Horse Racing at Penn and Parx

[turfnsport]

View From The Eighth Pole: Making The Public’s No. 1 Cause Our Cause

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/view-from-the-eighth-pole-making-the-publics-no-1-cause-our-cause/

Anyone wagering on garbage tracks like Penn and Parx really should have their head examined.

https://youtu.be/DgzRdp33FF8

[Elkchester Road]

Just a few of the myriad of reasons contraction can't come soon enough. It also says a lot about the owners and trainers who race at these shitholes.

[Redbullsnation]

The first clip is ridiculous but the second and third doesn't have much there IMO...

[bobphilo]

The first clip is ridiculous but the second and third doesn't have much there IMO...

Look at the clip again. According to the article:

"The final incident is from Sunday, Oct. 7, in the second race at Parx Racing. Georgia Bonnet, a 4-year-old filly making her 23rd career start, was racing just off the rail at the top of the stretch and began to lug in. Jockey Tyrone Carter switched the whip to his left hand and, according to Equibase footnotes, “hit Georgia Bonnet repeatedly on the left side of her head through deep stretch.”

[camourous]

The number one problem in the game is the jockeys, things like this happen at every track, these weren't even bad

[Thomas Roulston]

Just a few of the myriad of reasons contraction can't come soon enough. It also says a lot about the owners and trainers who race at these shitholes.


But a large part of what makes them "shitholes" are antiquated facilities and track designs. Arlington, Gulfstream and Laurel with their super-wide turf courses, allowing many different distances to be run, are the future. Parx and Penn National are the past.

[castaway01]

But a large part of what makes them "shitholes" are antiquated facilities and track designs. Arlington, Gulfstream and Laurel with their super-wide turf courses, allowing many different distances to be run, are the future. Parx and Penn National are the past.

Can you explain what the construction of a track's turf course has to do with jockeys repeatedly whipping horses in the face while they are being eased?

[Thomas Roulston]

Can you explain what the construction of a track's turf course has to do with jockeys repeatedly whipping horses in the face while they are being eased?


I never said it did. But outdated tracks create a depressing environment for everyone - patrons (i.e., bettors), horsemen, and jockeys. This observation has often been made about Aqueduct, which is nowhere near the worst offender in this regard.

[elhelmete]

But a large part of what makes them "shitholes" are antiquated facilities and track designs. Arlington, Gulfstream and Laurel with their super-wide turf courses, allowing many different distances to be run, are the future. Parx and Penn National are the past.

This is nonsensical, sorry.

[castaway01]

I never said it did. But outdated tracks create a depressing environment for everyone - patrons (i.e., bettors), horsemen, and jockeys. This observation has often been made about Aqueduct, which is nowhere near the worst offender in this regard.

Dreary racetracks and narrow turf courses have nothing to do with jockeys mistreating horses. Nothing.

[Jeff P]

Anybody know if disciplinary action has been taken by the stewards or the Pennsylvania Racing Commission?

Have any of the riders involved been suspended or fined?



-jp

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[Maximillion]

Parx puts out some good betting races pretty consistently.I have not done well there overall but thats my problem.
The cards at Penn are often bad....there are a lot of horses there that seem to be in a zombie-like state,but I have had better luck there and do not see it (or Parx) as a bad track to play at all like many other seem to do.

[Elkchester Road]

But a large part of what makes them "shitholes" are antiquated facilities and track designs. Arlington, Gulfstream and Laurel with their super-wide turf courses, allowing many different distances to be run, are the future. Parx and Penn National are the past.

Completely agree with what you said. There are other reasons why they are shitholes, but your assessment is spot on.

[Tom]

Dreary racetracks and narrow turf courses have nothing to do with jockeys mistreating horses. Nothing.

FL, Pen ard P{RX are my best tracks to play.

But any jock who whip a horse in the face should never be allowed to ride again.

That is inexcusable.

And any vet who lets a horse fall down and then race should lose his license.

[CheckMark]

This is what I tried to post in another thread before about whipping.

[elhelmete]

But a large part of what makes them "shitholes" are antiquated facilities and track designs. Arlington, Gulfstream and Laurel with their super-wide turf courses, allowing many different distances to be run, are the future. Parx and Penn National are the past.

yeah the crowd and racing at Arlington are exemplary.
:D:D:D

[proximity]

to the pen racing illuminati,

it is your long time tolerance of ridiculous and common sense defying statistics and situations that leave our track, players, horsemen, and hell; now even our beautiful turf course open to ridiculous attacks like this thread. it is YOUR apathy that destroyed any reputation that pen had or could have developed in the slots era. i'm viewed as a "bad guy" through your rose-colored glasses but in truth I've defended our "shithole" as much as if not more than I've "attacked" it. it is just tired though.


---proximity

[Elkchester Road]

to the pen racing illuminati,

it is your long time tolerance of ridiculous and common sense defying statistics and situations that leave our track, players, horsemen, and hell; now even our beautiful turf course open to ridiculous attacks like this thread. it is YOUR apathy that destroyed any reputation that pen had or could have developed in the slots era. i'm viewed as a "bad guy" through your rose-colored glasses but in truth I've defended our "shithole" as much as if not more than I've "attacked" it. it is just tired though.


---proximity


As the poster who referred to Penn National as a "shithole" I, of course, meant no offense toward you or any fan/patron of the venue. But...it is what it is. When was the last time ANYTHING positive was reported from this racetrack??? Anything at all. There is no need to attempt to rehash all of the negative that has been reported over the decades.

Case in point...Last Thursday, 10/4/18, I watched the 7th race from PEN while watching and wagering on Remington Park. As the two dueling leaders were approaching the finish in this sprint, they bumped once...then right before the wire the inside horse seriously bumped the outside horse. Inside horse wins by a nose. There was no inquiry. After about 2 minutes it is announced that there has been "a rider's claim of foul" against the winner. It took a hell of a lot less time to announce there would no change to the order of finish than it did to announce the jockey's objection. If the Stewards were viewing the finish of the race during that time it took to announce the objection, why wasn't the inquiry posted? It is a matter of opinion whether or not there should have been a change...but it is not a matter of opinion that the racing product there is conducted half-assed. It is impossible for EVERYBODY involved in conducting the racing there to be that clueless...so, doesn't it make it pretty much intentional?

[proximity]

no offense taken elkchester road. :)

my main point was that "our" reputation as a juice pit leaves us easy targets for threads like this and stuff that probably happens at every track if you look hard enough.

I always kinda seemed stuck in the middle here at pa.

I would defend the place against accusations I thought were baseless but was also very anti-juice which apparently management and certain factions (that I call pen racing illuminati) didn't like?

[jay68802]

no offense taken elkchester road. :)

my main point was that "our" reputation as a juice pit leaves us easy targets for threads like this and stuff that probably happens at every track if you look hard enough.

I always kinda seemed stuck in the middle here at pa.

I would defend the place against accusations I thought were baseless but was also very anti-juice which apparently management and certain factions (that I call pen racing illuminati) didn't like?

Penn earned it's reputation. And deservedly so. Juicing, drug violations, false workout times, ect. What have they done to try and reverse this? Nothing. Stuff like this keep happening, and keeps the reputation where it should be, at the bottom.

[Redboard]

My only problem with this thread is lumping Penn and Parx together.

[TonyK@HSH]

Penn earned it's reputation. And deservedly so. Juicing, drug violations, false workout times, ect. What have they done to try and reverse this? Nothing. Stuff like this keep happening, and keeps the reputation where it should be, at the bottom.

How can anyone say 'nothing' has changed at Pen. Totally uninformed statement. The regulatory environment at Pen is intense and includes such measures as 'random' barn searches and out of competition testing. The racing commission routinely inspects the jocks room and monitors jocks weighing out nearly every race.

If a trainer works a horse and the clocker misses the work, the work is not reported. Period. The trainer needs to work the horse again on another day.

The environment is unlike any other in the mid-atlantic region. I don't believe any jurisdiction runs a tighter ship.

Are these measures published? Probably not. Why would they be?


TonyK

[turfnsport]

How can anyone say 'nothing' has changed at Pen. Totally uninformed statement. The regulatory environment at Pen is intense and includes such measures as 'random' barn searches and out of competition testing. The racing commission routinely inspects the jocks room and monitors jocks weighing out nearly every race.

If a trainer works a horse and the clocker misses the work, the work is not reported. Period. The trainer needs to work the horse again on another day.

The environment is unlike any other in the mid-atlantic region. I don't believe any jurisdiction runs a tighter ship.

Are these measures published? Probably not. Why would they be?


TonyK

For me, the ship has sailed. I don't think Penn and Parx could do anything to get me back as a player. And as long as they have this ridiculous 30% and 31% takeout on tris and supers, I'll rail against both tracks at every chance I get.

[jay68802]

How can anyone say 'nothing' has changed at Pen. Totally uninformed statement. The regulatory environment at Pen is intense and includes such measures as 'random' barn searches and out of competition testing. The racing commission routinely inspects the jocks room and monitors jocks weighing out nearly every race.

If a trainer works a horse and the clocker misses the work, the work is not reported. Period. The trainer needs to work the horse again on another day.

The environment is unlike any other in the mid-atlantic region. I don't believe any jurisdiction runs a tighter ship.

Are these measures published? Probably not. Why would they be?


TonyK

Why shouldn't this be published? Every where and every way possible? Announcers stating these changes during simulcast, advertise it in the DRF. Tout it any where possible. Either they do not care about their reputation, or the reputation of horse racing in general, or these changes will not stand up to scrutiny. Until they work at changing their reputation, it will stay the same. And that is that they do not care about what people think of their track. That they mistreat and abuse the horses. Cheating with drugs is common and accepted. And the reason for this is because all they want is the money from the casinos.

[Maximillion]

To me the racing at Penn is often bad because of a lack of horses,like many others.Its not a real exciting track to play....but it may be the least suspicious track imo,only speaking for last 6 years or so.

[TonyK@HSH]

For me, the ship has sailed. I don't think Penn and Parx could do anything to get me back as a player. And as long as they have this ridiculous 30% and 31% takeout on tris and supers, I'll rail against both tracks at every chance I get.

Cant argue about the take. I too would avoid those bets if sizeable rebates were not available. But I do believe we are getting a level playing field when it comes to any illegal substances.

[CheckMark]

To me the racing at Penn is often bad because of a lack of horses,like many others.Its not a real exciting track to play....but it may be the least suspicious track imo,only speaking for last 6 years or so.

I have a funny story about penn. I was with my dad the one night and I told him my pick 6 to bet and so he went up to the teller and the girl said “what’s a pick 6?” And my dad was like “is there a pick 6 offered” and she said “no” even though there was a pick 6 payout the following day I checked. I guess in Canada I can’t bet a pick 6???

[turfnsport]

Cant argue about the take. I too would avoid those bets if sizeable rebates were not available. But I do believe we are getting a level playing field when it comes to any illegal substances.

I get HUGE rebates on tris and supers at those two tracks. However, I won't support a track that fleeces horseplayers the way these two tracks do. No horseplayer should.

[TonyK@HSH]

Why shouldn't this be published? Every where and every way possible? Announcers stating these changes during simulcast, advertise it in the DRF. Tout it any where possible. Either they do not care about their reputation, or the reputation of horse racing in general, or these changes will not stand up to scrutiny. Until they work at changing their reputation, it will stay the same. And that is that they do not care about what people think of their track. That they mistreat and abuse the horses. Cheating with drugs is common and accepted. And the reason for this is because all they want is the money from the casinos.

What the track, commission and HBPA have done is create a series of short documentaries that are run during the in-house and simulcast feeds. The documentaries describe the drug testing process and labs, the duties of the various vets on raceday and also the management of foal papers and how they insure that proper horses run.

There is no mention of any problems, just a description of current regulatory processes.