Presque Isle

[Afleet]

Attended the races Sunday and Monday-did crappy betting wise, but not a bad place/racino. Why ins't the Presque Isle Downs Masters a win and your in race for the filly and mare sprint? I thought the field was pretty salty w/Hotshot Anna winning impressively.

[Striker]

It for sure should be a win and you are in for the BC FM Sprint. Informed Decision, Groupie Doll, Musical Romance, Bar of Gold have all won that BC race while also having raced in the PID Masters the same year.

[BMustang]

Presque Isle Downs is a well-kept simulcast horseplayers dream secret.


For years I made an annual trip to Saratoga via Presque Isle, and now simply go to Presque Isle for a couple of weeks. They have the standard race book area, which in fact is not very nice, but the secret is to go to the second floor and play the simulcast races in the restaurant. Because PID runs live late in the afternoon, you literally have the place to yourself, with a plethora of TVs, self-betting machines, and often a live teller.


The waitresses are friendly but not over-bearing, and they have a well rounded menu of snacks and sandwiches, plus bezillion draft beers to choose from.


Hotels in the area are dirt cheap and there are plenty of eateries on the two Erie Pa exits off of Interstate 90. There are also some wonderful Italian restaurants "downtown", about fifteen minutes away.


I highly recommend it. My normal day is an afternoon of simulcast wagering, followed by the PID Daily Double, Pick 3 and early Pick 4, then its off to dinner, if I have not had it at the track.

[letswastemoney]

Sometimes the track has a strong closer bias, and I like Presque Isle more on those days. When it's fair to both speed and closers, it's harder of course.

[ldiatone]

yes a nice place! food not to bad also. would sit inside were the tellers are. when it first opened i walked down early in the afternoon to "grab" a handful of the poly mix just to feel what it was like weird

[Afleet]

Presque Isle Downs is a well-kept simulcast horseplayers dream secret.


For years I made an annual trip to Saratoga via Presque Isle, and now simply go to Presque Isle for a couple of weeks. They have the standard race book area, which in fact is not very nice, but the secret is to go to the second floor and play the simulcast races in the restaurant. Because PID runs live late in the afternoon, you literally have the place to yourself, with a plethora of TVs, self-betting machines, and often a live teller.


The waitresses are friendly but not over-bearing, and they have a well rounded menu of snacks and sandwiches, plus bezillion draft beers to choose from.


Hotels in the area are dirt cheap and there are plenty of eateries on the two Erie Pa exits off of Interstate 90. There are also some wonderful Italian restaurants "downtown", about fifteen minutes away.


I highly recommend it. My normal day is an afternoon of simulcast wagering, followed by the PID Daily Double, Pick 3 and early Pick 4, then its off to dinner, if I have not had it at the track.

thanks; I will do that next time. I went upstairs during the Masters evening card and it was pretty busy and went back downstairs

[jefftune]

My home track. I agree with most of the comments above. Yes, the upstairs is nice since they remodeled it. Great beer selection. I haven't played much this meet - when I see all the short fields I just stay away. I miss the Friday racing they had when it opened - always a good crowd with a fun happy hour vibe out on the patio. But being a racino, they don't care much about the horseplayer. Churchill Downs recently bought it so maybe things will change for the better.

[JohnGalt1]

I like to bet their races.

Last year had rolling pick 4's. Isn't that better than Sucker jackpot bets?


Don't like the high take outs on exotic bets.

[GMB@BP]

I find the synthetic tracks to be more consistent in the bias department than other tracks. What is nice about the tracks that do have synthetic is for the most part its one long meet and you dont have to deal with figuring out dirt and syn for as much.

[TrackingTVG]

I like to bet their races.

Last year had rolling pick 4's. Isn't that better than Sucker jackpot bets?


Don't like the high take outs on exotic bets.

How is rolling pick 4s with horrible pool sizes a good thing?

You seldomly get true value from small pools like that if you have longshots in your p4

[Afleet]

My home track. I agree with most of the comments above. Yes, the upstairs is nice since they remodeled it. Great beer selection. I haven't played much this meet - when I see all the short fields I just stay away. I miss the Friday racing they had when it opened - always a good crowd with a fun happy hour vibe out on the patio. But being a racino, they don't care much about the horseplayer. Churchill Downs recently bought it so maybe things will change for the better.

They gave t-shirts away Sunday and Monday night of Amis Mesa on the front and the names of past winners on the back. I ended up with 2 shirts and a baseball cap for the two days I was there

[mountainman]

After profiling pid's inaugural season for HP magazine, I (literally) never looked back. Meaning that I haven't watched 5 of their races in the last 10 years.

Synthetic racing just doesn't interest me, and , in fact, my oft-stated criticisms of the stuff probably cost me a friend in Michael Dickinson, Tapeta's designer.

I have, however, sometimes wondered if several strong and somewhat off-beat trends I chronicled in that piece have held up over the years.

Amazingly, no front-runner opening more than a length at first call, for instance, held on to win at any sprint distance. My interpretation was that only strong and methodical speeds-the kind that thrive on competition and rarely steal off to loose leads- could win on Tapeta, whereas, quick speeds simply lacked the stamina to win over that synthetic blend.

Something else gradually emerged and sparked an epiphany when I tabulated the impact values and ROI's for various feeder tracks. Shippers from certain small tracks overachieved, while numerous chalks from classier circuits repeatedly ran up the track. The difference was med rules. Horses already racing on Banamine proved lousy bets, but runners not previously administered the medication produced a high ROI.

[Mr.XXX]

After profiling pid's inaugural season for HP magazine, I (literally) never looked back. Meaning that I haven't watched 5 of their races in the last 10 years.

Synthetic racing just doesn't interest me, and , in fact, my oft-stated criticisms of the stuff probably cost me a friend in Michael Dickinson, Tapeta's designer.

I have, however, sometimes wondered if several strong and somewhat off-beat trends I chronicled in that piece have held up over the years.

Amazingly, no front-runner opening more than a length at first call, for instance, held on to win at any sprint distance. My interpretation was that only strong and methodical speeds-the kind that thrive on competition and rarely steal off to loose leads- could win on Tapeta, whereas, quick speeds simply lacked the stamina to win over that synthetic blend.

Something else gradually emerged and sparked an epiphany when I tabulated the impact values and ROI's for various feeder tracks. Shippers from certain small tracks overachieved, while numerous chalks from classier circuits repeatedly ran up the track. The difference was med rules. Horses already racing on Banamine proved lousy bets, but runners not previously administered the medication produced a high ROI.

Sir, the link in your sig doesn't work / has changed, it's now instead(racingnews part deleted):

https://www.moreatmountaineer.com/racing/pattersons-perspective

[Afleet]

After profiling pid's inaugural season for HP magazine, I (literally) never looked back. Meaning that I haven't watched 5 of their races in the last 10 years.

Synthetic racing just doesn't interest me, and , in fact, my oft-stated criticisms of the stuff probably cost me a friend in Michael Dickinson, Tapeta's designer.

I have, however, sometimes wondered if several strong and somewhat off-beat trends I chronicled in that piece have held up over the years.

Amazingly, no front-runner opening more than a length at first call, for instance, held on to win at any sprint distance. My interpretation was that only strong and methodical speeds-the kind that thrive on competition and rarely steal off to loose leads- could win on Tapeta, whereas, quick speeds simply lacked the stamina to win over that synthetic blend.

Something else gradually emerged and sparked an epiphany when I tabulated the impact values and ROI's for various feeder tracks. Shippers from certain small tracks overachieved, while numerous chalks from classier circuits repeatedly ran up the track. The difference was med rules. Horses already racing on Banamine proved lousy bets, but runners not previously administered the medication produced a high ROI.

I think Rivelli has had multiple horses there that opened daylight leads and never looked back

[FantasticDan]

The 3rd race tonight at Presque.. 20/1 :6: closing well late, has a nice big opening along the rail in deep stretch to close into.

Instead, the jock harshly alters the horse to the outside, losing momentum in the process. By the time the horse recovers, the 1/5 :1: has the lead and the race is over. The :6: is 2nd..

Can someone tell me what the :6: jock was thinking?

[Ocala Mike]

Just watched the replay of that PID 3rd race. The leader was tiring and lugging in (what horses normally do in deep stretch). The jock on the :6: did the prudent thing and stayed out of trouble, probably because he had a strong desire to see his wife and children again after the races and to insure a placing.

You lost a bet? Don't blame the jock.

[SharpCat]

The 3rd race tonight at Presque.. 20/1 :6: closing well late, has a nice big opening along the rail in deep stretch to close into.

Instead, the jock harshly alters the horse to the outside, losing momentum in the process. By the time the horse recovers, the 1/5 :1: has the lead and the race is over. The :6: is 2nd..

Can someone tell me what the :6: jock was thinking?

Where was the big opening along the rail in deep stretch that you speak of? You must have missed the 1/5 switch back to his left lead mid stretch and ducking in 3-4 paths :bang:

I do agree that he should have gone inside but in any case he was not beating the 1/5.

[FantasticDan]

Just watched the replay of that PID 3rd race. The leader was tiring and lugging in (what horses normally do in deep stretch). The jock on the :6: did the prudent thing and stayed out of trouble, probably because he had a strong desire to see his wife and children again after the races and to insure a placing.

You lost a bet? Don't blame the jock.
The :5: was the leader in the stretch, and while he was certainly tiring, he was not lugging in. He maintains a straight path through the stretch.

[FantasticDan]

Where was the big opening along the rail in deep stretch that you speak of? You must have missed the 1/5 switch back to his left lead mid stretch and ducking in 3-4 paths :bang:

The big opening along the rail was.. along the rail? There were practically two paths available.

The :1: ducked in well after the :6: had already altered to the outside.

[SharpCat]

The big opening along the rail was.. along the rail? There were practically two paths available.

The :1: ducked in well after the :6: had already altered to the outside.

I do agree he should have went inside at this point. Should he have gone just inside the :5: or all the way down to the rail which is about 3 paths?

https://i.imgur.com/u77xLFu.png

Unless he drops all the way to the rail, he has to choose whether to go inside or outside of the :1: at the 1/16th pole.

https://i.imgur.com/mSMs3y9.png