"Handicapper"

[mountainman]

The term somehow doesn't fit anybody anymore. Aside from its complete inapplicability to the process of sizing up a horserace, the label stands as a prominent example of the non-descriptive antiquity characterizing so many racing terms.

Perhaps the word is too general in tracing back to an era when astute horseplayers attempted some mild, perfectly proportioned blend of selection factors, and sought to find "correct answers," as opposed to considering and weighing for value any number of scenarios and potential results.

Or maybe the term "handicapper" is BOTH too general AND too limiting in summing up the multitude of unique approaches and specialized insights arrived at and utilized by sharp players nowadays.

Or perhaps it just sounds arrogant when applied to oneself. And I admit those who do so conjure images for me of some pompous dictator (of a country the size of Toledo) pinning gaudy, ridiculous medals and applying ridiculous titles to himself (picture Larry Storch from F Troop in this guise).

In fact, it's a kind of "tell" with me. That is, if you call yourself, or anyone else, for that matter, a "handicapper," you are probably a poser.

[Clocker]

Definition of handicapper

1 : a person who assigns handicaps (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/handicaps)

2 : a person who predicts the winners in a contest (such as a horse race)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/handicapper

[mountainman]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/handicapper

I would bet money the definition was adjusted to fit the term's usage. Not visa-versa. And would further wager that its origins in racing trace back to practices or thought processes inapplicable to modern racing.

tx for the response. I expected sharply dissenting views.

And fwiw, most guys I 've known who refer to themselves as "handicappers" are complete posers. But of course there are plenty of exceptions, lots of them right here on the forum. To me, the word smacks, at least slightly, of a certain amateurism.

Officialdom serves as a great example of the word's deceptive, outdated nature. The "track handicapper," for instance, is not a talking head who goes on air, or even the track oddsmaker. It's the person who weights handicap races. And I do speak from experience, here, having filled all three of those roles for a minimum of two-decades apiece.

[mountainman]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/handicapper

I could, of course, be completely off base with my opinion on this matter.

It's getting late, and I'm heading to my room to watch an episode, or two, of Vikings. Enjoy the rest of your night, sir,

[thaskalos]

I too loath the word "handicapper"...and have spent many years in search of a better word to use when describing what I consider to be the main element of what I do in life. And I have done no better than the word "horseplayer"...in spite of the grief levied upon me by our former poster "Traynor"...who took exception to the "frivolity" implied by the term. :)

[classhandicapper]

I think of handicappers as people that makes an odd lines for every horse in every race either for a track, book making purposes, or for gambling purposes.

I think the term has spread to mean people that make public selections.

I think of myself as a "gambler" that puts a lot of work into finding horses that are either better or worse than the prevailing public opinion (including people that make influential public selections) and that will go off at odds that are out of line with the horse's true chances of winning (but without making an odds line for every horse).

I'm basically building a "horses and races to watch list" for possible "bets", "bets against" and "scenarios" where I think the public tends to screw up and then just evaluating whether the horses I'm interested in are spotted appropriately to take advantage of that when they come back. I don't consider that handicapping in the purest sense of the word, but others might.

I used to do the same thing when I used to bet basketball more frequently.

I might know that team "x" has consistently played poorly when their starting PG is out, but since he's not a big name player or scorer, the line doesn't move as much as it should. That's more of an insight than handicapping the game.

[thaskalos]

In my way of thinking...there is a distinct separation between a "handicapper", and a "bettor". I picture the "handicapper" as strictly a researcher...perhaps in partnership with someone else who does the actual betting. Put the two elements together...and you get a HORSEPLAYER, in my opinion.

[mountainman]

In my way of thinking...there is a distinct separation between a "handicapper", and a "bettor". I picture the "handicapper" as strictly a researcher...perhaps in partnership with someone else who does the actual betting. Put the two elements together...and you get a HORSEPLAYER, in my opinion.

The guys I hang out with at simulcast would no more refer to you as a "handicapper" than mob guys would refer to their own brethren as "part of the mafia." They would simply term you a "very sharp guy and serious player."

[Robert Fischer]

The term somehow doesn't fit anybody anymore. Aside from its complete inapplicability to the process of sizing up a horserace, the label stands as a prominent example of the non-descriptive antiquity characterizing so many racing terms.
...

In fact, it's a kind of "tell" with me. That is, if you call yourself, or anyone else, for that matter, a "handicapper," you are probably a poser.


I know as little about how 'weight' actually affects performance, as most 'handicappers'.

[judehaz]

I agree with comments above that horseplayer is a more accurate word - one who plays the horses. I think folks like Mark should be considered professional commentators. On the other end of the spectrum, I also love the cheeky British term "punter" as a catch-all for one who gambles.

[Milkshaker]

In fact, it's a kind of "tell" with me. That is, if you call yourself, or anyone else, for that matter, a "handicapper," you are probably a poser.

The only self title that is more pompous in our game is is "professional handicapper."

[Tom]

In fact, it's a kind of "tell" with me. That is, if you call yourself, or anyone else, for that matter, a "handicapper," you are probably a poser.


Two names apply - winner and loser.

[mountainman]

I think folks like Mark should be considered professional commentators.

I've never known exactly WHAT to term what I do. I usually go with "analyst," but avoid any label at all when possible. The show follows suit in that , although we sometimes give it the generic title "simulcast show," it actually HAS no name. And I like it that way. I am what I am and do what I do.

[Tom]

I've never known exactly WHAT to term what I do. I usually go with "analyst," but avoid any label at all when possible. The show follows suit in that , although we sometimes give it the generic title "simulcast show," it actually HAS no name. And I like it that way. I am what I am and do what I do.

Oh, then call it Seinfeld! :ThmbUp:

[Robert Fischer]

In my way of thinking...there is a distinct separation between a "handicapper", and a "bettor". I picture the "handicapper" as strictly a researcher...perhaps in partnership with someone else who does the actual betting. Put the two elements together...and you get a HORSEPLAYER, in my opinion.

'Horseplayer' seems fine to me. :ThmbUp:


And, even with good points made about 'handicapper' being a bit out-dated and less universally embraced, I still don't exactly sneer or cringe at the use of 'handicapper'.

Handicapper has a legit history of usage and a broad audience.

'Horse Bettor' is a logical fit, and it is similar to 'Sports Bettor'. I like 'Horseplayer' a bit better, just the same...

Horseplayers/handicappers/horse-bettors seem to be interchangeable, and in a more general description, fall into the spectrum somewhere between;

(Gambler)<------------------------------->(Investor)

[jay68802]

Investor in a equine market?

[Robert Fischer]

Investor in a equine market?

yea, but probably need the word 'betting' before 'market', to clarify.

[Tom]

Investor in a equine market?

Horse meat futures? :eek:

[AndyC]

Investor in a equine market?

Parimutuel investor in equine futures markets.

[jay68802]

Parimutuel investor in equine futures markets.

I like this one.

[Robert Fischer]

Parimutuel investor in equine futures markets.

OMG, TALK ABOUT EGO! :coffee:

https://i.imgur.com/VG0nEO4.jpg

[Tom]

I still like Robert Goren's Racing Form Detective.
That and his avatar were cool!

[bugboy]

statistics analyst

[ultracapper]

Everybody I know knows I bet horse races. It's usually the first thing they ask me when I see them after being apart for a spell. "How you been doing at the track?"

But times have changed. I haven't been to the "track" more than a handful of times in the past decade. I "handicap" (assess a handful of races) everyday, but only bet when I like a horse.

I have no idea what term they use for me. I guess I kind of view myself as an opportunist. They probably view me as a gambler, though they all know that 99.9% of my action is on horses. Aside from a handful of games that I think got mis-seeded the first Thursday and Friday of the NCAA tournament, every bet I make annually is on a horse race. I haven't touched the NFL in years.

[ultracapper]

Short-term, high risk, result dependent investor.

[Blenheim]

Here area a couple of terms from the Racing Maxims and Methods of Pittsburg Phil - by Edward Cole (1908)

Turf Speculator

Race Player <----- :cool:

For those interested, you may find it interesting, here is the link (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/handicaprice/) to the etymology of the word:

Over time, the name of this game became shortened from hand-in-cap to hand i’cap, then handicap. In time handicap came to grow beyond just being the name of a barter game; the word came to refer to any specific action that worked to make a contest more equitable.

[thaskalos]

Everybody I know knows I bet horse races. It's usually the first thing they ask me when I see them after being apart for a spell. "How you been doing at the track?"

But times have changed. I haven't been to the "track" more than a handful of times in the past decade. I "handicap" (assess a handful of races) everyday, but only bet when I like a horse.

I have no idea what term they use for me. I guess I kind of view myself as an opportunist. They probably view me as a gambler, though they all know that 99.9% of my action is on horses. Aside from a handful of games that I think got mis-seeded the first Thursday and Friday of the NCAA tournament, every bet I make annually is on a horse race. I haven't touched the NFL in years.

I grew up in a community where a "gambler" was viewed as being a candidate for bankruptcy and homelessness. Even my own father was heartbroken when he discovered my gambling disposition. Consequently, very few people know this side of me...and I never talk about gambling matters when I am with friends and relatives. I've been living a lie for the better part of my life...and I continue to live this lie now...in the hope that my son will not view gambling as some sort of recommendation for his own path in life. It's the price that I've had to pay in order to live the only type of life that ever appealed to me. Some CHOOSE gambling...and others have been CHOSEN by it. I belong with the latter...and I must suffer the consequences in order to enjoy the benefits.

[castaway01]

I grew up in a community where a "gambler" was viewed as being a candidate for bankruptcy and homelessness. Even my own father was heartbroken when he discovered my gambling disposition. Consequently, very few people know this side of me...and I never talk about gambling matters when I am with friends and relatives. I've been living a lie for the better part of my life...and I continue to live this lie now...in the hope that my son will not view gambling as some sort of recommendation for his own path in life. It's the price that I've had to pay in order to live the only type of life that ever appealed to me. Some CHOOSE gambling...and others have been CHOSEN by it. I belong with the latter...and I must suffer the consequences in order to enjoy the benefits.

Almost brought a tear to my eye with that one Thask….the undercover gambler, betting in dark corners of the Internet.

[Tom]

I think I have seen these at another site before....(pace site)

Paceologist

Velociteer

[ubercapper]

I prefer "Magister of Equine Prognostication."

[aaron]

I grew up in a community where a "gambler" was viewed as being a candidate for bankruptcy and homelessness. Even my own father was heartbroken when he discovered my gambling disposition. Consequently, very few people know this side of me...and I never talk about gambling matters when I am with friends and relatives. I've been living a lie for the better part of my life...and I continue to live this lie now...in the hope that my son will not view gambling as some sort of recommendation for his own path in life. It's the price that I've had to pay in order to live the only type of life that ever appealed to me. Some CHOOSE gambling...and others have been CHOSEN by it. I belong with the latter...and I must suffer the consequences in order to enjoy the benefits.

You have chosen a life that appeals to you. You seem very comfortable in your own skin. You are making a living at one of the hardest professions to do so. The word I would use to describe what you are doing is “Winner”.