Churchill and TVG are fighting

[dilanesp]

https://mobile.twitter.com/DRFMcGee/status/1261327882527391744

[rispa]

Money changes everything.

[cj]

Churchill is always fighting with someone.

[PhantomOnTour]

I just wish I could be at Pimlico today with my extended family and friends playing the horses on Black Eyed Susan Day....it's always my favorite day of the year :(

[Redboard]

Not a problem, for me anyway. FS2 will televise from 1pm-2:30pm. FS1 from 2:30pm-6pm. The only race not being shown tomorrow is the last race which is scheduled at 6:16pm.

Not sure about Sunday or the other days.

[GMB@BP]

Yea, shocking, the track that doesnt sell the DRF is causing problems with their signal...who would have thunk it.

[Tom]

I just wish I could be at Pimlico today with my extended family and friends playing the horses on Black Eyed Susan Day....it's always my favorite day of the year :(

You can go in October on Pumpkin Blossom Day!:ThmbUp:

[JustRalph]

Churchill is always fighting with someone.

This thread could have been started every year for the last 20 years

[Tom]

Unbelievable the morons who run CD.
I'd play Fonner Park if they ran head to head.

Any damn day.

[ReplayRandall]

The largest horse racing tourney site, Horsetourneys.com, told CDI to shove it over 3 years ago....No one misses CD, what a bunch of A-holes.

[therussmeister]

Not a problem, for me anyway. FS2 will televise from 1pm-2:30pm. FS1 from 2:30pm-6pm. The only race not being shown tomorrow is the last race which is scheduled at 6:16pm.

Not sure about Sunday or the other days.
It looks like back to FS2 for the last race.

https://www.nyra.com/belmont/racing/tv-schedule

[the little guy]

Not a problem, for me anyway. FS2 will televise from 1pm-2:30pm. FS1 from 2:30pm-6pm. The only race not being shown tomorrow is the last race which is scheduled at 6:16pm.

Not sure about Sunday or the other days.

We are on until 6:30 all weekend. All races will be shown.

[NTamm1215]

The largest horse racing tourney site, Horsetourneys.com, told CDI to shove it over 3 years ago....No one misses CD, what a bunch of A-holes.

LOL. You have that backwards. HorseTourneys is not in position to deny content from anyone.

[ReplayRandall]

LOL. You have that backwards. HorseTourneys is not in position to deny content from anyone.You're cracking wise while CDI tried to hamstring horsetourneys after suddenly wanting a huge increase in a "FEE", 3 years ago....You know little of what's going on with this situation and the settlements that were made with other tracks....Derby Wars got walloped and has never recovered their loss of customers.

Horsetourneys is NOT an ADW, they just run tourneys ONLY off of publicly published race results.

[Redboard]

I've been boycotting Churchill for over ten years now, not even betting the derby day card. But with the garbage tracks that the industry's been rolling out the past month, Remington, Fonner (sorry Tom, but I've never seem Monomoy Girl run there), this weekend's CD card looks like Breeders Cup weekend(only compared to those tracks, I'm not saying the weekend card is great). I can't hold out any longer.

Who cares if TVG isn't televising it. You don't see the same NFL game on two channels, do you?

[cj]

I've been boycotting Churchill for over ten years now, not even betting the derby day card. But with the garbage tracks that the industry's been rolling out the past month, Remington, Fonner (sorry Tom, but I've never seem Monomoy Girl run there), this weekend's CD card looks like Breeders Cup weekend(only compared to those tracks, I'm not saying the weekend card is great). I can't hold out any longer.

Who cares if TVG isn't televising it. You don't see the same NFL game on two channels, do you?

Hey, watch it now. Remington is a pretty nice track! I'm going to guess you meant Will Rogers. Remington is running quarters right now.

[Tom]

I like Remington Park.

Mon Gal might be racing tomorrow, but seriously, I could not care less. What will she be, 1-9?

Give me a time restricted nickel claimer any day, over most all Grade 1 stakes. I like trainers and riders who NEED to win a purse to eat - gets them out of the gate a lot better and sustains the stretch drive. :headbanger:

[TMQ]

I've been boycotting Churchill for over ten years now, not even betting the derby day card. But with the garbage tracks that the industry's been rolling out the past month, Remington, Fonner (sorry Tom, but I've never seem Monomoy Girl run there), this weekend's CD card looks like Breeders Cup weekend(only compared to those tracks, I'm not saying the weekend card is great). I can't hold out any longer.

Who cares if TVG isn't televising it. You don't see the same NFL game on two channels, do you?

Actually yes there are numerous NFL games on 2 channels at once.......

[cj]

Actually yes there are numerous NFL games on 2 channels at once.......

He said the same game. Occasionally you'll get it on network tv and the NFL Network on a Thursday night, but the vast majority of NFL games are on only one channel.

[Bennie]

Unless you live in the NY metro area. You can usually find the Jets and Giants on 2 and 5 and also on their own network station. Not a fan of either.

[metro]

Churchill is basically doing to TVG what TVG does to tracks like Fonner and Will Rogers Downs. Just comes down to who holds the cards.

[ultracapper]

:popcorn:I like Remington Park.

Mon Gal might be racing tomorrow, but seriously, I could not care less. What will she be, 1-9?

Give me a time restricted nickel claimer any day, over most all Grade 1 stakes. I like trainers and riders who NEED to win a purse to eat - gets them out of the gate a lot better and sustains the stretch drive. :headbanger:

I've been living that for 15 years now. Give me competitive fields of N2Ls all day long and I'm the happiest punter you'll find.

[Redboard]

:popcorn:

I've been living that for 15 years now. Give me competitive fields of N2Ls all day long and I'm the happiest punter you'll find.

I need shippers or it gets really boring.

[Redboard]

TLG is alive in the late pick 4 with one race to go, the 11th race. With four selections: 3,5,6 & 15

[cj]

I've got no love lost for Churchill, but it isn't just them. Sport has practically the whole day in the spotlight, but we have to switch channels to watch different tracks constantly. Fox Sports has Churchill and TVG doesn't, but on the other hand TVG has Gulfstream and Santa Anita while Fox Sports does not.

Sport is so frustrating sometimes...

[Zydeco]

I've got no love lost for Churchill, but it isn't just them. Sport has practically the whole day in the spotlight, but we have to switch channels to watch different tracks constantly. Fox Sports has Churchill and TVG doesn't, but on the other hand TVG has Gulfstream and Santa Anita while Fox Sports does not.

Sport is so frustrating sometimes...

Totally agree CJ. Watched FS1 for a while then realised they didn't have Gulfstream. Back to TvG. It's ridiculous.

[metro]

TLG is alive in the late pick 4 with one race to go, the 11th race. With four selections: 3,5,6 & 15

Brutal beat, winner pounded late, 22-1 at the gate, 12-1 at the wire. Lezcano's only mount for the weekend in Louisville. Somebody made their year on that one.

[Tom]

TRN.....screw 'em all! :headbanger:

[Immortal6]

My dad called and asked if I wanted to bet the late pick 4 today...told him I couldn’t, the product there today was just terrible imo. For all the flak Cali racing gets the fields have been full, competitive, and formful there to start the meet.

[classhandicapper]

I've got no love lost for Churchill, but it isn't just them. Sport has practically the whole day in the spotlight, but we have to switch channels to watch different tracks constantly. Fox Sports has Churchill and TVG doesn't, but on the other hand TVG has Gulfstream and Santa Anita while Fox Sports does not.

Sport is so frustrating sometimes...

It's not an ideal situation, but I think most serious players have more than one ADW account. It's not difficult to get the live video feed from all the tracks you are playing if you have multiple accounts. It used to bother me that I needed multiple accounts, but we've seen some big races day where one or another stopped functioning properly. So it seems like you need multiple accounts as a backup regardless of the live track feeds.

I guess it's more of a problem for less serious fans that we are trying to attract on TV.

[SandyW]

I saw the President T.Kevin Flanery from Churchill Downs yesterday on Fox Sports saying how much Churchill supports horse racing, what a bunch of bull crap.
What Churchill has done to Illinois racing and Arlington racing is beyond belief.

[BIG49010]

With a handle somewhere around $11+ million and giving out $630,000 yesterday what is the guess on how much Churchill made? Break even after everything is paid, anyone venture a guess?

[cj]

With a handle somewhere around $11+ million and giving out $630,000 yesterday what is the guess on how much Churchill made? Break even after everything is paid, anyone venture a guess?

Since they also own TwinSpires, I'd guess they made a solid profit.

[the little guy]

With a handle somewhere around $11+ million and giving out $630,000 yesterday what is the guess on how much Churchill made? Break even after everything is paid, anyone venture a guess?

Handle was over $14 million.

Accuracy is sure at a premium around here.

[BIG49010]

Handle was over $14 million.

Accuracy is sure at a premium around here.


Sorry didn't sit down and add it up, that's why 11+, figured close enough for discussion

[iwearpurple]

He was accurate.

It was over 11,000,000

[Suff]

I can only use broad strokes and the one I'm using is Alex Waldrop leaving the NHC early because he had horse racing business to attend to.

I liken what he did to Roger Goodell leaving the superbowl at half-time to attend to NFL business.

Maybe a sick kid in the hospital, etc.. who knows?. But other than something like that? What other horse racing business could be more important than being there at the Trophy Presentation for the players that pay the bills.

[Redboard]

Santa Anita is claiming $14.3M for yesterday.

[dilanesp]

Santa Anita is claiming $14.3M for yesterday.

There was huge pent up demand to bet Santa Anita out here. NYRA is going to see something similar when they reopen in June.

[Mason]

Santa Anita is claiming $14.3M for yesterday.

Here are the handle figures for May 16

Churchill:
Handle - $14,288,161
Purses - $466,300
Horses ran - 117

Santa Anita:
Handle - $14,219,186
Purses - $627,000
Horses ran - 95

Gulfstream: Off the Turf
Handle - $11,804,266
Purses - $460,000
Horses ran - 75

Tampa Bay:
Handle - $7,239,790
Purses - $125,800
Horses ran - 78

Golden Gate:
Handle - $6,563,937
Purses - $216,000
Horses ran - 88

Charles Town:
Handle - $3,847,767
Purses - $157,500
Horses ran - 73

[1GCFAN]

Pretty impressive numbers. The ADWs' are cleaning up. All this with Nevada dark.

[lamboguy]

With a handle somewhere around $11+ million and giving out $630,000 yesterday what is the guess on how much Churchill made? Break even after everything is paid, anyone venture a guess?
not that much if anything at all.---------------

[lamboguy]

Since they also own TwinSpires, I'd guess they made a solid profit.
he asked about Churchill Downs. Twinspires is just a bet taker, a bet taker these days does better than the host track.

[biggestal99]

Had to switch between TVG and TVG2 to get all the races.

Not so bad.

Allan

[classhandicapper]

Here are the handle figures for May 16

Churchill:
Handle - $14,288,161
Purses - $466,300
Horses ran - 117

Santa Anita:
Handle - $14,219,186
Purses - $627,000
Horses ran - 95

Gulfstream: Off the Turf
Handle - $11,804,266
Purses - $460,000
Horses ran - 75

Tampa Bay:
Handle - $7,239,790
Purses - $125,800
Horses ran - 78

Golden Gate:
Handle - $6,563,937
Purses - $216,000
Horses ran - 88

Charles Town:
Handle - $3,847,767
Purses - $157,500
Horses ran - 73


That's with 10s of millions of people out of work and some off track betting and simulcast centers closed. One gets the feeling that if the industry was ever organized properly the remaining tracks would make a fortune, the horse shortage would go away, they could raise the purses, lower the take, invest in plant, advertise etc.. Not that I haven't been saying that at least once a week for the last decade. :lol:

[castaway01]

That's with 10s of millions of people out of work and some off track betting and simulcast centers closed. One gets the feeling that if the industry was ever organized properly, the remaining tracks would make a fortune, the horse shortage would go away, they could raise the purse, lower the take, invest in plant, advertise etc.. Not that I haven't been saying that at least once a week for the last decade. :lol:

You and everyone else. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you magically closed 50% of the tracks that revenue and field size would go up at the others---temporarily. It's also the only gambling option in town. Reopen the casinos and have the NBA playoffs and the MLB season going and check those handle numbers again.

[classhandicapper]

You and everyone else. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you magically closed 50% of the tracks that revenue and field size would go up at the others---temporarily. It's also the only gambling option in town. Reopen the casinos and have the NBA playoffs and the MLB season going and check those handle numbers again.

The industry has been committing suicide for decades starting with ADWs, on to casinos etc... If the people running things were so smart, we wouldn't keep doing dumb and shortsighted things.

When the industry started taking casino money all the leaders and biggest names in the sport loved the idea. I was screaming that it was a bad idea long term even if created a windfall in the short term.

It never made sense for governments to allow casino profits to subsidize money losing tracks. That kept zombie tracks open and hurt the rest. Closing them would have been better for the rest of industry and better for the government and taxpayers in those states. They could have used that money and those land resources etc.. and put them to better economic use. Even people as dumb as politicians will eventually figure out when on a net basis the subsidies are costing them money. Most of the zombies should be closed.

Granted, the tracks have less competition now. That's one of many moving parts in the handle right now whose impact can't be isolated, but there's no doubt all the zombies should be closed and the rest would benefit.

[cj]

Did racing really get a bunch of new customers betting, or is it mostly current ones with little else to do? I'd lean mostly to the latter.

[cj]

...zombie tracks...

I love that, going to use it in the future.

[classhandicapper]

I love that, going to use it in the future.

I stole that from the telecom industry back in the 2000 bust on Wall St.

A lot of new telecom companies started up during that late 90s period. They weren't profitable, but the money kept rolling in from investors hoping to eventually make a score. When the bubble burst most them went into reorganization and handed the assets over to the bondholders. They continued operating, just without all the debt they accumulated. They were bad businesses, but because they had no debt they were able to cut prices and compete with the remaining good companies. The term "zombie" telecoms was born. The companies that should have been dead were eating market share from the good ones.

[VeryOldMan]

Did racing really get a bunch of new customers betting, or is it mostly current ones with little else to do? I'd lean mostly to the latter.

I'd likewise lean towards the latter. I'm one of them. Lapsed and/or casual fans who have returned to watch and wager on horse racing with so few sports alternatives on TV. I've handicapped more races and placed more wagers in the past 2 weeks than I probably did in all of 2019!

[ubercapper]

You're cracking wise while CDI tried to hamstring horsetourneys after suddenly wanting a huge increase in a "FEE", 3 years ago....You know little of what's going on with this situation and the settlements that were made with other tracks....Derby Wars got walloped and has never recovered their loss of customers.

Horsetourneys is NOT an ADW, they just run tourneys ONLY off of publicly published race results.


Daily fantasy racing companies are considered closer to ADWs than you think as they need to have agreements with each track or content management company to use those races. This was made clear by the ruling a few years back. They also have agreements for electronic entry and results data.

[Tom]

Did racing really get a bunch of new customers betting, or is it mostly current ones with little else to do? I'd lean mostly to the latter.

That and $1200 in their pockets.....:p

[Henry Gondorff]

Not mentioned here yet but CD has a nice App for Apple TV that shows all the races from CD,Arlington, and FG. And it’s all HD and free! No betting account is even necessary.

[Redboard]

I like Remington Park.

Mon Gal might be racing tomorrow, but seriously, I could not care less. What will she be, 1-9?

Give me a time restricted nickel claimer any day, over most all Grade 1 stakes. I like trainers and riders who NEED to win a purse to eat - gets them out of the gate a lot better and sustains the stretch drive. :headbanger:

Then I'm surprised you don't like the Churchill card.

Today , races 2 through 6 were claiming races with only one betting favorite winning. Full fields , plenty of shippers, climbers, droppers, shortening-upers, stretching-outers.

Race five was an $8k claimer, field of ten, with an exacta payout of 270-1.

[Tom]

I am preparing to start playing CD, for pretty much the first time ever, seriously.
Tomorrow will be day 1.

[classhandicapper]

I am preparing to start playing CD, for pretty much the first time ever, seriously.
Tomorrow will be day 1.

It's a very good card.

[burnsy]

I’m gonna play Churchill today. I’ve been skipping the place for years other than derby weekend. But it’s the best game in town on Memorial Day Weekend. With little going on, I almost have no choice but the card quality looks good too.

I marvel at how this sport can screw up anything and everything. At a time when horse racing and tracks have an advantage because it’s one of the few sports going and one of the few gambling opportunities around . They continue to bicker rather than maximize the gold. Sometimes I look at this country and think..... you couldn’t make this shit up. Then again, you don’t have to cause it happens for real.

[Suff]

I’m gonna play Churchill today..

The Jockey colony is as good as it gets. Still, Gulfstream has a handful of maiden races with big fields. The Turf course has been lightly used the last week.

[NY BRED]

Need I remind all of you abut the Ky Derby Dq of Maximum Security,
ie, the blinking on what normally would be a reason to DQ a horse
versus the famous injustice several years ago..

I have yet to bet $1 on CD since that date and closed my Twinspires
membership as well; actually enjoy the racing @GP over KY. regardless
of the "blueblood" BS

[Tom]

As it turns out, that may not be the only race the one gets taken down from.....
maybe they just couldn't stand the stain his trainer would have let on the Derby.