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MSNBC’s Ali Velshi dropped one righteous rant on Thursday, chastising Republicans and the president for running on protecting people with pre-existing conditions. The MSNBC newscaster called out the GOP as liars, and said anyone who believed them probably believes the moon landing was faked.
“President Trump has asked Americans to forget the last eight years of the health care debate,” Velshi said of Trump’s claims that it is his party, and not the Democrats, who will protect healthcare. “That would be a lie. Hashtag lie alert.”
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“Dismantling Obamacare has been a central tenet for both President Trump and the GOP,” he said. “Republicans in congress have voted 70 times to repeal protections for people with pre-existing conditions.” He then cut to several ads placed by Republicans in which candidates pointed to their nonexistent record of standing up for people with pre-existing conditions. He also cautioned that their lies just might work.
“26% of people think that Republicans are going to protect pre-existing conditions. I don’t know how the number is that big,” he said. “I guess about 23% of the people believe that Barack Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim so it’s about 3% more than that. And I guess about 23% of people believe in UFOs.”
https://youtu.be/rkZJVf8nZF8
Unsubstantiated opinion by a hack on a joke of a channel.
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Unsubstantiated opinion by a hack on a joke of a channel.
Brought to you by Obsession. :lol::lol::lol:Not opinion Rethugs lie as do you MR fact-free hack Tom
Clocker
10-25-2018, 05:33 PM
“Dismantling Obamacare has been a central tenet for both President Trump and the GOP,” he said. “Republicans in congress have voted 70 times to repeal protections for people with pre-existing conditions.”
ObamaCare was the first federal program to deal with pre-existing conditions. It did so by loading the burden on a relatively small group of young and healthy people by force of the individual mandate. Before ObamaCare, pre-existing conditions were covered by the states, generally though state-run high-risk pools.
The Republicans did not vote to repeal protections for people with pre-existing conditions, they voted to kill a monster program that included a bad method to cover such conditions. The GOP intended to replace ObamaCare with a better program, and there is no evidence that such a replacement program would not deal with the pre-existing condition issue.
FantasticDan
10-25-2018, 05:42 PM
The GOP intended to replace ObamaCare with a NON-EXISTANT program, and there is no evidence that such a NON-EXISTANT program would not deal with the pre-existing condition issue.
FTFY :ThmbUp:
Greyfox
10-25-2018, 05:55 PM
MSNBC’s Ali Velshi dropped one righteous rant on Thursday, chastising Republicans and the president for running on protecting people with pre-existing conditions.
Velshi is a smart guy but his opinions on Medicare have been distorted by Canadian socialist thinking.
delayjf
10-25-2018, 06:28 PM
The GOP intended to replace ObamaCare with a NON-EXISTANT program, and there is no evidence that such a NON-EXISTANT program would not deal with the pre-existing condition issue.
And whose fault is that?
elysiantraveller
10-25-2018, 06:33 PM
ObamaCare was the first federal program to deal with pre-existing conditions. It did so by loading the burden on a relatively small group of young and healthy people by force of the individual mandate. Before ObamaCare, pre-existing conditions were covered by the states, generally though state-run high-risk pools.
The Republicans did not vote to repeal protections for people with pre-existing conditions, they voted to kill a monster program that included a bad method to cover such conditions. The GOP intended to replace ObamaCare with a better program, and there is no evidence that such a replacement program would not deal with the pre-existing condition issue.
Problem is there is no evidence a replacement program exists... that's the unsettling part and where Democrats are claiming high ground at the moment.
Could've just expanded medicaid with a state-based premium program like Paul Ryan suggested a decade ago... but no... :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Buckeye
10-25-2018, 07:45 PM
It's nice to know somebody cares.
Unbelievable.
Clocker
10-25-2018, 08:53 PM
Problem is there is no evidence a replacement program exists... that's the unsettling part and where Democrats are claiming high ground at the moment.
Which is why the Republicans have not made any effort to repeal ObamaCare after taking power. It's easy to coach from the grandstands, hard when you get on the field. And Trump's promise to repeal it and replace it with something terrific was equally empty.
But none of that means that the Republicans plan to abolish help for those with pre-existing conditions. And anyone that says so is nuts, and totally ignorant of politics. The politicians know, as with any federal benefit, once people get something, it is considered a Constitutional right to keep it. As Reagan said, there is nothing on this earth closer to eternal life than a government program.
elysiantraveller
10-25-2018, 09:09 PM
Which is why the Republicans have not made any effort to repeal ObamaCare after taking power. It's easy to coach from the grandstands, hard when you get on the field. And Trump's promise to repeal it and replace it with something terrific was equally empty.
But none of that means that the Republicans plan to abolish help for those with pre-existing conditions. And anyone that says so is nuts, and totally ignorant of politics. The politicians know, as with any federal benefit, once people get something, it is considered a Constitutional right to keep it. As Reagan said, there is nothing on this earth closer to eternal life than a government program.
Well they are waiting on rulings regarding the pre existing conditions stuff. If struck down the GOP has to have a replacement because at that point people WILL lose coverage and that would be political suicide... not that its stopped them so far.
Buckeye
10-25-2018, 09:13 PM
Which is why the Republicans have not made any effort to repeal ObamaCare after taking power. It's easy to coach from the grandstands, hard when you get on the field. And Trump's promise to repeal it and replace it with something terrific was equally empty.
But none of that means that the Republicans plan to abolish help for those with pre-existing conditions. And anyone that says so is nuts, and totally ignorant of politics. The politicians know, as with any federal benefit, once people get something, it is considered a Constitutional right to keep it. As Reagan said, there is nothing on this earth closer to eternal life than a government program.
Two words,
John McCain
Buckeye
10-25-2018, 09:17 PM
Me, I voted for him but not because of him.
I try and gauge character.
Usually, it's not that hard.
Velshi is a smart guy but his opinions on Medicare have been distorted by Canadian socialist thinking.The rest of the industrialized world uses a combination of socialism and private maarkets to deal with healthcare better than the US for less money per capita
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/press-release/2017/new-11-country-study-us-health-care-system-has-widest-gap-between-people-higher
Paying More for Less
Despite having the most expensive health care, the United States ranks last overall among the 11 countries on measures of health system equity, access, administrative efficiency, care delivery, and health care outcomes. While there is room for improvement in every country, the U.S. has the highest costs and lowest overall performance of the nations in the study, which included Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom. The U.S. spent $9,364 per person on health care in 2016, compared to $4,094 in the U.K., which ranked first on performance overall.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/sites/default/files/___media_images_news_2017_mm_table.jpg
https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/health-care-spending-in-the-united-states-selected-oecd-countries_chart03.gif?w=626&h=367&zoom=2
Rpthugs held back the only chance for Obama to pass single payer and voted to repeal the ACA.....
Reminder: The House Voted to Repeal Obamacare More Than 50 Times
http://time.com/4712725/ahca-house-repeal-votes-obamacare/
And now that health care is on everuyones mind and Obamacare is more poular than ever, the lying rethugs are trying to claim they were the "good guy" all along
Despicable POS party
Velshi is 100% right
davew
10-26-2018, 10:18 AM
the dims do not understand why the healthcare costs are high in USA.
chadk66
10-26-2018, 12:06 PM
the dims do not understand why the healthcare costs are high in USA.
Not surprising. I’m anxious for the graph on where we fall on diseases cured. That’s actually what really matters
ReplayRandall
10-26-2018, 01:44 PM
Not surprising. I’m anxious for the graph on where we fall on diseases cured. That’s actually what really matters
Very true Chad, and once Trump gets really tough with Big Pharma, we may finally see new cures, which have been shelved for years, actually coming into existence....The days of Big Pharma buying patents of possible cures and hiding them away so they could continue pilfering the public with BS maintenance drugs, may finally be coming to an end.
Very true Chad, and once Trump gets really tough with Big Pharma, we may finally see new cures, which have been shelved for years, actually coming into existence....The days of Big Pharma buying patents of possible cures and hiding them away so they could continue pilfering the public with BS maintenance drugs, may finally be coming to an end.Rethugs voted to repeal Obamacare almost 70 times
And now they claim the are for keeping protection for pre-exising conditions as the midterms arrive.
Lyin' SOBs
There was no rethug discussion of pre-existying conditionsb as they aimed to destroy the only existing policy that supported it.
Don't think Chumpy if he and the sick rethugs repealed it, would have curtailed big Pharma. I doubt it.
GOP Took $204 Million from Big Pharma, Insurance Giants Since 2010
Troubled Obamacare repeal plan raises new questions over special interest influence
By Edmund Kozak | Tuesday, March 7, 2017
https://www.lifezette.com/2017/03/gop-took-204-million-big-pharma-insurance-giants-since-2010/
As conservatives express frustration that the House GOP’s Obamacare reform plan doesn’t address key campaign promises opposed by Big Pharma and insurance giants, new attention is likely to be paid to the massive investments these special interests make in order to curry Republican influence on Capitol Hill.
At least McCain blocked Trump and his lyin SOBs
A wise man once said, "Trump! Git'n R Done!":ThmbUp::ThmbUp:
A wise man once said, "Trump! Git'n R Done!":ThmbUp::ThmbUp:That questionable "wise-man"
is as fact free as you are.
It WAS me!
Pay attention! :pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:
Maybe they will come with a drug to cure your obsession!
It WAS me!
Pay attention! :pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:
Maybe they will come with a drug to cure your obsession!You are a wise ass, not man
chadk66
10-26-2018, 04:26 PM
Rethugs voted to repeal Obamacare almost 70 times
And now they claim the are for keeping protection for pre-exising conditions as the midterms arrive.
Lyin' SOBs
There was no rethug discussion of pre-existying conditionsb as they aimed to destroy the only existing policy that supported it.
Don't think Chumpy if he and the sick rethugs repealed it, would have curtailed big Pharma. I doubt it.
GOP Took $204 Million from Big Pharma, Insurance Giants Since 2010
Troubled Obamacare repeal plan raises new questions over special interest influence
By Edmund Kozak | Tuesday, March 7, 2017
https://www.lifezette.com/2017/03/gop-took-204-million-big-pharma-insurance-giants-since-2010/
As conservatives express frustration that the House GOP’s Obamacare reform plan doesn’t address key campaign promises opposed by Big Pharma and insurance giants, new attention is likely to be paid to the massive investments these special interests make in order to curry Republican influence on Capitol Hill.
At least McCain blocked Trump and his lyin SOBsi cannot fathom the mental midgetry involved in thinking you need Obamacare to cover pre existing conditions
i cannot fathom the mental midgetry involved in thinking you need Obamacare to cover pre existing conditionsThe mental midgetry is the official policy of the rethugs. They were hot to repeal but always come up short on replace.
Name one official replacement offered
chadk66
10-26-2018, 05:13 PM
The mental midgetry is the official policy of the rethugs. They were hot to repeal but always come up short on replace.
Name one official replacement offeredi don’t give a shit about replacing it. I never wanted a replacement for it. I want gov the hell out of the insurance business.
sammy the sage
10-26-2018, 09:03 PM
the dims do not understand why the healthcare costs are high in USA.
Well the BIGGER problem is...the republicans DO......they had 4yrs with TOTAL control under Bush and 2 years with Trump and DID absolutely NOTHING to help the middle/lower class at ALL with THIS problem....:rant::puke:
Clocker
10-26-2018, 09:34 PM
Well the BIGGER problem is...the republicans DO......they had 4yrs with TOTAL control under Bush and 2 years with Trump and DID absolutely NOTHING to help the middle/lower class at ALL with THIS problem....:rant::puke:
Total control means 60 or more Senators. The Republicans have not had that since forever, the Dems had it for a very brief time under Obama and used it to pass ObamaCare. It is pointless to attempt a repeal of ObamaCare without 60 Senators.
Total control means 60 or more Senators. The Republicans have not had that since forever, the Dems had it for a very brief time under Obama and used it to pass ObamaCare. It is pointless to attempt a repeal of ObamaCare without 60 Senators.The ACA wasn't easy to pass eiither.
It only came about because the 2 independent Senators were convinced.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/111th_Congress_1st_session_Senate_roll_call_396.sv g/600px-111th_Congress_1st_session_Senate_roll_call_396.sv g.png
Senate vote by state.
Democratic yes (58)
Independent yes (2)
Republican no (39)
Republican not voting (1)
But the rethugs major replacement was a dud, and maybe that is why no one liked it.
A side-by-side comparison of Obamacare and the GOP’s replacement plans
http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obamacare-repeal/
The revised version of the Better Care Reconciliation Act (BCRA) maintains much of its original structure and intent. Like the House legislation, the Senate Republican bill introduced in June will produce major losses in insurance coverage that will mostly affect low- and moderate-income Americans, according to the CBO’s analysis of the bills. The centerpiece of the Senate bill is a series of major reductions in federal aid for poor Americans who rely on Medicaid and for consumers who currently qualify for federal subsidies to help them buy private health insurance through the Obamacare marketplace.
The CBO estimated that under the House bill, 23 million fewer people would have insurance over the next decade. The estimate is 22 million for the previous Senate version.
When John McCain voted no, it was no on REPEAL. That famous no was due to McCain's grievances with the lack of scrutiny and lack of bipartisanship surrounding the bill. His vote was a vote against "mindless partisanship."
His vote was also due to it was a REPEAL only, without out a replacement.
Regardless of how "easy" it was going to be.
Chumpy and the repugs failed to produce and NOW THE WANT TO CLAIM THEY WERE ALWAYS for protecting it's major provision of protecting pre-existing conditions
:eek::eek::eek:
https://youtu.be/R-VTbt-i_b4
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1055949030105210880
chadk66
10-27-2018, 08:06 AM
Prior to Obamacare the states controlled their insurance regulations. Still do for the most part. Why do the blue states give a shit about what the feds do. Implement their no pre existing condo limitations themselves.
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