Phoenix Gold Cup

[46zilzal]

Track is still one of the fastest in North America, just usually does not get the quality of horse to express that but did today. Fractions: 21.64, 43.95, 1:08.02...THAT is smoking. Just be careful when comparing THESE to when the same animals run elsewhere...

[ultracapper]

That's a breezing work out at Emerald Downs

[Clocker]

Track is still one of the fastest in North America, just usually does not get the quality of horse to express that but did today.


You have some sort of prejudice against $3000 claimers, 4 year olds and upward, non-winners of 2 races lifetime? :rolleyes:

[Tom]

Or as we call that at Finger LAkes.....the FEATURE RACE!:cool:

[46zilzal]

I recall, in YEARS gone by, noting a WORK by the ultra-fast Atta Boy Roy who WORKED a little over 1:08 for 6 panels...

I had to contact the DRF to make sure that was reported correctly

[46zilzal]

If you view the history, Old Longacres and Turf Paradise used to own all the sprint US records

[46zilzal]

You have some sort of prejudice against $3000 claimers, 4 year olds and upward, non-winners of 2 races lifetime? :rolleyes:

I make NO differences and there are NO parimutuel differences between a grade on stake and a 4 year old and up maiden claimers.

It is the bet to the logic of form and pace stress reaction. THAT'S it.... in any race I consider wagering upon.

GO where they have some logic and there is a KINK to understanding them and currently MAHONING VALLEY DOWNS is squarely in first place in that regard.

[Clocker]

If you view the history, Old Longacres and Turf Paradise used to own all the sprint US records

Unfortunately, Longacres is long gone, as are the Turf Paradise glory days. The fast track is still there, the fast horses aren't.

Tomorrow, Sunday, TuP has a card of 8 races. The biggest purse is $12,500, and 5 races have purses of under $10,000.

[46zilzal]

Unfortunately, Longacres is long gone, as are the Turf Paradise glory days. The fast track is still there, the fast horses aren't.

Tomorrow, Sunday, TuP has a card of 8 races. The biggest purse is $12,500, and 5 races have purses of under $10,000.

That is what I stated NO Zany Tactics, no Chum Salmon, Twin Sparks (Tup 1:06.49), Chinook Pass (55.1 LGA), Jim's Purchase 6.5 LGA 1: 14 3/5) broken by Sandy Fleet (1:14 2/5), then Turbolater (a fan favorite at Do Dah lowered it to 1:14 flat), Zip Pocket (TuP 1:07 2/5), Grey Papa (Tup 1:06 45/), Grand Coulee Dam (LGA 6.5f 1:13 4/5), Willie the Cat (LGA 5 5 f 1:01 1/5), Sabertooth (6.5 1:13), Lost in the Fog (6.5f TUP 1:13.55), NONE of which are recent.

[GMB@BP]

Unfortunately, Longacres is long gone, as are the Turf Paradise glory days. The fast track is still there, the fast horses aren't.

Tomorrow, Sunday, TuP has a card of 8 races. The biggest purse is $12,500, and 5 races have purses of under $10,000.

thats what happens with a 27% blended takeout rate

[ultracapper]

If you view the history, Old Longacres and Turf Paradise used to own all the sprint US records

LGA was crazy fast, and in the 80s actually had a number of actual quality horses.

I don't know what would have happened had the Gottstein tribe not sold out to Boeing, but the racing at LGA was still pretty good up until 90 or 91 when the sale was announced.

Side note: I can remember parking in the north lot before the sale was announced while engineers were taking dirt samples and conducting other tests. That's when the whispers started.

[cj]

Winner will get about a 116 TimeformUS Speed Figure, and that usually equates to about a 96 Beyer. So as fast as it looks, it really wasn't. Typical listed stakes race.

[46zilzal]

LGA was crazy fast, and in the 80s actually had a number of actual quality horses.

I don't know what would have happened had the Gottstein tribe not sold out to Boeing, but the racing at LGA was still pretty good up until 90 or 91 when the sale was announced.



The family (Gottsteins) owned the track from its inception in the early 1920's...His elderly wife held on as the single owner but, unfortunately, gave more control to the son in law Morrie Alhadeff who "sold them out lock stock and barrel" a few weeks after she died.

THAT SEASON, (the season old Morrie sold out the game and thousands of employees and supporting businesses) the BloodHorse gave Longacres a special award for having, and this was over decades, ONE OF THE LARGEST number of horses per race in all of North America. The handle and attendance were UP (YOU could not get a seat on the weekends thee...I know I tried often) so his not be able to run the track was complete BS!.

Morrie had a shipper come up to Hastings right after the sale and EVERYONE of the other owners, grooms and anyone who knew what was to happen to all those people who were going to have to look elsewhere for employment TURNED THEIR BACK TO HIM EVERY TIME HE APPROACHED THEM. It was a sight to see and an a good one to see the solidarity the racing community had with their equivalent staffers 180 miles to the South in Renton Washington.

In the racing community this lying sack of crap was no longer welcome..

What a WASTE: That old track and the "Do Dah" associated with was as unique in racing as a summer card at Saratoga... The entire crowd at time all sang together, it was nothing to see nuts like Jody Davidson come over to the rail to talk to patrons on the way to the post (and laugh when you know he was going to be fined for it again). The GREAT Baze family was from there. Gary Stevens was the leading rider for many years. Shoe, Laffit and Eddie D used to ship in regularly for the big Mile race as did horses from all over the US...

When it died, NOTHING has replaced Do Dah...NOTHING in all the days I have followed the game and that goes back to the time of Tim Tam. NOTHING like it and probably will not ever be, all with the huge specter of Mt Rainier hovering above the clubhouse turn.. I was there closing day and it was fitting that Gary Stevens came up to ride a winner from his dad's Idaho stable and then fans rushing out to scoop up some dirt from the stretch as a souvenir.

IF you missed Longacres, you really missed SOMETHING UNIQUE.

[ultracapper]

We're getting off topic here, but I can't help but add a little to the above post. Just for accuracy sake, LGA's inaugural season was 1935, but aside from that, the above post relating the ownership situation is accurate. Old Joe Gottstein, the founder of the track, passed in the mid 70s, and his wife Luella held on to her death in the early 90s. Morrie Alhadeff, the aforementioned Son In Law, operated the track for the family, until the chunk of money Boeing offered for the land ($94,000,000) was just too much to walk away from. Boeing had coveted the land for a decade or more as they already had a massive test and manufacturing facility less than 5 miles away and was badly in need of office space. To be fair, the politics in Washington were changing, the state lottery was in full swing, the Indian tribes were flexing their considerable muscle and demanding the right to open casinos, and the horse racing industry was beginning to show the cracks that have become festering sores today. Longacres had been given special tax incentives since it's inception, but their friends in Olympia were getting old and either retiring or passing on. The money was just too good and the environment too shaky for Morrie to hold out any longer. He only held out as long as he did due to the demands of his Mother In Law.

[46zilzal]

So he sold out a phenomenon for pieces of silver
BOEING did not even use it

[ultracapper]

Boeing most certainly has developed it, and staffed it to the tune of about 8,000 jobs.