicans and the democrats.

Allan

Not ok, but pretty much unavoidable.
Would have been a lot higher if Trump had not acted on January 31, in SPITE of Sleepy Joe's 100% OBJECTION to his actions, like all the dems.......had a dem been in the WH, we might have hit twice that by now.

Idiots governors. like NY and NJ responsible for far more deaths than Trump.

Actor
08-24-2020, 05:46 PM
Do the math:

175,416/330,000,000 = 0.05315636364%

So let's shut down society and deprive ourselves of all of the reasons that make life worth living.


175,415 is 3.5 times more than the people we lost in Viet Nam over a decade. This figure is from only 8 months.
The 0.05315636364% is that low because of steps taken to combat the disease.
For life to be worth living you have to be alive. When hurricanes are on the way you take get out of the way. When the weather service issues a tornado warning you take shelter. When a forrest fire is headed your way you evacuate. If you don't do these things then you are nominating yourself for a Darwin Award.
The shut down will not last forever.

PaceAdvantage
08-24-2020, 05:51 PM
The shut down will not last forever.It doesn't have to...

ElKabong
08-24-2020, 06:06 PM
175,000 human being dead is a okay in your book.

Not mine however.

Shows the chasm between the republicans and the democrats.

Allan

chasm you say? Try this on, Titus

Texas has a greater population than NY and NJ combined (29,472,295 v 28,377,043, per first link)

Yet NY and NJ has 4x the reported # of deaths by covid (48,829 v 11,699 per 2nd link)

The "chasm" is the leadership we have vs the shit-pile you have in office in NY, NJ. The numbers tell the story. I would challenge you to explain the disparity but you haven't displayed the ability to do so intelligently lately. Just spout biased nonsense



https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us-states-by-population.html

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1103688/coronavirus-covid19-deaths-us-by-state/

Actor
08-24-2020, 07:51 PM
It doesn't have to...Meaning what?

PaceAdvantage
08-24-2020, 08:22 PM
You know.

fast4522
12-06-2020, 09:59 PM
You don't know jack shit about people on this board.

You and everyone else is 100% clueless about the real world experiences of everyone else on this board, unless you know the person IRL or they choose to share publicly here.

So just stop with the nonsense.

As for GETTING THE NUMBERS DOWN...they would have been way down by now if we had all followed the Sweden model.

Which graph would you rather be today? (not talking ABSOLUTE numbers here, of course...just which graph shape would you rather live in?)

http://www.paceadvantage.com/images/SWEDEN_USA_082220.jpg

Maybe not.

Long a Holdout From Covid-19 Restrictions, Sweden Ends Its Pandemic Experiment. . . .

https://www.wsj.com/articles/long-a-holdout-from-covid-19-restrictions-sweden-ends-its-pandemic-experiment-11607261658

PaceAdvantage
12-06-2020, 10:20 PM
Yeah...now Sweden is going to try WHAT HASN'T WORKED FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD.

Definition of insanity again? :lol::lol::lol:

hcap
12-07-2020, 05:29 AM
https://coloradosun.com/2020/08/17/denver-coronavirus-deaths-heart-attack/

Amazing info hereThere is much we still don't know. For instance your article is from August, this from a few days ago.
What does this tell us?

COVID-19 was the leading cause of death in the U.S. this week, report
says
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-leading-cause-of-death-united-states-this-week/

OVID-19 was ranked as the leading cause of death in the U.S. this week, with 11,820, according to the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. That's more than the number of Americans who died from ischemic heart disease (10,724), tracheal, bronchus and lung cancer (3,965), and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (3,766).

In the U.S., coronavirus cases have surpassed 14.3 million, and more than 278,500 deaths have been recorded, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University. A model often used by the White House said the death toll could hit half a million by March 1 if the current trend continues. That same model said if Americans wore masks for the next four months, it could save 66,000 lives.

boxcar
12-07-2020, 06:58 AM
175,000 human being dead is a okay in your book.

Not mine however.

Shows the chasm between the republicans and the democrats.

Allan

Ahh...you're such a compassionate guy.

Tell us, please, what number of deaths would turn off your Armageddon switch and get you out of panic, fear and hysteria mode. :coffee:

hcap
12-07-2020, 10:47 AM
There has been a constant refrain, a overriding theme by PA skeptics that
there is no virus, or more commonly it's effects are grossly exaggerated,
people are dying way less, hospitals are not hospitalizing real covid cases and charging and lying about it, and covid testing is totally blown out of proportion 100's of times, all perpetrated by covert cabal of globalists who have enlisted all mainstream health professionals to deceive the entire world.

Especially deceiving PA off topic.

You deniers employ various strategies from cherry picking opinions and speculations contrary to accepted science, and expand those hypothesis
into proven well supported fact. Advancements in science include new theories and speculation, but moving on from "it could be", to "most likely it is" does not happen by amateurs insisting it has.

The theme that "Cure: much worse than da disease" presented here is another objection to public health measures. I get the objection especially as far as restaurants (sorry Ralph) go, but in this case guys, not the science.

I posted earlier a recent analysis of covid data

"OVID-19 was ranked as the leading cause of death in the U.S. this week, with 11,820, according to the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. That's more than the number of Americans who died from ischemic heart disease (10,724), tracheal, bronchus and lung cancer (3,965), and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (3,766)."


Kinda difficult to reason the cure (lock downs) being worse than the once in a century 1918 Spanish Flu level of this disease. Particulary when you folks take a knee jerking belief that lock downs are either full scale or nothing at all.

davew
12-07-2020, 10:54 AM
There has been a constant refrain, a overriding theme by PA skeptics that
there is no virus, or more commonly it's effects are grossly exaggerated,
people are dying way less, hospitals are not hospitalizing real covid cases and charging and lying about it, and covid testing is totally blown out of proportion 100's of times, all perpetrated by covert cabal of globalists who have enlisted all mainstream health professionals to deceive the entire world.

Especially deceiving PA off topic.

You deniers employ various strategies from cherry picking opinions and speculations contrary to accepted science, and expand those hypothesis
into proven well supported fact. Advancements in science include new theories and speculation, but moving on from "it could be", to "most likely it is" does not happen by amateurs insisting it has.

The theme that "Cure: much worse than da disease" presented here is another objection to public health measures. I get the objection especially as far as restaurants (sorry Ralph) go, but in this case guys, not the science.

I posted earlier a recent analysis of covid data

"OVID-19 was ranked as the leading cause of death in the U.S. this week, with 11,820, according to the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. That's more than the number of Americans who died from ischemic heart disease (10,724), tracheal, bronchus and lung cancer (3,965), and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (3,766)."


Kinda difficult to reason the cure (lock downs) being worse than the once in a century 1918 Spanish Flu level of this disease. Particulary when you folks take a knee jerking belief that lock downs are either full scale or nothing at all.

if you like your cure, you can keep your cure ;)

hcap
12-07-2020, 11:01 AM
if you like your cure, you can keep your cure ;)Do you ever compose a thinking response, or one longer than 2 irrelevant sentences?

woodtoo
12-07-2020, 11:12 AM
Do you ever compose a thinking response, or one longer than 2 irrelevant sentences?

Replying to you that is the optimal reply, its just that you are never happy Harry and demand intelligence when none is required

hcap
12-07-2020, 11:38 AM
Replying to you that is the optimal reply, its just that you are never happy Harry and demand intelligence when none is requiredI am quite happy, but never get intelligence from PA skeptics when it is required

46zilzal
12-07-2020, 11:57 AM
Heart disease is not contagious.

Some viral cardiomyopathies are:

Viral cardiomyopathy occurs when viral infections cause myocarditis with a resulting thickening of the myocardium and dilation of the ventricles. These viruses include Coxsackie B and adenovirus, echoviruses, influenza H1N1, Epstein-Barr virus, rubella (German measles virus), varicella (chickenpox virus), mumps, measles, parvoviruses, yellow fever, dengue fever, polio, rabies and the viruses that cause hepatitis A and C as well as COVID-19 where it has been seen to cause this in persons otherwise thought to be "low risk" of the virus's effects.

Speak to facts not opinion

PaceAdvantage
12-07-2020, 12:45 PM
There has been a constant refrain, a overriding theme by PA skeptics that
there is no virusYou're such a ****ing delusional liar.

Maybe it is time to ban all the left-wing ****ing liars on here.

PaceAdvantage
12-07-2020, 12:46 PM
Some viral cardiomyopathies are:

Viral cardiomyopathy occurs when viral infections cause myocarditis with a resulting thickening of the myocardium and dilation of the ventricles. These viruses include Coxsackie B and adenovirus, echoviruses, influenza H1N1, Epstein-Barr virus, rubella (German measles virus), varicella (chickenpox virus), mumps, measles, parvoviruses, yellow fever, dengue fever, polio, rabies and the viruses that cause hepatitis A and C as well as COVID-19 where it has been seen to cause this in persons otherwise thought to be "low risk" of the virus's effects.

Speak to facts not opinionWere you such a failure as a doctor in real life, you have to pretend to be one here on PA off-topic?

Marshall Bennett
12-07-2020, 02:37 PM
There has been a constant refrain, a overriding theme by PA skeptics that
there is no virus, or more commonly it's effects are grossly exaggerated,
people are dying way less, hospitals are not hospitalizing real covid cases and charging and lying about it, and covid testing is totally blown out of proportion 100's of times, all perpetrated by covert cabal of globalists who have enlisted all mainstream health professionals to deceive the entire world.

Especially deceiving PA off topic.

You deniers employ various strategies from cherry picking opinions and speculations contrary to accepted science, and expand those hypothesis
into proven well supported fact. Advancements in science include new theories and speculation, but moving on from "it could be", to "most likely it is" does not happen by amateurs insisting it has.

The theme that "Cure: much worse than da disease" presented here is another objection to public health measures. I get the objection especially as far as restaurants (sorry Ralph) go, but in this case guys, not the science.

I posted earlier a recent analysis of covid data

"OVID-19 was ranked as the leading cause of death in the U.S. this week, with 11,820, according to the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. That's more than the number of Americans who died from ischemic heart disease (10,724), tracheal, bronchus and lung cancer (3,965), and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (3,766)."


Kinda difficult to reason the cure (lock downs) being worse than the once in a century 1918 Spanish Flu level of this disease. Particulary when you folks take a knee jerking belief that lock downs are either full scale or nothing at all.You're full of shit as usual. Its my belief your filthy rotten party has dirty hands from assisting China in developing the virus in the first place, as well as distributing it. Funny how conveniently everything fell into place this past year. Funny how after 3 years of viscous attempts to remove Trump, it suddenly ends with a year still remaining in his term. Then out pops covid-19. So what if it kills a quarter million people, getting rid of Trump in priority #1.
Finding the truth becomes a lot simpler when the suspects are rats with a stone-cold reputation.

PaceAdvantage
12-07-2020, 02:38 PM
You're full of shit as usual. Its my belief your filthy rotten party has dirty hands from assisting China in developing the virus in the first place, as well as distributing it. Funny how conveniently everything fell into place this past year. Funny how after 3 years of viscous attempts to remove Trump, it suddenly ends with a year still remaining in his term. Then out pops covid-19. So what if it kills a quarter million people, getting rid of Trump in priority #1.
Finding the truth becomes a lot simpler when the suspects are rats with a stone-cold reputation.It's sad that it's not too difficult to believe the above.

But then again, much, much worse has gone on in this world...so why would this be so far off the reservation?

Hint...it's not.

46zilzal
12-07-2020, 02:50 PM
Were you such a failure as a doctor in real life, you have to pretend to be one here on PA off-topic?

facts really seem to bother you don't they?

davew
12-07-2020, 03:18 PM
facts really seem to bother you don't they?

We are with Joe and choose truth over facts ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15RjcRJ3Z70

hcap
12-07-2020, 04:03 PM
You're such a ****ing delusional liar.

Maybe it is time to ban all the left-wing ****ing liars on here.
You don't recognize the Frankenstein monster you, Dr. Frankenstein have created:lol::lol:.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/l41YxlUqVzatpICbK/giphy.gif

Tom
12-07-2020, 04:37 PM
Between covid and abortion, I am hopeful we can soon be rid of democrats for good.

THAT is the cure we need.

PaceAdvantage
12-07-2020, 07:12 PM
facts really seem to bother you don't they?No, pompous poseurs do...

PaceAdvantage
12-07-2020, 07:13 PM
Between covid and abortion, I am hopeful we can soon be rid of democrats for good.

THAT is the cure we need.I guess that could be looked at as another form of cancel culture.

46zilzal
12-08-2020, 10:01 AM
Didn't even get to the most common infectious disease outcome that creates heart disease: bacterial endocarditis

JustRalph
12-08-2020, 03:06 PM
You're full of shit as usual. Its my belief your filthy rotten party has dirty hands from assisting China in developing the virus in the first place, as well as distributing it. Funny how conveniently everything fell into place this past year. Funny how after 3 years of viscous attempts to remove Trump, it suddenly ends with a year still remaining in his term. Then out pops covid-19. So what if it kills a quarter million people, getting rid of Trump in priority #1.
Finding the truth becomes a lot simpler when the suspects are rats with a stone-cold reputation.

My customers of age believe this 100%.

I started hearing it in March. Again several times since then.

China is just waiting for the fighting resistance to age out.