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Half Smoke
05-15-2019, 06:52 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/15/i-train-racehorses-france-they-live-long-love-their-jobs/?utm_term=.eca43810f03e

https://i.imgur.com/8PJEZtl.png

Scanman
05-15-2019, 04:25 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/15/i-train-racehorses-france-they-live-long-love-their-jobs/?utm_term=.eca43810f03e

https://i.imgur.com/8PJEZtl.pngAfter seeing the training center and racecourse at Maisons-Laffitte, I can understand why she would rather train there than here in the US.

Fager Fan
05-16-2019, 10:49 AM
The purses stink in France so it's not all that.

the little guy
05-16-2019, 09:15 PM
The purses stink in France so it's not all that.



I don't know if this is accurate ( don't get all upset....please ). The Stakes purses are not great overall, but the mid level purses are decent. I wonder if you are thinking about England.

I was reading about this in the Racing Post just the other day. If I can find the article, I will post the link.

the little guy
05-16-2019, 09:22 PM
It was in Thoroughbred Racing Commentary. Look under reason 3....


https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/articles/can-persian-king-start-french-fightback/

Afleet
05-16-2019, 09:37 PM
their food is better

taxicab
05-17-2019, 01:58 AM
That Sea-Bird was a stone cold runner.

Fager Fan
05-19-2019, 11:52 AM
I don't know if this is accurate ( don't get all upset....please ). The Stakes purses are not great overall, but the mid level purses are decent. I wonder if you are thinking about England.

I was reading about this in the Racing Post just the other day. If I can find the article, I will post the link.

Come on! Everyone knows how GREAT things are in England! Isn't that why our racing is always talked about like the red-headed stepchild?

I was going on past horses we had that raced there. The purses stunk compared to here. Add in having to speak French or try to understand English with a French accent, and I couldn't find good justification for being over there.

the little guy
05-19-2019, 10:20 PM
It can't be just me. It can't.

Fager Fan
05-20-2019, 08:30 AM
It can't be just me. It can't.

What exactly do you think can’t be just you?

Was my sarcasm about how great it is in Europe while we’re always so horrible undetected? Or my humor about my inability to understand well French or heavy French accents?

The purses are bad in Europe. That’s my opinion. Not that I’m particularly happy that our purses are a result of subsidies instead of a thriving sport.

the little guy
05-20-2019, 08:54 AM
What exactly do you think can’t be just you?

Was my sarcasm about how great it is in Europe while we’re always so horrible undetected? Or my humor about my inability to understand well French or heavy French accents?

The purses are bad in Europe. That’s my opinion. Not that I’m particularly happy that our purses are a result of subsidies instead of a thriving sport.

Shockingly you reacted badly when someone proved you were wrong about something you said. Tough game to play if you cry every time you are wrong.

Fager Fan
05-20-2019, 09:49 PM
Shockingly you reacted badly when someone proved you were wrong about something you said. Tough game to play if you cry every time you are wrong.


You really think you proved me wrong quoting some article pointing to how great the purses are in France when 4 claimers, 2 handicaps and 2 G2s gave away a total of $188,000 euros ($209,922)?

Recent G2s in America:
Dixie - $250,000
American Turf - $400,000
Distaff Turf Mile - $400,000
Sheepshead Bay - $194,000

Recent Belmont 2 allow & 4 claimers:
$45,000
$33,000
$28,000
$50,000
$70,000
$68,000
Total: $294,000

Recent CD 2 allow & 4 claimers:
$27,000
$48,000
$25,000
$39,000
$87,000
$87,000
Total: $313,000

Taking the lowest 2 G2 purses and the lowest combined claimers/allows, and we have a total of $738,000.

So $209,000 versus $738,000. I do not stand corrected.

the little guy
05-20-2019, 10:10 PM
Get a rattle.

Fager Fan
05-21-2019, 12:15 AM
Get a rattle.

Get a clue.

horseplayer
05-21-2019, 12:38 AM
Keep in mind in Europe they don't race as much - they also race on grass -more breakdown on dirt.

Hambletonian
05-21-2019, 03:26 AM
It is hard to compare US racing versus the UK and France. For one thing, nobody is racing in the UK to make money. It is a sport, plain and simple, the purses are way too low to even consider it as a capitalistic venture. The purses in France are higher than the UK for sure, but once again, it is pretty hard to envision a scenario where you can expect to turn a profit.

In the US, you can make money with any level horse if you are fortunate enough. However, being able to claim a horse, drop it down, get it claimed and still turn a profit has led to a scenario where it looks like a good percentage of the equine athletes are for rent rather than for sale. Where back in the day you would see horses given 2-4 month breaks every year or so, today it is more likely to see a horse just continuously dropping in class in order to compete. In addition, the number of conditioned races abroad make jamming a horse way more difficult than it is here via claiming races.

bobphilo
05-21-2019, 07:23 AM
It was in Thoroughbred Racing Commentary. Look under reason 3....


https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/articles/can-persian-king-start-french-fightback/

Excellent article. Thanks Andy. :ThmbUp:

Tom
05-21-2019, 09:32 AM
their food is better

Real horseplayers don't eat quiche! :D

Fager Fan
05-21-2019, 03:54 PM
Real horseplayers don't eat quiche! :D

Or Foie Gras.

clicknow
05-23-2019, 09:44 AM
Real horseplayers don't eat quiche! :D

No they eat all the other garbage handed to them by the industry including high take out, lack of medical and veterinary information about horses they are wagering on, etc. How are we guinea pigs, let me count the ways...yet we have to endure temper tantrums and "woe is me" dramas by billionaire owners and then find out top trainers (who are also wealthy) don't even pay their help fairly.

It's become a tragic comedy.