hydroxychloroquine fans

[lamboguy]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/02/trump-health-official-hydroxychloroquine-390601


where did this guy come from?

[MONEY]

There's only 160,000 dead Americans, so we should continue with the same failing strategies until they work.

BTW
Did we really need another anti-hydroxychloroquine thread.

[boxcar]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/02/trump-health-official-hydroxychloroquine-390601


where did this guy come from?

This "health official", is he even a doctor? Or is he the U.S. version of the director of WHO? :coffee:

[Saratoga_Mike]

This "health official",1) is he even a doctor? Or is he the U.S. version of the 2) director of WHO? :coffee:

"ADM Giroir has authored or co-authored more than 100 scientific publications, editorials and book chapters. He is the recipient of numerous honors and awards, including the U.S. Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service, the American Heart Association’s President Lyndon Baines Johnson Research Award, and the American Society of Nephrology’s President’s Medal. ADM Giroir was the nation’s high school debate champion in 1978. He received a bachelor’s degree in biology, magna cum laude, from Harvard University, and a medical degree from the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center."

https://www.hhs.gov/about/leadership/brett-giroir/index.html

1) Yes, he's a doctor. Are you?

2) On January 30, 2020, WHO declared Covid a global health emergency (their highest alert level). It should have happened earlier, and they should have pressed the Chinese harder. But what did Trump say after Jan 30?

In early Feb, Trump said Xi was “strong, sharp and powerfully focused." A few weeks later, Trump said US coronavirus cases “within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” On March 27, 2020, Trumped tweeted: "Just finished a very good conversation with President Xi of China. Discussed in great detail the CoronaVirus that is ravaging large parts of our Planet. China has been through much & has developed a strong understanding of the Virus. We are working closely together. Much respect!"

You might argue Trump isn't a doctor or scientist, and WHO is full of doctors and scientists, so they should be held to a higher standard. But by making that argument, you would implicitly concede that we should show deference to doctors/scientists on Covid matters. If you believe that, then you should respect Dr Giroir's opinion.

Have a great day Box.

[boxcar]

"ADM Giroir has authored or co-authored more than 100 scientific publications, editorials and book chapters. He is the recipient of numerous honors and awards, including the U.S. Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service, the American Heart Association’s President Lyndon Baines Johnson Research Award, and the American Society of Nephrology’s President’s Medal. ADM Giroir was the nation’s high school debate champion in 1978. He received a bachelor’s degree in biology, magna cum laude, from Harvard University, and a medical degree from the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center."

https://www.hhs.gov/about/leadership/brett-giroir/index.html

1) Yes, he's a doctor. Are you?

2) On January 30, 2020, WHO declared Covid a global health emergency (their highest alert level). It should have happened earlier, and they should have pressed the Chinese harder. But what did Trump say after Jan 30?

In early Feb, Trump said Xi was “strong, sharp and powerfully focused." A few weeks later, Trump said US coronavirus cases “within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” On March 27, 2020, Trumped tweeted: "Just finished a very good conversation with President Xi of China. Discussed in great detail the CoronaVirus that is ravaging large parts of our Planet. China has been through much & has developed a strong understanding of the Virus. We are working closely together. Much respect!"

You might argue Trump isn't a doctor or scientist, and WHO is full of doctors and scientists, so they should be held to a higher standard. But by making that argument, you would implicitly concede that we should show deference to doctors/scientists on Covid matters. If you believe that, then you should respect Dr Giroir's opinion.

Have a great day Box.

Respecting a doctor's opinion is one thing; accepting it blindly is something else, since to the best of my knowledge doctors, like the rest of us, are not infallible. Most wise and prudent people understand this and on important medical issues, seek more than one opinion.

[mostpost]

Respecting a doctor's opinion is one thing; accepting it blindly is something else, since to the best of my knowledge doctors, like the rest of us, are not infallible. Most wise and prudent people understand this and on important medical issues, seek more than one opinion.

May I compliment you? Your ignorance is beyond reproach. Your refusal to accept factual information is legendary. Your failure to understand and accept the simplest concepts is breathtaking to behold.

[jimmyb]

May I compliment you? Your ignorance is beyond reproach. Your refusal to accept factual information is legendary. Your failure to understand and accept the simplest concepts is breathtaking to behold.


All hail MOSTIE, the know it all King of the ANTIFA.:p

[horses4courses]

Would you feel safe taking it?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EedzgkTXoAI3uRM?format=jpg&name=small

[boxcar]

May I compliment you? Your ignorance is beyond reproach. Your refusal to accept factual information is legendary. Your failure to understand and accept the simplest concepts is breathtaking to behold.

Actually, Mr. Choir Boy, it is prudent to never accept anything at face value. Have you never read in scripture the eminently wise principle that only on the testimony of two or more witnesses should testimony be accepted as true (Deut 17:6; 19:15)? Evidently, you are so naive, you're incapable of discerning prudence which is the folly of fools (Prov 8:5).

Also, the medical testimony about HCQ conflicts quite a bit. Didn't you get the memo?

[mostpost]

Here is why Hydroxychloroquine (Hydro) is okay for malaria but not for Covid 19.
This is according to my sisteR who is a Nurse Anesthetist.
If you are going to a country with a high incidence of Malaria, your doctor will give you 400 Mg of. Hydro two weeks before the date you are supposed to arrive in that country. Then, when you arrive in country, you take another 400 Mg and continue at weekly intervals until you return to the US and for three weeks afterward; always on the same day of the week.

To treat Covid 19, they administer 800 Mg.three times a week MWF until symptoms are gone. In other words in one week of Covid 19 treatment you receive as much Hydro as you do in seven weeks of Malaria treatment and the treatment continues for several weeks.

We are all aware that medications which are safe taken as directed can be fatal if abused.. also, it’s not freaking effective.

[Ocala Mike]

it is prudent to never accept anything at face value



I agree, but it is apparent that scripture is grandfathered in as an exception in your non-science world.

[PaceAdvantage]

Would you feel safe taking it?There were no alarms being raised by the scientific or medical community, prior to COVID-19(84), warning about the dangers of this medication.

This medication has been WIDELY prescribed for DECADES for everything from malaria prevention, to rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus....it is sold without a prescription in many areas of the world...

Tell me again how dangerous it is...

[PaceAdvantage]

Here is why Hydroxychloroquine (Hydro) is okay for malaria but not for Covid 19.
This is according to my sisteR who is a Nurse Anesthetist.
If you are going to a country with a high incidence of Malaria, your doctor will give you 400 Mg of. Hydro two weeks before the date you are supposed to arrive in that country. Then, when you arrive in country, you take another 400 Mg and continue at weekly intervals until you return to the US and for three weeks afterward; always on the same day of the week.

To treat Covid 19, they administer 800 Mg.three times a week MWF until symptoms are gone. In other words in one week of Covid 19 treatment you receive as much Hydro as you do in seven weeks of Malaria treatment and the treatment continues for several weeks.

We are all aware that medications which are safe taken as directed can be fatal if abused.. also, it’s not freaking effective.Anecdotal information! Not to be believed.

Just like the anecdotal info I have posted on this board from medical professionals...

[MargieRose]

Here is why Hydroxychloroquine (Hydro) is okay for malaria but not for Covid 19.
This is according to my sisteR who is a Nurse Anesthetist.
If you are going to a country with a high incidence of Malaria, your doctor will give you 400 Mg of. Hydro two weeks before the date you are supposed to arrive in that country. Then, when you arrive in country, you take another 400 Mg and continue at weekly intervals until you return to the US and for three weeks afterward; always on the same day of the week.

To treat Covid 19, they administer 800 Mg.three times a week MWF until symptoms are gone. In other words in one week of Covid 19 treatment you receive as much Hydro as you do in seven weeks of Malaria treatment and the treatment continues for several weeks.

We are all aware that medications which are safe taken as directed can be fatal if abused.. also, it’s not freaking effective.Your nurse sister is saying that hyroxy is given "until symptoms are gone" (pretty amazing), but you're saying that "it's not freaking effective"? So, who's right, you or your sister? http://www.myemoticons.com/images/emotions/thinking/hmm.gif

Careful there, you're beginning to talk like Biden. :eek:

[boxcar]

I agree, but it is apparent that scripture is grandfathered in as an exception in your non-science world.

Universal principles of truth always apply.

[delayjf]

Lots of Dr. are using this drug and swearing by it. The claims that hydroy is dangerous are unfounded given that it has been prescribed for years with minimum consequences for decades.

The recent study that determined hydroxy was ineffective / dangerous has since been withdrawn by its publishers.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605/lancet-retracts-hydroxychloroquine-study

[mostpost]

Your nurse sister is saying that hyroxy is given "until symptoms are gone" (pretty amazing), but you're saying that "it's not freaking effective"? So, who's right, you or your sister? http://www.myemoticons.com/images/emotions/thinking/hmm.gif

Careful there, you're beginning to talk like Biden. :eek:

Idiot. It’s not effective because people have serious side effects such as death before they are cured. Death is not a cure.

[RichieP]

To treat Covid 19, they administer 800 Mg.three times a week MWF until symptoms are gone. In other words in one week of Covid 19 treatment you receive as much Hydro as you do in seven weeks of Malaria treatment and the treatment continues for several weeks.

We are all aware that medications which are safe taken as directed can be fatal if abused.. also, it’s not freaking effective.

The prescribed dosage for prevention and help with the early symptoms (along with zinc and "Zyth") is 200mg 2x a week a HUGE difference from your post. This coming from a doctor with great success also and NOT the one most are focused on.

[hcap]

Respecting a doctor's opinion is one thing; accepting it blindly is something else, since to the best of my knowledge doctors, like the rest of us, are not infallible. Most wise and prudent people understand this and on important medical issues, seek more than one opinion.
Gee, and I thought you were infallible.

PS: Do you know the difference between expertise and full blown crackpottery? Lately you are having major difficulties keeping your pots from cracking:rolleyes:

[mostpost]

Lots of Dr. are using this drug and swearing by it. The claims that hydroy is dangerous are unfounded given that it has been prescribed for years with minimum consequences for decades.

The recent study that determined hydroxy was ineffective / dangerous has since been withdrawn by its publishers.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605/lancet-retracts-hydroxychloroquine-study
Seriously, try to pay attention. Hydro is now being used in doses six or more times what it was being used for previously.

As far as the study itself, it hasn’t been withdrawn by its creators. The Lancet journal has decided not to publish it because they could not peer review it. The reason they couldn’t do so is they couldn’t get access to proprietary information. There is as yet no proof the study is flawed or inaccurate.

[boxcar]

Gee, and I thought you were infallible.

Next to you I am.

PS: Do you know the difference between expertise and full blown crackpottery? Lately you are having major difficulties keeping your pots from cracking:rolleyes:

Do you know the difference between truth and con jobs? As demonstrated recently, public health figures have a huge credibility problem.

[JustRalph]

The prescribed dosage for prevention and help with the early symptoms (along with zinc and "Zyth") is 200mg 2x a week a HUGE difference from your post. This coming from a doctor with great success also and NOT the one most are focused on.

I’ve read this several places

[lamboguy]

if this thing does not get in your lungs, you don't need to take anything. if it does get in your lungs and nothing works, you might as well go with the hydy, you got nothing to lose.

[baconswitchfarm]

Seriously, try to pay attention. Hydro is now being used in doses six or more times what it was being used for previously.

As far as the study itself, it hasn’t been withdrawn by its creators. The Lancet journal has decided not to publish it because they could not peer review it. The reason they couldn’t do so is they couldn’t get access to proprietary information. There is as yet no proof the study is flawed or inaccurate.

No the Lancet did not say they couldn't get access to proprietary info. the quacks wouldn't provide The study materials at all. The phoney study people spun that lie to prevent people tearing their fake study apart. Proprietary info in the study of a 50 year old approved drug. ��
If you are as dumb as you pretend to be I'm betting nobody on your route ever got the right mail . :lol:

[delayjf]

Seriously, try to pay attention. Hydro is now being used in doses six or more times what it was being used for previously.

Indeed, the dosages used in the study are higher than the dosages used by Doctors who are treating their patience. Do you think they would stay with the treatment if 27% of their patience died as the study claims?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/04/06/here-are-five-doctors-whose-patients-have-seen-recovery-with-hydroxy-chloroquine-n2566409

[boxcar]

Indeed, the dosages used in the study are higher than the dosages used by Doctors who are treating their patience. Do you think they would stay with the treatment if 27% of their patience died as the study claims?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/04/06/here-are-five-doctors-whose-patients-have-seen-recovery-with-hydroxy-chloroquine-n2566409

Don't you know...all those doctors are"quacks"? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[PaceAdvantage]

Idiot.That was uncalled for...you senior piece of trash.